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Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. (WITH VIDEO!!!!)

Posted By: dizuster

Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. (WITH VIDEO!!!!) - 09/26/12 02:56 AM

Well... after nearly 2 years, my junk is finally ready for it's first passes tomorrow. Looks like the weather is going to hold out, so I'm off to Milan to make some runs.

Few carb tweaks in the morning, and I should be ready to go.

So what do you guys think? Here is the combo...

-All steel, full interior, '62 Plymouth Savoy 4-door (3700lbs with me in it?)
-8 3/4, with a 2.76 gear and a posi
-255/60 M/T Drag Radials
-Old mystery SS style springs with Rancho 9-ways
-727, 9.5" PTC converter, with a trans brake. ~4700 stall under power
-360", 9.2:1, bowl ported '308 castings, 2.02/1.60 valves
-224/218@.050 cam, .500"/.500" on a 114LSA
-750HP carb, converted for E85, sitting on an old torquer 340 intake
....
Oh yeah... and a Borg Warner S475 (75mm/96mm) turbo, with a 1.32 A/R

I'll probably just foot brake it tomorrow, and run it off the WG spring which is around 8~9psi or so. I don't want to break it the first time out... lol

So what do you guys think? I personally think a lot will have to do with how good it hooks. I'm fairly confident that it'll MPH, but the ET is a bit of an unknown.

We'll see tomorrow!
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 03:07 AM

My guess isn't an educated one, just a guess, but I will say 12.50 at 116
Posted By: Blusmbl

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 03:07 AM

11.26 @ 125. Good luck!
Posted By: Twin Turbo Mower

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 04:45 AM

mid to low 12's
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 05:01 AM

Scott if you can get it off the line and out to maybe
100 feet then it'll run a 10.50.... but I really wonder
about hooking that up... if they glue the track(unlikely
on a TNT night)
Posted By: DemonDust

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 05:31 AM

Low 11's, spinning down the track.
Posted By: OUTLAWD

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 01:59 PM

I was hoping to make it out tonight, but I think something may have come up...was looking forward to seeing this thing in action!

I'm guessing 11.7x at 12x spinning

Good luck!
Posted By: 408strokerdart

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 03:41 PM

12.20 @ 116+. Should MPH good with those gears and boost.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 03:57 PM

Scott... what did you do for a hood.... a little hammer
forming to get it back on or will this be a no hood day
Posted By: Dragula

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 05:12 PM

Rear gear is going to kill it...I say 12.8-12.9
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 05:49 PM

No hood for this time out.

BTW... if it doesn't go in the 11's, I'll leave it there for one of you guys to pick up...before the scrap yard gets it... lol
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 06:52 PM

Quote:

No hood for this time out.

BTW... if it doesn't go in the 11's, I'll leave it there for one of you guys to pick up...before the scrap yard gets it... lol




First outings are often more sobering that most figure on.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 07:05 PM

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11.26 @ 125. Good luck!



not a chance. I like the car but lets get real. I'll say maybe 12.50's. I susspect you might be in the high 12's low 13's. You need more gear, not sure how the 4700 stall and turbo is going to act w/ those 2.76 gears. This is basically a mild SB w/ boost. So you might be able to pick up a second off a N/A SB w/ the same build. I had the same basica build w/ a 440, execpt I had headers and 3.91's. With 6psi of boost I knocked almost a second off the et. 12.90 @ 103 to 12.08 @ 114. With 8 It would have probably ran 11.70-80's. I think his main set back is going to be the gearing, good luck and let us know how it runs w/ video of course.
Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 07:07 PM

It should go 11's pretty easy, if it doesn't it will be because of traction, not lack of power or gearing. We went faster with less in my brothers turbo deal. The T6 frame turbo should move plenty of air to get the job done.

Good luck with it! Should surprise some people.
Posted By: OUTLAWD

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 08:13 PM

I've got a smaller cam in my mild NA built 360, ported J heads, stock converter, shift kitted 727, 3.23's and 26" tall tire. Yes its in an Abody, but I race with tools, etc in the car, so I am probably 200# lighter race weight (milan never has the scales on it seems), and run 13.0's in OK air with a best of 12.75 down a mineshaft...from what you've said about it, it pulls harder than a 13 second car...

if you can build boost and get the converter to come up a bit, it will help a TON on the launch..


BTW...kinda killing the sleeper image running with no hood...everyone is gonna see the goods!
Posted By: JAKE68

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 09:27 PM

Take into consideration that he is making over 600 hp at the motor. So figure from there and take away some for the gear and see what you come up with.
Posted By: rapom

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 09:50 PM

I got a 68 charger with a mild stroked 360 (406) edel 800 carb. with 2.94 gears in it. It has a tci 2200 stall which helps me get out of the gate.

Took it to the track once and ran a 13.28, 100 mph using only 1st. and 2nd. gear.

So I would say that he should be able to get into the 11's with his combo, but I think the stall is way to high.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 10:35 PM

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Take into consideration that he is making over 600 hp at the motor. So figure from there and take away some for the gear and see what you come up with.



Sorry I don't see how that motor is making 600hp. Not at 8 psi of boost anyway. If that were the case a person could boost a 400hp mild BB and make 700... That combo w/o boost might make 375 so I'll add 100 for the boost. For 11's he'll need 425 at the rear wheels so figure 510+ at the crank. He has to much converter and not enough gear.
Posted By: JAKE68

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 10:40 PM

This thing had been dynoed and made like 470 at the rear tires, so doing the math not like is real accurate is making around 600+.
Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 10:49 PM

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Quote:

Take into consideration that he is making over 600 hp at the motor. So figure from there and take away some for the gear and see what you come up with.



Sorry I don't see how that motor is making 600hp. Not at 8 psi of boost anyway. If that were the case a person could boost a 400hp mild BB and make 700... That combo w/o boost might make 375 so I'll add 100 for the boost. For 11's he'll need 425 at the rear wheels so figure 510+ at the crank. He has to much converter and not enough gear.



375HP N/A
8# of boost is basically 55% of an atmosphere, 61% if at 9 pounds. We'll take the lower of the 2.

375*1.55 = 581hp theoretically. You said he only needs 510?

Keep in mind this a turbo car, not a super charged car, once its spooled, it's at max boost, gears don't mean much, it actually helps to create a load and spool the turbo faster. He has a brake, and should be launching with boost already built. Its a fairly decent sized turbo, and will move a good amount of air. Now if it was a tiny turbo at 8#, it wouldn't move as much air, and wouldn't make as much power. Thats why the above formula is simply a rule of thumb.
Posted By: Dartin

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 10:50 PM

Scott, regardless of what it runs, HAVE FUN!!! You've got a cool ride and if it doesn't make the number you're looking for .... It will get there.

Randy
Posted By: RobX4406

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/26/12 10:51 PM

475 at the tires, it should go 125ish

et, hooking up and working it like a PG, 11.20

60's night suffer a bit, but it still makes good hp and the tq should be strong with the turbo.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 12:00 AM

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This thing had been dynoed and made like 470 at the rear tires, so doing the math not like is real accurate is making around 600+.



470 at the rear wheels is not 600+ HP otherwise I'd be over 600. I just don't see it in that build sorry. It's a very cool car and I hope it runs great. I just don't see 11's. Boost is boost S/C or turbo'd. The gear is going to hurt a bunch. and again I'm not sure how the converter is going to act w/ the boost and the lazy gear. It's like dropping the hammer at 5k in a pedal car w/ a highway gear, the rpms are going to sink way down, when that happens the boost will drop. I'd think it would run a ton better w/ a 3800 stall and 3.55's. I have a buddy that runs 8's at 160+ in a turbo SB. He runs a 4000 stall and 3.73 gears...and that thing has a 700+ lift cam.
But hey prove me and a few others wrong and go put up the numbers.
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 12:33 AM

Quote:

Quote:

This thing had been dynoed and made like 470 at the rear tires, so doing the math not like is real accurate is making around 600+.



470 at the rear wheels is not 600+ HP otherwise I'd be over 600. I just don't see it in that build sorry. It's a very cool car and I hope it runs great. I just don't see 11's. Boost is boost S/C or turbo'd. The gear is going to hurt a bunch. and again I'm not sure how the converter is going to act w/ the boost and the lazy gear. It's like dropping the hammer at 5k in a pedal car w/ a highway gear, the rpms are going to sink way down, when that happens the boost will drop. I'd think it would run a ton better w/ a 3800 stall and 3.55's. I have a buddy that runs 8's at 160+ in a turbo SB. He runs a 4000 stall and 3.73 gears...and that thing has a 700+ lift cam.
But hey prove me and a few others wrong and go put up the numbers.



Its gotta good converter in it, the RPMs are not going to drop below 5000 most likely. I think the turbo will love the gear ratio and it will run down in the 11s.

With the proper converter gears have little effect on performance on an NA car even.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 12:41 AM

Quote:

This thing had been dynoed and made like 470 at the rear tires, so doing the math not like is real accurate is making around 600+.



That was blowing right through the conv also... it
had alot more in it
EDIT
that was on the old conv
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 12:58 AM

Mr. Yuck. Do you want mustard or catsup with that crow?

Still at Milan. 5th pass, Zero boost launch, 11.30 @ 122 so far on only 8psi. Time to turn up the launch and the boost.

More later.
Posted By: DemonDust

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 01:01 AM

Quote:

Mr. Yuck. Do you want mustard or catsup with that crow?

Still at Milan. 5th pass, Zero boost launch, 11.30 @ 122 so far on only 8psi. Time to turn up the launch and the boost.

More later.



Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 01:07 AM

Quote:

Mr. Yuck. Do you want mustard or catsup with that crow?

Still at Milan. 5th pass, Zero boost launch, 11.30 @ 122 so far on only 8psi. Time to turn up the launch and the boost.

More later.



Good job Scott... I expect at least 4 to 5 tenths
out of it yet... if you hook
Posted By: topfueldart

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 01:27 AM

Quote:

Mr. Yuck. Do you want mustard or catsup with that crow?

Still at Milan. 5th pass, Zero boost launch, 11.30 @ 122 so far on only 8psi. Time to turn up the launch and the boost.

More later.



Nice work.. My 400 rwhp at 3500 lbs race weight went 11.48 @ 120, footbraked as well.
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 01:48 AM

Sneaking up on the launch.

Still on 8psi. 11.06@123. 1.74 60 so far with the last 2psi launch.
Posted By: j.mcconnell

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 02:31 AM

Lol awesome. Some folks here just got a lesson in boost
Posted By: turboplymouth

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 02:46 AM

Awesome! Post up your incrementals when you get time. I tried some non sticky radials this year and went 11.00 @ 130 with the same 60' as you, curious to compare.
Posted By: turboplymouth

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 02:51 AM

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Lol awesome. Some folks here just got a lesson in boost



Yup! I was going to guess 11.00 at 128, but was reluctant to go against the grain, lol.
Posted By: imfixinmopars426

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 02:58 AM

turbo=good
Posted By: 408strokerdart

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 03:01 AM

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Sneaking up on the launch.

Still on 8psi. [Email]11.06@123.[/Email] 1.74 60 so far with the last 2psi launch.



Wow...I wasn't even close. Shows how little I know about boosted applications.
Posted By: B3422W5

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 03:04 AM

Me suck too.... Lol
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 03:43 AM

I think when he gets it on a good track and turns
up the pressure it will run mid 10s... maybe low 10s
Posted By: JAKE68

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 04:07 AM

Nice job Scott!!! Gee i wonder what kind of power it needed to to go 11.0@123 and at 3700lbs????? I think more than just 375.
Posted By: dvw

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 04:12 AM

The kid let me make the last pass of the night.
60 1.6923
330 4.5902
660 7.0379@100.05
1000 9.1752
1320 10.996@123.65
Lots left,I would venture low tens if the traction stays decent. It stays in 1st gear forever. Thought I missed the shift light. Best comment of the night came from the starting line guy at Milan. "Why did you guys turbo the worlds ugliest car?" I told him because he wanted a fast ugly car.
Doug
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 04:38 AM

Quote:

The kid let me make the last pass of the night.
60 1.6923
330 4.5902
660 [Email]7.0379@100.05[/Email]
1000 9.1752
1320 [Email]10.996@123.65[/Email]
Lots left,I would venture low tens if the traction stays decent. It stays in 1st gear forever. Thought I missed the shift light. Best comment of the night came from the starting line guy at Milan. "Why did you guys turbo the worlds ugliest car?" I told him because he wanted a fast ugly car.
Doug



Good job... whats the boost at... what will be the
max boost
Posted By: RonTheAnnouncer

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 04:39 AM

Quote:

The kid let me make the last pass of the night.
60 1.6923
330 4.5902
660 [Email]7.0379@100.05[/Email]
1000 9.1752
1320 [Email]10.996@123.65[/Email]
Lots left,I would venture low tens if the traction stays decent. It stays in 1st gear forever. Thought I missed the shift light. Best comment of the night came from the starting line guy at Milan. "Why did you guys turbo the worlds ugliest car?" I told him because he wanted a fast ugly car.
Doug


That's scootin' and very cool! Love to see a pic of it!
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 04:47 AM

Well... couldn't be happier with my results from the first time out with the car. Had a few issues, but nothing major.

I have the boost controller wiring screwed up, so I couldn't get it to initialize into the launch mode. Hence only running it at 8psi all night.

Also, had a bad connection at the trans brake button that wasted a few passes.

Once I got that fixed, I just kept adding RPM to the starting line, and it kept going quicker and quicker every pass.

It's pulling 1 degree of timing for every pound of boost, and it's only got 30 degree's in it to start. So basically a real conservative 8psi / 22 degree, tune up.

The car is SOOOOOOO easy to drive. As mentioned, it's in first gear FOREVER. Shifts at 5500 rpm, crosses the stripe at like 5200. As smooth of a 10 second pass as you could ever dream of.

I was really hoping it would dip into the 10's, but I never thought it would do it at such low boost. Can't wait to see what it'll do turned up, and with even more RPM/Boost/Timing on the launch.


I'll get some video posted up for you guys tomorrow.
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 04:48 AM

Picture

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Posted By: RobX4406

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 05:25 AM

That's so cool... still looks better than most GM 4 doors! LOL But I like the looks of a 70 Coronet.

It's not real quick in the first 1/8. I'm thinking it's lagging ~.2+ there.

I was close on the MPH, didn't think it would go that well et wise.

Great going for the first time out, sorting out bugs and all.
Posted By: Dartin

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 10:20 AM

That is awesome! Nice numbers too! Glad things went relatively smooth for you. Do I see a "No ET" at Milan in the future???lol

Randy
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 01:26 PM

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That's so cool... still looks better than most GM 4 doors! LOL But I like the looks of a 70 Coronet.

It's not real quick in the first 1/8. I'm thinking it's lagging ~.2+ there.

I was close on the MPH, didn't think it would go that well et wise.

Great going for the first time out, sorting out bugs and all.



I'm sure the 2.76 gear is the problem in the first
half of the track ... the 3.23 or a bit steeper would
help get it rolling... but that 2.76 sure is loaded
to give the turbo some heat... you should have heard
the 3.23 gear that he bought used.... that thing was
SCARY BAD... when he gave me a ride I was really
wondering if we would make it back to my house
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 01:42 PM

Quote:

Mr. Yuck. Do you want mustard or catsup with that crow?

Still at Milan. 5th pass, Zero boost launch, 11.30 @ 122 so far on only 8psi. Time to turn up the launch and the boost.

More later.



good running! I'm glad I was wrong. Don't blow it up.
Posted By: sshemi

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 01:46 PM

Super cool!!!
Whats the specs on the engine?
Posted By: dragram440

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 02:00 PM

Quote:

Quote:

This thing had been dynoed and made like 470 at the rear tires, so doing the math not like is real accurate is making around 600+.



470 at the rear wheels is not 600+ HP otherwise I'd be over 600. I just don't see it in that build sorry. It's a very cool car and I hope it runs great. I just don't see 11's. Boost is boost S/C or turbo'd. The gear is going to hurt a bunch. and again I'm not sure how the converter is going to act w/ the boost and the lazy gear. It's like dropping the hammer at 5k in a pedal car w/ a highway gear, the rpms are going to sink way down, when that happens the boost will drop. I'd think it would run a ton better w/ a 3800 stall and 3.55's. I have a buddy that runs 8's at 160+ in a turbo SB. He runs a 4000 stall and 3.73 gears...and that thing has a 700+ lift cam.
But hey prove me and a few others wrong and go put up the numbers.


I also have a friend small c.i. chevy twin turbo small block, small cam .3.00 gears super tight converter and last time to the track it ran 8.67 letting off around the 1000 ft mark. It used to have a stock short block cast crank rods with forged pistons and at low boost it went 10.20's.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 02:06 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Mr. Yuck. Do you want mustard or catsup with that crow?

Still at Milan. 5th pass, Zero boost launch, 11.30 @ 122 so far on only 8psi. Time to turn up the launch and the boost.

More later.



good running! I'm glad I was wrong. Don't blow it up.



Yuck... isnt your car pressurized(boost)
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 02:18 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Mr. Yuck. Do you want mustard or catsup with that crow?

Still at Milan. 5th pass, Zero boost launch, 11.30 @ 122 so far on only 8psi. Time to turn up the launch and the boost.

More later.



good running! I'm glad I was wrong. Don't blow it up.



Yuck... isnt your car pressurized(boost)




old one was, this one is just a 11:1 6-pack 440. Next one is going to be a 500ci wedge w/ 8-10lbs of boost. Boost is the way to go for sure. Especailly if you drive the car and from the track like me. I'm just not sure if I want to go turbo or centrif supercharger.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 02:22 PM

old one was, this one is just a 11:1 6-pack 440. Next one is going to be a 500ci wedge w/ 8-10lbs of boost. Boost is the way to go for sure. Especailly if you drive the car and from the track like me. I'm just not sure if I want to go turbo or centrif supercharger.



Ok... cause I know you have commented on boost
Posted By: mafo

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 02:24 PM

wow, I know turbos work, but 10 s with that gear
Posted By: RonTheAnnouncer

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 04:07 PM

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Picture


No one in the world would guess that runs high 10s...so far! I love that, my new 2nd favorite car on Moparts!
Posted By: Twostick

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 05:55 PM

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wow, I know turbos work, but 10 s with that gear



Which IMHO proves converter is more important than gear as has been posted here in the past. I think if the converter was tightened up 1000-1200 rpm when he turns up the boost, it will be the ugliest 9 sec car in the world with a 2.76 gear.

Kevin
Posted By: dragram440

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 05:58 PM

Lots of mph with gears like that.
Posted By: OUTLAWD

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 06:19 PM

Planning on bringing it out again anytime soon?
I'd love to check it out, and perhaps pick your brain a little
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 06:30 PM

I don't think the converter is all that far off with the gear. Maybe a few hundred, but certainly not 1000.

You have to remember that if it only stalled 3500 or so under boost, that would have to be down around 2000rpm without boost. It would never spool the turbo at the line.

With the low gear needs it to flash up to near the peak torque to use it up to make the car move.

I'm not so sure the 2.76 gear is killing it all that much. It's not spinning the tires yet, so it'll take more torque (ie. boost). And if it spins with more boost, then the 3.23 gear was only gonna make it spin anyway. Plus it doesn't really want to pull much more then 5500 anyway. Already crossing the stripe at 5200~5300. A little more HP/MPH and it'll be right where it wants to be.

BTW... there is no way that it's going in the 9's at 123mph. Maybe 10.80's if it continues to hook as I turn up the RPM/Boost on the launch. It will definately go in the low 10's with the boost turned up some more though. No doubt about that.

I am actually moving to my new house in a week and a half, so I was lucky my wife was nice enough to let me run it yesterday... lol Maybe after the move towards the end of October I'll get it out again.

Feel free to PM me with any questions.

Amazing what a little boost will do isn't it?
Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. (WITH RESULTS!) - 09/27/12 06:50 PM

Nice numbers, I like ugly fast cars. Congrats!
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. (WITH RESULTS!) - 09/27/12 07:06 PM

That thing has DRAG WEEK written all over it.
Posted By: RV2

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 07:06 PM

That is awesome!!! Congrats!!!!
Posted By: RonTheAnnouncer

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. (WITH RESULTS!) - 09/27/12 07:35 PM

Quote:

That thing has DRAG WEEK written all over it.


Oh, yeah, Hot Rod would love that thing! Or they'd send you to the Car Craft guys.
Posted By: Twostick

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 09:04 PM

Quote:

I don't think the converter is all that far off with the gear. Maybe a few hundred, but certainly not 1000.

You have to remember that if it only stalled 3500 or so under boost, that would have to be down around 2000rpm without boost. It would never spool the turbo at the line.

With the low gear needs it to flash up to near the peak torque to use it up to make the car move.

I'm not so sure the 2.76 gear is killing it all that much. It's not spinning the tires yet, so it'll take more torque (ie. boost). And if it spins with more boost, then the 3.23 gear was only gonna make it spin anyway. Plus it doesn't really want to pull much more then 5500 anyway. Already crossing the stripe at 5200~5300. A little more HP/MPH and it'll be right where it wants to be.

BTW... there is no way that it's going in the 9's at 123mph. Maybe 10.80's if it continues to hook as I turn up the RPM/Boost on the launch. It will definately go in the low 10's with the boost turned up some more though. No doubt about that.

I am actually moving to my new house in a week and a half, so I was lucky my wife was nice enough to let me run it yesterday... lol Maybe after the move towards the end of October I'll get it out again.

Feel free to PM me with any questions.

Amazing what a little boost will do isn't it?



I punched your numbers into a Wallace calculator and if I did it right, came up with 20% converter slippage. That's why I think you might have about a 1000 rpm too much converter. Just seems to me crossing at 5300 is barely off a 4700 converter.

If your combo starts making boost at say 2500-2700 then it should be making more than enough steam to get rolling if you put it against the converter on the trans brake at 3500-3700 rpm. I would think that peak torque would be in that neighborhood.

How much would trap speed increase if you increased converter efficiency by 15% and it still crossed the stripe at 5300?

Kevin
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 09:15 PM

On the 3rd pass I launched the car at 2500 RPM on the 2 step off the trans brake wide open, and it 60' 2.11 LOL. 2500 converter isn't gonna work.

Yes the slip sucks, but something that a lot of turbo guys just live with.

Less slip would be good, could probably balance that out with a touch more gear. But you can't blame the converter for flashing to 5000 (sorry not 4700 as I posted earlier, once I added some fuel it made even more power at 8psi) and not being locked up at 5200 at the stripe.

Thats why I think tightening it up a few hundred RPM would help, but the starting line just can't afford to be lowered 1000. The 2500 launch was just miserable.
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 09:16 PM

Drag week would be great... just need to make sure there are enough E85 stations along the way!
Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 09:36 PM

DZ.

I would think that since you are reserved against changing that combo's converter, why not reach out to a converter specialist and see if they'll sponsor your ride since it should get a fair amount of press soon enough.
You can try a little known trans/converter guy here in Brooklyn that will more than be glad to built you a unit.
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 09:54 PM

Sorry, not against it, just repeating what many turbo guys and converter people have told me already. (I've been having this same discussion for a year since it went on the dyno with 5200 stall and 18% slip)

PTC actually already tightened it up after that once, but they were even hesitant to tighten it up this tight.

I don't think anyone can deny that the slippage is bad. It's trying to make it loose at 300hp, but tight at 600hp that's the hard part for converter companies to do.

We'll see what happens in the future though. Might end up just driving through the converter with more boost, and need to swap from the 9.5" to a 10".
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 10:16 PM

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Sorry, not against it, just repeating what many turbo guys and converter people have told me already. (I've been having this same discussion for a year since it went on the dyno with 5200 stall and 18% slip)

PTC actually already tightened it up after that once, but they were even hesitant to tighten it up this tight.

I don't think anyone can deny that the slippage is bad. It's trying to make it loose at 300hp, but tight at 600hp that's the hard part for converter companies to do.

We'll see what happens in the future though. Might end up just driving through the converter with more boost, and need to swap from the 9.5" to a 10".



why do you think you need so much converter? Is that what was recommended?
Posted By: challengermike

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 10:30 PM

I dont know if it applys here but PTC was able to make my 2004r converter (3,200 stall) spool my turbo up easier. They told me they ported the stator. My little 231 didnt have the torque to get the rpms up to spool it very fast. After they did that it would spool in half the time it did before.
Posted By: Twostick

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 11:18 PM

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On the 3rd pass I launched the car at 2500 RPM on the 2 step off the trans brake wide open, and it 60' 2.11 LOL. 2500 converter isn't gonna work.

Yes the slip sucks, but something that a lot of turbo guys just live with.

Less slip would be good, could probably balance that out with a touch more gear. But you can't blame the converter for flashing to 5000 (sorry not 4700 as I posted earlier, once I added some fuel it made even more power at 8psi) and not being locked up at 5200 at the stripe.

Thats why I think tightening it up a few hundred RPM would help, but the starting line just can't afford to be lowered 1000. The 2500 launch was just miserable.



How much boost does it make like that at launch? I'm just guessing here but I think there would be a big difference between the EGT of an engine running against a 2 step at 2500 and one hitting on all 8 WFO against say a 2500 converter to keep the comparison apples to apples. It takes a load to make boost and I don't see the load being that great using a 2 step to hold 2500 rpm against a 5000 converter.

Kevin
Posted By: Blusmbl

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/27/12 11:20 PM

Just throwing it out there....

anti-lag.
Posted By: Sledge_57

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 12:49 AM

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No one in the world would guess that runs high 10s...so far! I love that, my new 2nd favorite car on Moparts!



I agree but I think it just became my #1 favorite. Can't wait to see this in person...
Posted By: SLOW67

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 01:05 AM

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On the 3rd pass I launched the car at 2500 RPM on the 2 step off the trans brake wide open, and it 60' 2.11 LOL. 2500 converter isn't gonna work.

Yes the slip sucks, but something that a lot of turbo guys just live with.

Less slip would be good, could probably balance that out with a touch more gear. But you can't blame the converter for flashing to 5000 (sorry not 4700 as I posted earlier, once I added some fuel it made even more power at 8psi) and not being locked up at 5200 at the stripe.

Thats why I think tightening it up a few hundred RPM would help, but the starting line just can't afford to be lowered 1000. The 2500 launch was just miserable.




I wish I would have listened to members here when I bought my converter and just held out until I could get the cash for a 9.5. My cars best 60' so far has been a 2.08 and I can only get about 1700rpm out of it before it pushes through the brakes on the two step. It has gone 93-94 mph every pass since I put the two step on it but my ET sucks. Going glide this winter with a 9.5 and a transbrake
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 01:16 AM

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That IS truly beautiful...I love it
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 01:44 AM

Videos! Isn't even trying to spin yet... can't wait to put some more RPM/Boost to this thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BczGjoE8-ps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQqvAQXIKXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZq9uNDMCfU&feature=channel&list=UL
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 01:52 AM

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How much boost does it make like that at launch? I'm just guessing here but I think there would be a big difference between the EGT of an engine running against a 2 step at 2500 and one hitting on all 8 WFO against say a 2500 converter to keep the comparison apples to apples. It takes a load to make boost and I don't see the load being that great using a 2 step to hold 2500 rpm against a 5000 converter.

Kevin



Makes zero boost, and doesn't come up until after 60' for sure.

But you are absolutely correct that I could be doing more then just holding it on the two step at 2500 instead of the converter if it was tighter. I'm sure it would be better then what I saw yesterday. I can play with fuel/timing to get it to spool too lower.

Once the boost is turned up, I might not have any choice but to tighten it up if it's blowing through the converter. Might just be too dang loose under power. I know PTC can make a stater change to help it, they just told me to try it like this first.

We'll see... might just put more cam/gear in it to run more RPM instead... lol
Posted By: RapidusMaximus

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 02:02 AM

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Videos! Isn't even trying to spin yet... can't wait to put some more RPM/Boost to this thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BczGjoE8-ps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQqvAQXIKXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZq9uNDMCfU&feature=channel&list=UL


that, my friends, is crazy...seriously...
Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 02:38 AM

That's cool what were the 60 foot times?

can't believe it goes that well with a 2.76 gear!
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 03:04 AM

1.74 60' on the 11.06 pass
1.69 60' on the 10.99 pass

Just bumped the RPM by 200 on the two step.
Posted By: Twostick

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 04:14 AM

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How much boost does it make like that at launch? I'm just guessing here but I think there would be a big difference between the EGT of an engine running against a 2 step at 2500 and one hitting on all 8 WFO against say a 2500 converter to keep the comparison apples to apples. It takes a load to make boost and I don't see the load being that great using a 2 step to hold 2500 rpm against a 5000 converter.

Kevin



Makes zero boost, and doesn't come up until after 60' for sure.

But you are absolutely correct that I could be doing more then just holding it on the two step at 2500 instead of the converter if it was tighter. I'm sure it would be better then what I saw yesterday. I can play with fuel/timing to get it to spool too lower.

Once the boost is turned up, I might not have any choice but to tighten it up if it's blowing through the converter. Might just be too dang loose under power. I know PTC can make a stater change to help it, they just told me to try it like this first.

We'll see... might just put more cam/gear in it to run more RPM instead... lol



You could try a heavier grade of oil in the trans to tighten it up, but I don't think it would get you a lot. Might tell you if that was the direction to go for cheap tho.
Just speculation but I still think hard against the brake with a 35-3800 converter you will be leaning pretty good on that 8lb spring.

Any chance you can borrow one?

Kevin
Posted By: cudadoug

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 07:03 AM

I'm a "N/A guy" but it seems as though "boost will set you free"!

VERY, VERY impressive!!

I'd like to see a motor pic or two, please.

Looking forward to the next update!

Oh one more thing: Drag Week 2013 is a no brainer.
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 12:15 PM

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Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 12:25 PM

Pssst...No ET Nationals on Oct. 13th...
Posted By: dodger mope

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 01:26 PM

Just looking at your combo its begging for a lower first gear?
Posted By: dragram440

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 01:58 PM

I like how you have the turbo right in the hat. Looks like a simple setup.
Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 03:08 PM

Lighten that B$#ch up and you'll see some good improvements over every thing. Can still keep all the steel and interior to look stock.
Posted By: 6PKRTSE

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 03:17 PM

Very cool build & very impressive times for sure. Can't wait to see this thing sometime. Cannot believe I haven't seen in yet. Boost is the only way to go. Can't wait to get the twins on the Challenger someday.
Posted By: 10secGTX

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 03:57 PM

I love everything about this car ...when you put the hood on its gonna be So badass
Posted By: HardcoreB

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 10:30 PM

!!!
Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/28/12 10:48 PM

1.69 short is pretty dang good with skinny tires and a 2.76 gear.
Thats the same as leaving in second gear with a 4.56 rear!
Posted By: DRAG-ULA

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. (WITH VIDEO!!!!) - 09/29/12 10:29 PM

Congratulations! Thats one helluva first outing. I was following your build thread before the forced induction forum disappeared, very cool. Love the car.
Posted By: gtsdude

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. (WITH VIDEO!!!!) - 09/30/12 03:48 PM

Nice first outing! Congrats! love the car

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Posted By: rickstershemi

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? - 09/30/12 04:00 PM

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Videos! Isn't even trying to spin yet... can't wait to put some more RPM/Boost to this thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BczGjoE8-ps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQqvAQXIKXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZq9uNDMCfU&feature=channel&list=UL



Have loved this car since the first time you posted it.....major congrats....

DON'T EVER PAINT IT

Rickster
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