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When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock

Posted By: SCATPACK 1

When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 04:53 PM

What car and class did the Factory Pro Stock guys run in?
I remember Sox had an awesome 68 Cuda SS/A
Butch Leal ran an equally awesome 65 SS/B Belvedere (And won a couple of races as I recall)
Landy ran a 70 Hemi Challenger in SS/D
But Ican not remember what the other Chrysler Pro Stock racers ran.
What did Vanke Run?
What did Grothear run or had he already retired at this point?
What did Carlton run?
What did Stepp run or did he just park his rig for a while?
Let me know and any pics would be great.
Thanks
Posted By: Steve1118

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 04:59 PM

Stepp stuck it out and ran as a independent. He wasn't a factory car anyway, to the official boycott didn't effect him. He was still successful in IHRA during that time.

Carlton ran his Dart Sport as a B/Altered, and also as an IHRA Pro Stock, and did pretty good. He would bomb the B/A record, and at Columbus a bunch of sportsman guys came to him moaning about him being there. His response was that if they didn't shut up, he'd put the record so low they'd never get it again.

Grotheer had a falling out with Chrysler when they thinned out the number of factory teams. He actually switched to a Ford Pinto for a while, but did not have nearly the success that he was used to.

I can't really remember Vanke staying in it. I think he just sort of semi retired.
Posted By: Locomotion

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 05:07 PM

Don Carlton often ran B/Altered with a Dart and later Dodge Colt.
Posted By: Frito

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 05:43 PM

B Altered

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Posted By: Frito

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 05:53 PM

sdfgs

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Posted By: Frito

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 05:54 PM

IIRC Bob Rice has some of the Jerry Hurley car running B/FX
Posted By: Frito

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 05:58 PM

Riffle in B/G 1975

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Posted By: 23T Hemmee

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 06:28 PM

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Riffle in B/G 1975


I knew somebody was running B/G, couldn't remember who it was, I was running a B/G Austin Healey with an injected Hemi, we ran on the actual class records back then before the index system was initiated, I was running high 9.60's on a 9.56 record, obviously wasn't that competitive, someone in a retired Pro-stocker (probably Riffle) bombed it to a 9.13 in one weekend. Wound up finding a 3.48 crank and moving down to C/G, same thing happened, record got obliterated by over .60, was no way I could compete with a Prostock chassis, even if it had a junk motor. Thats when I sold the car and got into dragboats.....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 06:39 PM

Ronnie in a A/FX Challenger

Posted By: SCATPACK 1

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 06:44 PM

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B Altered




I remember this car from Bristol. First time trial run inPro Stock, they flipped the car over backwards. Forgot to hook up the Wheelie Bars. I can't remember if it was Mr. Stepp or Paul Frost that was there and got so FURIOUS with the driver and who ever else was responsible for this.
Posted By: SCATPACK 1

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 06:50 PM

Frito
That picture of Bill Stepps Colt and His Demon and the Missle, do you know if it was that taken at Lakeland Florida? It looks like the picture of the round track where all of the Pro Stock Cars were pitted for the IHRA Winter Nationals
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 06:51 PM

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What car and class did the Factory Pro Stock guys run in?
I remember Sox had an awesome 68 Cuda SS/A
Butch Leal ran an equally awesome 65 SS/B Belvedere (And won a couple of races as I recall)
Landy ran a 70 Hemi Challenger in SS/D
But Ican not remember what the other Chrysler Pro Stock racers ran.
What did Vanke Run?
What did Grothear run or had he already retired at this point?
What did Carlton run?
What did Stepp run or did he just park his rig for a while?
Let me know and any pics would be great.
Thanks




You are combining 2 classes here , Pro stock didn't come about till 1970 , the cars run in the year prior ran super stock .

but you knew that ...
Posted By: SCATPACK 1

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 06:57 PM

No John, what I was asking about, was regarding the time around 1974 or 1975 that Chrysler actually boy cotted NHRA PRO STOCK and had all of their Factory Pro Stock drivers running in these other classes. While Chrysler was boycotting Pro Stock class at NHRA races.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/17/12 07:23 PM

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No John, what I was asking about, was regarding the time around 1974 or 1975 that Chrysler actually boy cotted NHRA PRO STOCK and had all of their Factory Pro Stock drivers running in these other classes. While Chrysler was boycotting Pro Stock class at NHRA races.




I got confused because you put cars in your original post that never ran pro stock .
Posted By: theraif

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/18/12 01:45 AM

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Ronnie in a A/FX Challenger






where is this car
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/18/12 06:04 AM

The Challenger went from Les Terrel owning the car, to Buddy Abbott here in Gainesville. I got my competition license in the car when it had a BB Chevy crate motor in it that would easily run low nines. The car was very light, weighing less than 2000 lbs. The frame rails were just folded up sheetmetal. It was very dark inside the car as the inside was covered with black velore.



Two weeks after I drove it, it was being backed out of the water cooling area and the front wheel just fell off. The car then had some Strange struts installed. I still have the titanium front end pieces. The car was then sold to a street racer in Ocala, who totaled the car.

Posted By: Frito

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/18/12 01:26 PM

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Frito
That picture of Bill Stepps Colt and His Demon and the Missle, do you know if it was that taken at Lakeland Florida? It looks like the picture of the round track where all of the Pro Stock Cars were pitted for the IHRA Winter Nationals


Indy 1974 when the pro stocks used to pit on the West side of the track in the "pit loop".
Posted By: sixpakdodge

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/18/12 06:26 PM

The chassis under that Challenger was originally Don Carlton's Gold Colt (A Carlton-Hodges piece). Car went to John Zorian, and then was re-bodied as the Challenger for Sox. Note the Mechanic: Clyde Hodges.
Posted By: Frito

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/18/12 08:43 PM

Mike Galewaski pic

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Posted By: Locomotion

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/18/12 10:29 PM

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The chassis under that Challenger was originally Don Carlton's Gold Colt (A Carlton-Hodges piece). Car went to John Zorian, and then was re-bodied as the Challenger for Sox. Note the Mechanic: Clyde Hodges.




Wasn't the gold Colt the one that was stretched and in which he had his fatal accident? I've seen a mid-'70's magazine article and a more recent one that suggested it.

Newer article: http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/thehistoryof/mopp_0605_drag_racing_history/photo_05.html

Not trying to start anything. Just hoping to know what's accurate and keeping it that way for as long as possible. Time often makes it difficult to know if things were reported accurately at the time or if facts surface later.

Where's Stewart???
Posted By: sixpakdodge

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/19/12 04:02 PM

The pic Frito posted is the Roger Denney/Rod Shop car.

While it was long believed that the Gold Colt became the stretched Colt, Mark Panos recently cleared this up on another site.

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After running the AWB Colt for a couple of races with the Gold Colt chassis in it, Donnie and Clyde built a new chassis for it, and the Gold Body was reunited with the Gold frame and went to Kenny Hahn. An easy way to tell the early AWB Colt with the adapted chassis from the later AWB Colt with the purpose built chassis is the location of the rear wheels. The purpose built car had the wheels in a fairly stock location, the adapted chassis had the wheel way to the back. Also, look at the a-pillar roll cage bars between the two cars. You can see the adapter bars to mate the Gold Colt chassis to the AWB body, while the purpose built chassis had the bars tucked up to the a-pillars.


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/19/12 05:49 PM

Talked to my chassis guy who did the work on the Challenger. He was sure it was a rebody also.

I have the spread done in June of 78 on the car in Popular Hotrodding. I can't believe some of what is in the article as it says the car had McPherson struts and wighed over 2200 lbs.

Here is the titanuim front split axles from the car.


This is a picture of the car that was in the PHR article. You can see the axles on both sides of the car, just below the fan blade and just above the bottom of the picture as it goes back towards the coilover shock that is attached to the bracket on the axle. Clearly it does not have struts on it.

Posted By: Locomotion

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 09/19/12 09:27 PM

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The pic Frito posted is the Roger Denney/Rod Shop car.

While it was long believed that the Gold Colt became the stretched Colt, Mark Panos recently cleared this up on another site.

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After running the AWB Colt for a couple of races with the Gold Colt chassis in it, Donnie and Clyde built a new chassis for it, and the Gold Body was reunited with the Gold frame and went to Kenny Hahn. An easy way to tell the early AWB Colt with the adapted chassis from the later AWB Colt with the purpose built chassis is the location of the rear wheels. The purpose built car had the wheels in a fairly stock location, the adapted chassis had the wheel way to the back. Also, look at the a-pillar roll cage bars between the two cars. You can see the adapter bars to mate the Gold Colt chassis to the AWB body, while the purpose built chassis had the bars tucked up to the a-pillars.







Interesting! Thanks.
Posted By: mgpanos

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 04/18/15 12:11 AM

Those titanium suspension pieces were a thing of beauty! As you said, this Allard-type suspension was pretty common with all of the Carlton/Hodges-built chassis. It is very lightweight yet rugged. After Carlton died, Clyde built a couple more cars with this type suspension (I remember seeing an all-fiberglass body Colt on his chassis jig with this suspension in 1980, think I even have a photo), then went to Lamb struts when he built Roy Johnson's Omni/Charger for econo-altered.

Google Allard Suspension and look at images of the Allard cars and you will see how under acceleration the front wheels/tires will remind you of Carlton's B/A Dart.
Posted By: 383man

Re: When Chrysler Boycoted NHRA Pro Stock - 04/18/15 01:37 PM

That was a tuff time for us diehard Mopar lovers who grew up watching Ronnie Sox dominate in Superstock from 1967 to 1970. NHRA really shafted Mopar by added weight to the Hemi because Mopar dominated the first two years of Pro Stock. 1969 was a cool year as NHRA ran a Superstock class called X/SS which was basically heads up Superstock and they ran it because Sox , Landy Jenkins and Dyno Don were sick of running on the breaks in SS and wanted to race in a heads up class so the X/SS class in 1969 was a trail run to Pro Stock to see how the fans liked it and they loved it. I remembr in mid to late 1969 Ronnie Sox ran a 9.92 in his 68 Cuda at an AHRA SS race with the crossram on the Hemi that they had been using since 1964. But when Pro Stock started the Mopar guys realized the crosram intake was hurting them in power compared to the power they could make running a tunnel ram so some Pro Stock races made there own tunnel rams. Thats one reason as soon as Sox & Martin put a tunnel ram type intake on their 70 Cuda they instantly were running a good tenth or two faster the the fastest Chevy in the country (Jenkins) and even more ahead of the Fords who were running the Boss 429 and the 427 Cammer. Which Dyno Don did get this Cammer Maverick to run right with the Hemi's when he had it running good and staying together. 1970 to 1972 was one of the best times ever to be a Mopar fan next to the 1962 to 1966 era of Max Wedges and Hemi's. Don Grother did run a 1971 Road Runner in either A/MP or SS for a few years as I remember Butch Leal drove the Road Runner some for Don. And Butch Leal ran a 1965 Hemi SS car after he boycotted Pro Stock with the other Mopar drivers . And I remember Don Carlton and Sox running IHRA Pro Stock for some time after boycotting NHRA. Ron
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