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World VS INDY alum blocks

Posted By: kens avenger

World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:01 AM

Whats your thoughts on the two??? Quality-Strenth- weekness...have a world block here now (AJ's Bonefish) and I have Indy stuff... I been knocking Indy
.. but after looking at this one and whats happing at KB..think I will stick with Indy
Don't get me wrong its MY OPINION and you know what that gets me in here.. The world block looks nice but the Indy looks stronger to me..Wes put some pic's up of the Indy Block you just got..


one more Thing Mike at... Chenoweth... Very nice.. Finish Hone work bore to skirt is dead on.. need to call you to find out more what was done to this thing

look at the oil pan gasket form my Indy to the world block.

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Posted By: kens avenger

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:02 AM

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Posted By: sgcuda

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:12 AM

Well, all else being equal as far as strength and rigidity, if the oil pan rails becomes the limiting factor as far as stroke, I would stay with the Indy block, if you are planning big cubes.
Posted By: sgcuda

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:13 AM

Now that I see your 3rd pic, doesn't the Indy block have higher webbing in the cam valley?
Posted By: PolyDart

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:14 AM

I just picked up an Indymaxx block through Bob George. Beautiful stuff...













Posted By: kens avenger

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:23 AM

see look at the mains in the indy .. alot more meat.. mine have been cnc'ed out for the dry sump to the outer holes on the oil pan rail.. thats the first look i've had at one thats not cnc'ed.. and yes the ribs are bigger in the indy.. thanks for the INDY pic's ab7fh
Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:31 AM

Here is a few pics. I give the strength to the Indy block, I have had no issues with it.


Cast Iron World Hemi block shot

Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:34 AM

Few more

Posted By: kens avenger

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:36 AM

I need to look around if i have a pick of the cnc work on mine they take out a lot.. i weighed mine it was 128Lbs after the cnc work. Like i said looking at the 2 you can see how much stronger the Indy is..but thats just looks
Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:38 AM

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Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:42 AM

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I need to look around if i have a pick of the cnc work on mine they take out a lot.. i weighed mine it was 128Lbs after the cnc work. Like i said looking at the 2 you can see how much stronger the Indy is..but thats just looks




Yea
This World Hemi Block is porky..Damn thing weighed 338 LBS, thats with NO freeze or galley plugs...I think I blowed a O-Ring out moving it around..
Posted By: wesw

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 05:27 AM

pete sent me some pictures of my indy block today. its time to order more parts now.

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Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 05:28 AM

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Posted By: The Shadow

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 01:36 PM

I think first thing is to compare the world race block to the indy block. Although it doesn't change much in the strength factor it has some better options like bushed lifter bores and dual bell housing bolt patterns. Indy has a larger skirt and the fifth main is cross bolted.
Some peoples opinion may be the indy block is stronger but unless you were in the design room it's only speculation. Looks can be deceiving. Something like the quality of the block material can throw that theory out the window
Most will never run either block close to their limits
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 02:37 PM

There are allways going to be people who make negative speculations.I'am going to go on record to say that Indy provides a quality block.How do I know?My comment is based on facts.What facts?I use Indy blocks in our own race cars and provide them for my customers race cars as well as to other engine builders and racers.We have never had any problems with any that we provide.There are quite a few here on mopars that have Indy blocks provided by us and have been quite satisfied.No speculation here just facts.
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Posted By: Bubba

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:09 PM

They MUST be good because nobody ever sells any used ones.....
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:10 PM

Oh there are some used ones out there...I sold one not to long ago myself.
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 03:43 PM

There are a few used ones for sale,and yes there are some out there that have problems.Since we repair blocks we see many blocks of all manufacture that have serious problems.Most all the issues were not related to the manufacturing of the block,most were due to incorrect machine work, incorrect assembly,incorrect or wrong application,and abuse.Usually when some one screws up they look to place fault elseware. We have never had to return a single Indy Max block for warrenty or repair.
Posted By: CompWedgeEngines

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 04:03 PM

I agree Bob. I have used the Indy Maxx blocks and have had no issues with any of them. I personally like them. They are a good piece when used for their intended applications.


As far as KB goes, they made an excellent piece. BTW, I recieved a call the other day from a source that says KB may have been/ or going to be bought and moved to Iowa. Lets hope that is the case.
Posted By: Bubba

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 04:15 PM

Unfortunetly most of the ones I've came across are already 4.50" I was hoping more would show up before I buy a new Iron World Block.
Posted By: Wv68charger

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 04:34 PM

Posted By: kens avenger

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 04:37 PM

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I think first thing is to compare the world race block to the indy block. Although it doesn't change much in the strength factor it has some better options like bushed lifter bores and dual bell housing bolt patterns. Indy has a larger skirt and the fifth main is cross bolted.
Some peoples opinion may be the indy block is stronger but unless you were in the design room it's only speculation. Looks can be deceiving. Something like the quality of the block material can throw that theory out the window
Most will never run either block close to their limits




The only problem with Indy is the people at Indy .. I will stop there. as for the lifter bores being bushed thats just machine work. just look in that area.. The Indy wins hands down with some of the high spring Psi ran.. some are close to or over 1000 psi over the nose. the indy is stronger in that area. look at the front 1 cylinder side lifer bores ..As for the Dual bell pattern thats nice but most aftermarket cases come with a Mopar opt. again No biggie.. Look at the main webbing. All I did was post this to see what people have seen and there thoughts .. were not in on the Design..... were the end users.. BOB when I do buy another block.. its thru you .I can't deal with the Edit over at ---Y..

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Posted By: kens avenger

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 04:40 PM

Please.... No pissing matchs .. Just thoughts and what you've seen
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 04:40 PM

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Unfortunetly most of the ones I've came across are already 4.50" I was hoping more would show up before I buy a new Iron World Block.


That's what sleeves are for.And for WV Charger,BGR guys will be forming a line for you and Pap.
Posted By: moper

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 04:42 PM

BG, How do you find the finish machine work from Indy? (Not as delivered by you to customer, but right off the pallet?) I know the finish work ont eh KBs was always very good, or made very good by them at no cost to the buyer(on two occasions that I know of). I've seen indy heads first han. Are the blocks on par with them, or can they be run hard as delivered?
Posted By: Wv68charger

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 04:43 PM

Not me just pap you leave me out of that deal
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 04:45 PM

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Please.... No pissing matchs .. Just thoughts and what you've seen


No pissing match here.Indy has a great bunch of dealers and WDs right here on the site.
Posted By: kens avenger

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 04:52 PM

Moper Mine came with a tag .. wash and assemble...we checked it.. some of it was off and I was mad at them to start .. so I didn't call back .. I was mad at them over a oil pan deal.. I have talked to Russ since then ..but what was off was the line bore and some of the finish hone..

would they have made it right like i said I didn't call back at the time
Posted By: moper

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 05:02 PM

Thanks Ken, That's what I'm curious about and the last Indy block I saw was when they had one of the prototypes on display...lol. A while ago...
Posted By: The Shadow

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 07:16 PM

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Please.... No pissing matches .. Just thoughts and what you've seen



Here is a thought at what I see. The indy lifter bore area looks superior to the world but when you look underneath how the skirt area is so much larger than the world block, is all that material needed to keep the block from moving around?
All that material is in the valley area for a reason. .
If the lifter bore valley was a true problem than world would have made it beefier.

Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 07:35 PM

The tight skirt area is a concern with stock and after market blocks.This is an area that traps oil around the rotateing assembly and cause a lot of oil to be thrown on the cylinder walls and cam.This area is the cause of some of the loss of oil pressure at the big end.The Indy wide pan blocks allows the oil to migrate further away from the rotateing assembly and returning to the sump quicker.
Posted By: cudabunch

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 08:35 PM

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The tight skirt area is a concern with stock and after market blocks.This is an area that traps oil around the rotateing assembly and cause a lot of oil to be thrown on the cylinder walls and cam.This area is the cause of some of the loss of oil pressure at the big end.The Indy wide pan blocks allows the oil to migrate further away from the rotateing assembly and returning to the sump quicker.





Thanks BG, I learn something new everyday
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 10:47 PM

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The tight skirt area is a concern with stock and after market blocks.This is an area that traps oil around the rotateing assembly and cause a lot of oil to be thrown on the cylinder walls and cam.This area is the cause of some of the loss of oil pressure at the big end.The Indy wide pan blocks allows the oil to migrate further away from the rotateing assembly and returning to the sump quicker.





Thanks BG, I learn something new everyday


We a constantly learning also,and are glad to pass on what we learn.As far as the blocks we get from Indy,they are quality and any changes we make are our decisions for our or our customers specific needs.As a end user or representative to the end user we are responsible for the products final state.We some times supply unfinished blocks to other builders.With that being said,since we don't live in a perfect world and crap is known to happen,we stand behind our work and Indy stands behind us on their product.What few and minor issues we have had in our almost ten year relationship has always been resolved satisfactorly and professionally.I don't see the issues of customer service that most complain of.From Carrie,Jim,Sam,Ken and Russ at Indy I can only say that they are friendly,curtious,helpful and professional in our busniess relationship.They meet our criteria of a great manufacture and supplier of products and BGR meets their criteria for a good customer,we use their products and pay our bills.I don't get any better than that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/07/08 10:47 PM

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The tight skirt area is a concern with stock and after market blocks.This is an area that traps oil around the rotateing assembly and cause a lot of oil to be thrown on the cylinder walls and cam.This area is the cause of some of the loss of oil pressure at the big end.The Indy wide pan blocks allows the oil to migrate further away from the rotateing assembly and returning to the sump quicker.





Thanks BG, I learn something new everyday


We a constantly learning also,and are glad to pass on what we learn.As far as the blocks we get from Indy,they are quality and any changes we make are our decisions for our or our customers specific needs.As a end user or representative to the end user we are responsible for the products final state.We some times supply unfinished blocks to other builders.With that being said,since we don't live in a perfect world and crap is known to happen,we stand behind our work and Indy stands behind us on their product.What few and minor issues we have had in our almost ten year relationship has always been resolved satisfactorly and professionally.I don't see the issues of customer service that most complain of.From Carrie,Jim,Sam,Ken and Russ at Indy I can only say that they are friendly,curtious,helpful and professional in our busniess relationship.They meet our criteria of a great manufacture and supplier of products and BGR meets their criteria for a good customer,we use their products and pay our bills.I don't get any better than that.
Posted By: Moore & Moore

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 11/08/08 12:12 AM

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The tight skirt area is a concern with stock and after market blocks.This is an area that traps oil around the rotateing assembly and cause a lot of oil to be thrown on the cylinder walls and cam.This area is the cause of some of the loss of oil pressure at the big end.The Indy wide pan blocks allows the oil to migrate further away from the rotateing assembly and returning to the sump quicker.


I agree. Most people think it is for stroke clearance. It will show about 15-20 horse on the dyno.
Jack
Posted By: 605hemi

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/13/10 11:53 PM

I have indy maxx alum hemi block
has anybody else noticed how small the oil return holes from the heads are in the block?
I have looked at world alum and kieth black and they are considerably larger
I cannot fit a 5/16 drill in the holes
I have been having oil return problems with mine
I asked ken at indy if I could drill them out and he said he wouldnt
Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 12:21 AM

I always thought the Indy block was real beefy.
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 12:28 AM

If your having issues with oil return to the sump you can add external oil return lines from the heads to the pan or just add a accusump system.
Posted By: RodStRace

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 12:34 AM

OT a bit. I have read about Indy and the customer service some have received. I bought an oil pan/pickup/pump (yeah, cheap and easy part) at MATS. I called them Monday with a question. They were helpful, returned with the information I needed and were very nice, especially since
I was mistaken and the pan was right. One small sale, but the service after the sale was 180 out from many of the comments here.
Posted By: camastomcat

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 01:03 AM

The last time I taked to Ken at the MATS a couple of years ago, he told me that the aluminum blocks in a 572 were only good for a few rebuilds. He was also telling me that their 655 and 604's along with their 572's were only good for 50 passes and the needed to be gone through. I have a World block and I have 2 KB's. They are both nice, but I don't have any real experience with tghe Indy. They have pizzed me off so bad in the past, I wouldn't want to put any money in their pockets. Nothing with you Bob, and I have heard before to deal with the Indy dealers, if you want their stuff. Oh....and the reason I asked Ken about the block, is because a freind of mine had one that had gone soft. I am using it for a mock up block now.
Posted By: 605hemi

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 01:04 AM

yes I realize that but the point is the holes are smaller than the other block manufacturers.
making the indy block inferior in one of the most important areas of a block..oiling.

and I was wondering if anybody else was drilling them to match the bigger holes the other manufacturers have so I wouldnt have to add more external lines
I believe the holes are smaller even than the factory block
Posted By: moparniac

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 01:49 AM

just askin but how can anybody look at a block and say its stronger! it may look stronger but is it really... it seems "theory" is the cause of alot of arguments on here in all kinds of threads with no proven data to back it up... just sayin!

so what is the max HP of the indy block? also what is the max HP of the world block . does anyone have any proven data on this (other than looks)
Posted By: camastomcat

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 02:16 AM

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just askin but how can anybody look at a block and say its stronger! it may look stronger but is it really... it seems "theory" is the cause of alot of arguments on here in all kinds of threads with no proven data to back it up... just sayin!

so what is the max HP of the indy block? also what is the max HP of the world block . does anyone have any proven data on this (other than looks)



My World B1 motor nade 1017HP. But I'm sure you are asking about more than that. I am sure someone out there has one of both blocks in a blown or NOS application. That would tell the story for sure.
Posted By: jyrki

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 09:11 AM

I have an Indy block purchased in 2002. It has been in street & strip use ever since, maybe about 20000 street miles nad numerous of passes at the strip (& street) Last time dynoed the engine made 1571 hp and 1536 ft-lb, it has been this way for three years now. Not a single block problem yet.
Posted By: moparniac

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 09:17 AM

I remember go green had issues with sleeves! Can't remember what block but he makes big power,,, I guess everything and anything could have issues!
Posted By: rebel

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 11:03 AM

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yes I realize that but the point is the holes are smaller than the other block manufacturers.
making the indy block inferior in one of the most important areas of a block..oiling.

and I was wondering if anybody else was drilling them to match the bigger holes the other manufacturers have so I wouldnt have to add more external lines
I believe the holes are smaller even than the factory block




on my first build i was running out of oil (12 quarts) on most passes, i had to overfill so i could make it to the finish. second build i opened them up a little more & restricted rocker arm flow. this improved things a bit, didn't need to overfill but still had to slip into N straight after a run as the pressure was dropping. third build i opened them up to 5/8(it's my biggest drill),no more running out of oil now, never seen more than 20 psi(rare) drop since the mod, but am planning to go dry sump in the near future.
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 11:55 AM

I would rather use top end restricter, return lines or a accusump system then flood the rotating assembly with return oil.Our own Indy aluminium blocks have literally 4 to 6 seasons on them and 100s of passes,the last count my 588" had 686 passes and Don's 605" was approaching over 500 passes.Pap Ross,Chaz and other have the same reliability. Go figure
Posted By: supercomp

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 01:31 PM

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I would rather use top end restricter, return lines or a accusump system then flood the rotating assembly with return oil.Our own Indy aluminium blocks have literally 4 to 6 seasons on them and 100s of passes,the last count my 588" had 686 passes and Don's 605" was approaching over 500 passes.Pap Ross,Chaz and other have the same reliability. Go figure




On the wide pan rail Indy block. Is indy the only ones that make a pan for it? (Dragster style)
Bob, your making me lean toward a 605 instead of a 572 for our Dragster. No power adders.
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 02:21 PM

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I would rather use top end restricter, return lines or a accusump system then flood the rotating assembly with return oil.Our own Indy aluminium blocks have literally 4 to 6 seasons on them and 100s of passes,the last count my 588" had 686 passes and Don's 605" was approaching over 500 passes.Pap Ross,Chaz and other have the same reliability. Go figure




On the wide pan rail Indy block. Is indy the only ones that make a pan for it? (Dragster style)
Bob, your making me lean toward a 605 instead of a 572 for our Dragster. No power adders.




As far as I'am concerned the 572" is an orphan,it does not show any gain from a 540".If your going to build for big cubic inch power than 600+" would be my choise and that's still small for todays standards.Charlies' Pans and others build the wide pans.Even with the standard pan rail we have solved the oil return and pressure problems with the afore mentioned,restricters,external lines or accusumps.
Posted By: 605hemi

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 02:47 PM


so you have an alum indy maxx water block
and you have safely drilled the oil returns with no water jacket issues?
that is what I want to do
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 03:10 PM

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so you have an alum indy maxx water block
and you have safely drilled the oil returns with no water jacket issues?
that is what I want to do




Lets be sure which oil hole that are being referred to:the ones in the lifter valley or the ones at the lower corners of the heads.The ones in the heads have a offset to align up causing a slight restriction.make sure that these hole are free from any silicone and gasket interference.
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Posted By: 605hemi

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 06:20 PM

I have milodon drag pan 10 qt
4.75 stroke 4.5 bore 605ci hemi
running about 80psi oil pressure.
by the end of 1/4 mile at 7000 rpm
oil press fluctuates then drops to 15-20
at about the time I let off.
and thats all it takes and a couple of rod bearings are out
to me it is pumping all the oil out of pan and not returning fast enough
wouldnt you say?
and since hemis are known for oil return problems
that sounds like the key.
Posted By: 605hemi

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 06:29 PM

it is the oil return holes in block at the four corners of deck surface
you are correct they are offset from the head holes about half the hole and much smaller than the head holes
from looking at world and kieth black they have corrected this but not indy
wondering if I could drill them bigger without causing water jacket problems
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Posted By: camastomcat

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 07:43 PM

Accusump solves this problem. I've been running them for several years now on both cars. No more oil pressure issues. It still drops, but maybe to 30 not 0.
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/14/10 09:21 PM

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it is the oil return holes in block at the four corners of deck surface
you are correct they are offset from the head holes about half the hole and much smaller than the head holes
from looking at world and kieth black they have corrected this but not indy
wondering if I could drill them bigger without causing water jacket problems




That's what I thought,we usually make sure they are clear,put .050 restricters to the rockers and install a 3 quart Accusump.If the issue presist we drill and tap the lower head area about 1/3 the way from the front and back and run two external return lines to the pan on each side of the engine.
Posted By: 605hemi

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/15/10 01:14 AM

thanks for the input
I think I have something to work with now
I always like to get more than a few opinions and ideas on an issue like this.
I am tired of taking this thing apart after 3 passes to find rod bearings out
Posted By: rebel

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/15/10 04:08 AM

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it releases the 3 qt. any time the engine oil presure drops




umm, you'll need to tell me how all the 3 quarts is going to be released out of the accusump when released. i've done lots of pressure testing using water, you fill to the top with water then squeeze more water on top till the required pressure is obtained. when you release the pressure, only the extra water that was required to reach the pressure escapes which in say 3 quarts might be 1/2 a quart extra to make 80 psi. now i know we're referring to oil here but the characteristics will be the same. you will not get the 3 quart capacity of the accusump escaping into the pressurised oil system unless there's something else to displace the oil in the accusump, you'll be lucky to get 1/2 a quart at the most, depending on the system pressure. if the accusump was pressurised by a gas then you'll get more oil out of the accusump but since from what i can understand, you pressurise an accusump with oil pressure by giving the engine some rpm & then closing the valve. maybe i need to clean my glasses but i'm not seeing it. all i can see is a brief period of extra pressure but not an extra 3 quarts majicly entering the oil system.
Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/15/10 04:32 AM

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it releases the 3 qt. any time the engine oil presure drops




umm, you'll need to tell me how all the 3 quarts is going to be released out of the accusump when released. i've done lots of pressure testing using water, you fill to the top with water then squeeze more water on top till the required pressure is obtained. when you release the pressure, only the extra water that was required to reach the pressure escapes which in say 3 quarts might be 1/2 a quart extra to make 80 psi. now i know we're referring to oil here but the characteristics will be the same. you will not get the 3 quart capacity of the accusump escaping into the pressurised oil system unless there's something else to displace the oil in the accusump, you'll be lucky to get 1/2 a quart at the most, depending on the system pressure. if the accusump was pressurised by a gas then you'll get more oil out of the accusump but since from what i can understand, you pressurise an accusump with oil pressure by giving the engine some rpm & then closing the valve. maybe i need to clean my glasses but i'm not seeing it. all i can see is a brief period of extra pressure but not an extra 3 quarts majicly entering the oil system.



Wrong
Delta P
It see's differential pressure..nothing more. It can and will release the whole contents if the pressure diff is still unequal.
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Posted By: rebel

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/15/10 08:08 AM

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THE ACCUSUMP IS PRESURIZED WITH AIR BEHIND THE CYLINDER. IT PUSHES OUT THE OIL



ok thats the bit i didn't know. cheers for clearing that bit up. do they have a diaphram or something seperating the 2?
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/16/10 12:13 AM

Ken,
Does the Indy max block require a special oil pan? That gasket doesn't fit both blocks, so it looks like the oil pan would need to be special too. ???
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Posted By: 440Jim

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/16/10 12:29 AM

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I have seen wide pans the fit regular blocks. the bolts were installed thru tubes welded into the pan


That sounds like a custom pan to me. Welding tubes, etc. The wide pan might be a good idea, I am just asking if we are comparing common parts to special parts. If a racers is upgrading to a new block and has all the other parts (oil pan), is he in for a surprise that it won't fit? And vice versa from a racer with a broke Indy Maxx block changing to a MP block. Full disclosure.

And IMO, if somebody is making a special block that is wider at the bottom, they should have real 4 bolt main caps, not just side bolted. Then the full advantage of the wider skirt would be used with all the special parts that are needed for it.
Posted By: jyrki

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/16/10 05:22 AM

At least my block has got both the factory and the wide bolt pattern, so you can use a stock pan, or a custom wide pan.
Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/16/10 02:06 PM

Jim
Just to make sure you have the correct info.
The Indy Maxx block will except standard oil pan pattern without modification. Standard gaskets was used on my block.
No question the strength of the Indy Maxx block has bottom end strength...Anyone who has pulled main caps on these thing can attest.
No way those main caps can go anywhere. Even with the bolts out as strong as I am, i cannot pull a main cap using my hands.
I used a slide hammer to remove those.
Now this World Block looks stronger, but the main caps come out easy. Of coarse this is just a iron block, but still.
I dont see a problem with either making up to 1200 hp.
I mean It shouldn't be a question of strength for our engines, unless we run NOS, most dont have the heads to support that kind of power.

So whats the availability of the KB block now? In my case a KB block would have been the same amount of money in the end.
When I was told by Ken Black the wait would be 3-5 month for a block. I just couldnt wait that long.
Anyways as far as cost goes. This World block was cheaper to correct in the end.
The Indy Maxx block was $4300 or so, which came rough bore, and decks.
It took a good bit of work to be washed and ready for assembly.
Best Machine finished this block for me, and the final bill was about $1100.
Now the price diff between the KB and Indy was minimal.
This World block was finished rather OK over all.
The bores needed honed of coarse for piston fit. The decks were square, but I milled those to get my desired compression ratio.
I had two main bores that were not perfect. Again some might have ran it, but I choose to hone the mains to make them perfect as possible.
Posted By: supercomp

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/16/10 02:14 PM

That's what I thought,we usually make sure they are clear,put .050 restricters to the rockers and install a 3 quart Accusump.If the issue presist we drill and tap the lower head area about 1/3 the way from the front and back and run two external return lines to the pan on each side of the engine.

Is oil return a problem with B1 heads?
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/16/10 02:27 PM

Quote:

That's what I thought,we usually make sure they are clear,put .050 restricters to the rockers and install a 3 quart Accusump.If the issue presist we drill and tap the lower head area about 1/3 the way from the front and back and run two external return lines to the pan on each side of the engine.

Is oil return a problem with B1 heads?




We have limited experience with the B-1s,but we found that getting proper oil to the rockers was a pia and yes we installed external oil drainback lines on the B-1s.If we didn't then the amont of oil at the valve spring seats was a large volume until it got high enough to drain to the lifter valley.
Posted By: supercomp

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/16/10 03:28 PM

We have jesel individual shaft rockers and drainback hoses (4). No problems on stock block.
Posted By: kens avenger

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 06/18/10 02:45 AM

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Ken,
Does the Indy max block require a special oil pan? That gasket doesn't fit both blocks, so it looks like the oil pan would need to be special too. ???





you can see in the pic. Its wider, no a stock type pan will not work on mine.The pan I have caused the problems with me and INDY.. not gonna go into it.. as said from Fred it does have tubes on one side to install the bolts.. gonna toss this out .. Anyone seen the main webbing pulled out on a indy max block. I know someone that used alot of Nitrous and it happened to one of his blocks. these where early production blocks.. don't get in here that much anymore.. Hope everyone is doing Good
Posted By: racerx

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 09/14/18 05:28 PM

Did a search on blocks and found this thread lots of good info. here if anyone looking to upgrade to a new block. Some of the members are still here I believe.
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 09/15/18 11:51 AM

The Indy blocks can be ordered with standard or and wide pan configuration.
Posted By: racerx

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 09/15/18 04:04 PM

Are the blocks made to order and in stock, if not what are the wait time on these?
(indy that is)
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 09/18/18 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By racerx
Are the blocks made to order and in stock, if not what are the wait time on these?
(indy that is)


I was told 8-10 weeks
Posted By: racerx

Re: World VS INDY alum blocks - 09/19/18 11:42 AM

Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Originally Posted By racerx
Are the blocks made to order and in stock, if not what are the wait time on these?
(indy that is)


I was told 8-10 weeks

Whaaat………. whiney
Might as well wait and see if KB will get there ball to rolling. Figure it will be a two year deal for me anyway.
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