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451 Camshaft Questian

Posted By: titan

451 Camshaft Questian - 07/16/12 08:30 PM

Guy's I Am Putting Together A Low Deck 451 For Mostly Street Car, And Am Getting Ready To Decide What Camshaft That I Want. I Am Wanting Good Power But Not Something Too Terribly Rough Of An Idle. Every Body Says That With A Stroker You Can Get Away With Much More Duration, But Would That Count For A 451? Isn't It Just Basically A 440?
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/16/12 09:43 PM

WAY too many variables............weight, heads,gears comp. etc. but when in doubt a good ol .480-.500 lift cam w/230-235 dur. @ .050 has always got the job done for me on mild combos.
Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/16/12 10:23 PM

I agree with Thumper, for the best answer we need more information. Do you have any goals for the car? HP or ET wise? What is the rest of the combination?
Posted By: dogdays

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/16/12 11:24 PM

Well basically you have a 440 with a bit shorter intake runners. It isn't a stroker except compared to a 383/400. So anything that would work for a 440 will work for your 451.

I'd say the Lunati Voodoo cam in the middle of the series would be about right. Something like the Comp XE268.

R.
Posted By: lewtot184

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/16/12 11:33 PM

there are some variables here but the big one is; do you want to drive the car a bunch? i've got a 440 in my 65 coronet, good heads, 6-pak, torqueflite, 3.23 rear, 9.3:1 compression. it has an engle k65 solid; 238@.050-.510 lift. it's all the cam i want. it's got a little rumble, would probably have a little more "pop" with 10 or 10.5 compression. doesn't need much converter. low maintenance, easy break-in, and makes enough power for my old butt.
Posted By: 383man

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/16/12 11:37 PM

Do you care if it is solid or hydraulic ? Or flat tappet or roller ? Ron
Posted By: AndyF

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/17/12 12:36 AM

The Mopar .528 solid works really well in that size of engine. It has a fairly smooth idle but it will pull hard up past 6000 rpm.
Posted By: titan

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/17/12 01:03 AM

Quote:

The Mopar .528 solid works really well in that size of engine. It has a fairly smooth idle but it will pull hard up past 6000 rpm.


That's The Cam I Was Planning On Using. Thanks
Posted By: AndyF

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/17/12 03:21 AM

I've done a fair amount of camshaft testing over the years. The articles are on my website in the tech article section.

www.arengineering.com is the address. I also covered the topic in my big block book.
Posted By: polyspheric

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/17/12 05:59 AM

It's not a 440 unless you're using RB rods.
Posted By: dogdays

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/17/12 04:43 PM

And most modern 451s do.....
R.
Posted By: Skeptic

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/17/12 09:08 PM

Quote:

It's not a 440 unless you're using RB rods.


Not sure if serious.....
Posted By: dmking

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/17/12 11:16 PM

if i build a 451 it will be short rods.
it has been said the longer rods seem laiser to the 60ft
than the shorter ones...
i am going to find out.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/17/12 11:21 PM

Quote:

if i build a 451 it will be short rods.
it has been said the longer rods seem laiser to the 60ft
than the shorter ones...
i am going to find out.


Its has been said many things by many people over the years,some of them are wrong, some of them are even Mopar guys The longer rod will help relieve cylinder wall stress and help you run a lighter piston, light is right Lightweight crank assemblys accelerate and slow down quicker also
Posted By: Mike Swann

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/17/12 11:53 PM

The next 451 I build will have a 383 rod in it. Thats still a 1.75 L/R (440 rod has 1.80 L/R) That way, you dont have the wrist pin penetrating the oil ring land.

I use a 214/224 on a 114 for my street car. Really happy with it.

Its similar to a 300HP/327 chevy grind from the 60's. I got it from Crane. Dont know if you can get it anymore though.
Posted By: Dan Halen

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/18/12 12:03 AM


I just did my 451 with the 383/400 rod. I run the Racer Brown SSH/44

with 244* @.050. I've used this cam before in a 440 and it runs real

good on a street car with a 3500ish converter and a set of 3.55'-

4.10s in the back. The pistons are lighter than the ones made

for the stock stroke.
Posted By: snook

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/18/12 12:04 AM

Old school mopar 557 solid cam. Perfect for a street driven 451.
Posted By: polyspheric

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/18/12 12:43 AM

Yes.
Why?
Posted By: Skeptic

Re: 451 Camshaft Questian - 07/18/12 01:43 AM

Quote:

Yes.
Why?


Rod Length has nothing to do with displacement
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