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Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi

Posted By: ZIPPY

Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 04:35 AM

Well here it is. Looks kind of cool on there?

I think I want to buy it, just for the
"what the heck is that?" factor





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Posted By: RTSrunner

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 04:41 AM

Quote:

Well here it is. Looks kind of cool on there?

I think I want to buy it.





I think I want to see it!Link is no good Zippy.
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 02:15 PM

Picture was too big so the board dumped it.
I resized it and it's working now.
Posted By: Dragula

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 02:53 PM

Quote:

Well here it is. Looks kind of cool on there?

I think I want to buy it, just for the
"what the heck is that?" factor






I think it needs to be taller....Is that a modified stock timing cover?
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 03:00 PM

It's a brand new casting.
Posted By: TrWaters

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 04:19 PM

I would guess that the drive might look something like this.

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Posted By: TrWaters

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 04:31 PM

By now they probably have an extended nose camshaft for this conversion, and use a seperate drive gear. I know Arrington used a modified R5 distributor drive gear on their first conversions. The above was my attempt.
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 04:49 PM

I'd definitely like to take it apart for a look-see.
Posted By: MattW

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 09:27 PM

Quote:

Well here it is. Looks kind of cool on there?

I think I want to buy it, just for the
"what the heck is that?" factor








So what happened to the other eight plugs?
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 09:31 PM

Great idea but, the word "HIDEOUS" keeps jumping into my mind.

Does anybody make a belt drive for these yet?
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 09:59 PM

The other eight plugs are just plugged up

It's definitely not for everybody, but should be good for the "I hate computers" crowd which is quite a few folks.

I think it should open the door to guys who want to use the same ignition they're used for the last 25 years, so they can feel comfortable with it.
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 10:12 PM

No offense Zippy. (SB guy) Thanks for posting.

It does hang out there by an obsene amount though.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 10:20 PM

I see that its running a mech fuel pump also...
is the cap area close to the valve cover? looks
like that dist could be a fair bit lower
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 11:42 PM

No offense taken, nobody can debate that it's hanging way out because...it is!

I think they actually look cleaner in stock form with no distributor at all, coil on plug '06 and later or 6.1, etc. That doesn't apply to ones like my '03 though, with the crossover wires running all over the place....

Seems like the cap area of the dist. and the head + valve cover are all trying to occupy the same area. Nowhere to go but up I guess? I think the distributor comes from an AMC but would have to check.
Posted By: BigBlockMopar

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/13/12 11:49 PM

Well at least it's on the 'right' side of the engine...

I've got 5.7L in my garage waiting for me to pour money into it by making it run in my Dart.
Been going through the options of how to fuel it and controlling the ignition, but I'm favoring for a Megasquirt-'puter and a propane vapour injection fuelsystem, for now.
Posted By: MattW

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/14/12 01:35 AM

I've asked this before, with no answere, has anyone tried this on a dyno. I would like to know what would be the HP loss if any running only 8 plugs.
My run an belt driven distributor of the nose of the camshaft.
Like EMC probably cheaper.
Matt
Posted By: yella71

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/14/12 01:47 AM

I think I saw an artical in hot rod or some rag that tested a carbed 3rd gen with a dist like that with no difference in power to 16 plugs.crate motor dyno test I think. all my v8s run ok on just 8 plugs.
Posted By: sam64

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/14/12 02:34 AM

just buy the msd hemi 6 and be done.in this case looks cost way to much,[dist,valve covers,etc].when the hood is shut who sees it.timing is timing looks=?
Posted By: topbrent

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/14/12 04:37 AM

Now if Edelbrock would just finish tooling up that single 4 intake that has been designed and tested but won't release because they think there is no market....

One would think that if there is a market for a 5.7/6.1 distributor conversion, surely there is a market for a good dual plane intake.

Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/14/12 03:33 PM

It'll fit fine with stock valve covers. No need for anything fancy.

It's a deal where hating computers just might cost somebody extra, and create extra effort. The hemi 6 seems like a good piece, and might even cost less at the end of the day. But some are against using stuff like that.

Alot of circle track apps MUST have a distributor per their rules, and 5.7s are more plentiful in the junkyards than 360s anymore, so there is a door that could open.

The intake manifold thing is just ridiculous. It's been done for six years, they need to just make the dumb thing already.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/14/12 04:30 PM

A nice little offset dist would look good on there
Posted By: 2734bbl

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/14/12 05:35 PM

Quote:

A nice little offset dist would look good on there





Thats what I was thinking, or better yet... make it like a GM HEI and it get's real uncomplicated real fast.
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/14/12 06:13 PM

It's probably a good thing it doesn't come with the distributor, since there are so many ideas in that vein.
Posted By: RemCharger

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/14/12 08:29 PM

Quote:

Quote:

A nice little offset dist would look good on there





Thats what I was thinking, or better yet... make it like a GM HEI and it get's real uncomplicated real fast.


*cringe*
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/15/12 12:16 AM

I don't know anything about the set-up but, here's a look at
another option for the new Hemi.

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Posted By: TrWaters

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/15/12 12:28 AM

Someone mention belt drive?

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Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/15/12 12:32 AM



Do you know who makes them? Arrington, Weber?

Cool and an electric water pump too!
Posted By: TrWaters

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/15/12 01:49 AM

Arrington??? Weber??? Not hardly. Although Arrington and MP both looked at it. I am pretty sure I know who was doing that one. Me. I never finished it and have no intention to. There is no money in that stuff.
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/15/12 01:54 AM

Pretty sure that is Tom's own handiwork

Edit...I post too slowly....very true there is no money in that stuff, cool as it is to see.

Love the BES setup and remember that one from the mag article.

I guess Mopar's design is more along the lines of "what would the factory have done?"...which makes sense considering the intended product lineup.
Posted By: nz383man

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/15/12 10:20 AM

You say "Old School" so what about this setup?



Nothing screams Old school louder than this



I'm building one for my old Hemi



and would really like it to turn out something like this . . .

Posted By: AlexP

Re: Old school ignition for Gen 3 Hemi - 03/15/12 05:49 PM

Awesome idea, but I'd rather let a timing computer handle the duties. Plus, the stock coils put out enough spark to light off anything.
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