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Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12

Posted By: ProStDodge

Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 04:29 PM

NHRA has changed its thoughts on the window net rule for cars slower than 7.49 (4.50). The section in RED has been REMOVED and replaced by the section in BLUE.

SECTION 20: GENERAL REGULATIONS, INTERIOR: 6, WINDOW NET (Page 29) (3/5/2012) An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car running 7.49 (*4.49) or quicker. For full-bodied cars running 7.50 (*4.50) to 9.99 (*6.39) or if vehicle runs 135 mph or faster a ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type window net is mandatory unless otherwise specified by class requirements. SFI 27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture. Window net must be securely mounted on the inside of the roll cage, with the permanent attachment at the bottom. All attachment points must be designed in an attempt to protect the driver and avoid contact with track surface or guardwall. Eyelet clips, dogleash hardware, hose clamps, etc. prohibited. Penetration of webbing, except as performed by manufacturer, prohibited. Any modification to net must be performed by manufacturer.

NHRA members can find this information in the "Rulebook amendments" section on the www.nhraracer.com site.

This change means the SFI ribbon style nets are not needed until you run faster than 7.49. So you don't need to be changing your ribbon net every 2 years, unless you have a mesh style net, or run faster than 7.49 (4.50)

Scott
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 04:36 PM

As usual someone is on the ball with changes. Some of us have already run two divisional races and purchased new stuff. Oh well it looks so much better than the perfectly good one it replaced
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 04:38 PM

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As usual someone is on the ball with changes. Some of us have already run two divisional races and purchased new stuff. Oh well it looks so much better than the perfectly good one it replaced




do i detect a hint of sarcasm there Al?
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 04:50 PM

From me...No way
Posted By: 440lebaron

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 04:56 PM

???????????
7.50-9.99 window net mandatory, sfi 27.1 still says updated every 2 years, am i missing something, only had 1 coffee so far
Posted By: SB412DUSTER

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 04:59 PM

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???????????
7.50-9.99 window net mandatory, sfi 27.1 still says updated every 2 years, am i missing something, only had 1 coffee so far




It says a ribbon type or an SFI mesh type
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 05:09 PM

Yet another good reason to stay above 9.99..
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 05:25 PM

I hope I can still cancell my back order for a new window net. My current ribbon type is only 2 years old.

I hate spending money on something of no benefit and no longer required.

EDIT: Summit was able to cancel my backorder. This was ordered on 2/7, first delay to 3/3, then to 3/11. Evidently a lot of people were ordering these, many more than more years. Likely due to the NHRA rule mess.
Posted By: moparacer

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 05:38 PM

Too late for me. Already redone my mount, purchased a new ribbon net and canned a perfectly good mesh net.

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 05:41 PM

Well I guess not having money has it's privileges.
Posted By: RemCharger

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 07:20 PM

Eliminates confusion as to whether or not a 10 sec car with cage needs a net.
Not me being confused... tech directors...
Posted By: Keith Richards

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/06/12 09:15 PM

I think I will stay with my new RCI $23 ribbon net, it has better luck so far.
Posted By: OUTLAWSSAA

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 05:02 AM

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NHRA has changed its thoughts on the window net rule for cars slower than 7.49 (4.50). The section in RED has been REMOVED and replaced by the section in BLUE.

SECTION 20: GENERAL REGULATIONS, INTERIOR: 6, WINDOW NET (Page 29) (3/5/2012) An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car running 7.49 (*4.49) or quicker. For full-bodied cars running 7.50 (*4.50) to 9.99 (*6.39) or if vehicle runs 135 mph or faster a ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type window net is mandatory unless otherwise specified by class requirements. SFI 27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture. Window net must be securely mounted on the inside of the roll cage, with the permanent attachment at the bottom. All attachment points must be designed in an attempt to protect the driver and avoid contact with track surface or guardwall. Eyelet clips, dogleash hardware, hose clamps, etc. prohibited. Penetration of webbing, except as performed by manufacturer, prohibited. Any modification to net must be performed by manufacturer.

NHRA members can find this information in the "Rulebook amendments" section on the www.nhraracer.com site.

This change means the SFI ribbon style nets are not needed until you run faster than 7.49. So you don't need to be changing your ribbon net every 2 years, unless you have a mesh style net, or run faster than 7.49 (4.50)

Scott




I don't know what your talking about. Your last sentence about not changing a ribbon net every 2 yrs contradicts what the rules says. I've read it 3 times. If you run between 7.50 and 9.99 with a ribbon net you have to change it every 2 yrs.
Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 05:06 AM

It's always fun teching a 10 sec car that has a full cage.... and we went with the window net because there was always some tech moron that said it was required with a cage.
Posted By: SB412DUSTER

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 05:54 AM

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NHRA has changed its thoughts on the window net rule for cars slower than 7.49 (4.50). The section in RED has been REMOVED and replaced by the section in BLUE.

SECTION 20: GENERAL REGULATIONS, INTERIOR: 6, WINDOW NET (Page 29) (3/5/2012) An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car running 7.49 (*4.49) or quicker. For full-bodied cars running 7.50 (*4.50) to 9.99 (*6.39) or if vehicle runs 135 mph or faster a ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type window net is mandatory unless otherwise specified by class requirements. SFI 27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture. Window net must be securely mounted on the inside of the roll cage, with the permanent attachment at the bottom. All attachment points must be designed in an attempt to protect the driver and avoid contact with track surface or guardwall. Eyelet clips, dogleash hardware, hose clamps, etc. prohibited. Penetration of webbing, except as performed by manufacturer, prohibited. Any modification to net must be performed by manufacturer.

NHRA members can find this information in the "Rulebook amendments" section on the www.nhraracer.com site.

This change means the SFI ribbon style nets are not needed until you run faster than 7.49. So you don't need to be changing your ribbon net every 2 years, unless you have a mesh style net, or run faster than 7.49 (4.50)

Scott




I don't know what your talking about. Your last sentence about not changing a ribbon net every 2 yrs contradicts what the rules says. I've read it 3 times. If you run between 7.50 and 9.99 with a ribbon net you have to change it every 2 yrs.





No it says if you run between 7.50 and 9.99 you have to run a Ribbon net or a SFI 27.1 mesh net. then it goes on to say all the SFI nets have to be re-certed every 2 years. It does not say the ribbon ones for 7.50 to 9.99 have to
Posted By: MoparBilly

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 05:55 AM

In english, decifered for you who continue to struggle:
MESH type nets have always been replaced every 2 years.
RIBBON type were allowed to be used longer, then the rulebook changed it to every 2 years, then NHRA got major backlash, now they have relented, and returned to allowing RIBBON type nets to continue in use.
Posted By: OUTLAWSSAA

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 06:06 AM

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NHRA has changed its thoughts on the window net rule for cars slower than 7.49 (4.50). The section in RED has been REMOVED and replaced by the section in BLUE.

SECTION 20: GENERAL REGULATIONS, INTERIOR: 6, WINDOW NET (Page 29) (3/5/2012) An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car running 7.49 (*4.49) or quicker. For full-bodied cars running 7.50 (*4.50) to 9.99 (*6.39) or if vehicle runs 135 mph or faster a ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type window net is mandatory unless otherwise specified by class requirements. SFI 27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture. Window net must be securely mounted on the inside of the roll cage, with the permanent attachment at the bottom. All attachment points must be designed in an attempt to protect the driver and avoid contact with track surface or guardwall. Eyelet clips, dogleash hardware, hose clamps, etc. prohibited. Penetration of webbing, except as performed by manufacturer, prohibited. Any modification to net must be performed by manufacturer.

NHRA members can find this information in the "Rulebook amendments" section on the www.nhraracer.com site.

This change means the SFI ribbon style nets are not needed until you run faster than 7.49. So you don't need to be changing your ribbon net every 2 years, unless you have a mesh style net, or run faster than 7.49 (4.50)

Scott




I don't know what your talking about. Your last sentence about not changing a ribbon net every 2 yrs contradicts what the rules says. I've read it 3 times. If you run between 7.50 and 9.99 with a ribbon net you have to change it every 2 yrs.





No it says if you run between 7.50 and 9.99 you have to run a Ribbon net or a SFI 27.1 mesh net. then it goes on to say all the SFI nets have to be re-certed every 2 years. It does not say the ribbon ones for 7.50 to 9.99 have to




You need to look a little closer.

27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture.
Posted By: SB412DUSTER

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 06:18 AM

Read the whole thing again a little slower and you will see it
Posted By: ProStDodge

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 06:43 AM

Sorta like reading stereo instructions. But yes, the simple answer is the common ribbon nets only need to have a current SFI cert if you go faster than 7.50. ALL Mesh nets must be SFI cert.

All cars running nets that are required to be certified must have them re-certified or replaced every 2 years.
Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 07:16 AM

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NHRA has changed its thoughts on the window net rule for cars slower than 7.49 (4.50). The section in RED has been REMOVED and replaced by the section in BLUE.

SECTION 20: GENERAL REGULATIONS, INTERIOR: 6, WINDOW NET (Page 29) (3/5/2012) An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car running 7.49 (*4.49) or quicker. For full-bodied cars running 7.50 (*4.50) to 9.99 (*6.39) or if vehicle runs 135 mph or faster a ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type window net is mandatory unless otherwise specified by class requirements. SFI 27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture. Window net must be securely mounted on the inside of the roll cage, with the permanent attachment at the bottom. All attachment points must be designed in an attempt to protect the driver and avoid contact with track surface or guardwall. Eyelet clips, dogleash hardware, hose clamps, etc. prohibited. Penetration of webbing, except as performed by manufacturer, prohibited. Any modification to net must be performed by manufacturer.

NHRA members can find this information in the "Rulebook amendments" section on the www.nhraracer.com site.

This change means the SFI ribbon style nets are not needed until you run faster than 7.49. So you don't need to be changing your ribbon net every 2 years, unless you have a mesh style net, or run faster than 7.49 (4.50)

Scott






The key wording there is "ribbon type OR SFI 27.1 Mesh Type"

Doesn't say SFI Ribbon Type..

But, like Al.. Have already spent the money.. Thanks again NHRA..



Chris..
Posted By: OUTLAWSSAA

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 03:00 PM

This is from an NHRA tech in our group. BTW NHRA sucks.


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Originally Posted by outlawssaa
Jay, this is right out of the rule book. You see where it says if you run between 7.50 and 9.99 and run a ribbon net, you need to change every 2 yrs



SECTION 20: GENERAL REGULATIONS, INTERIOR: 6, WINDOW NET (Page 29) (3/5/2012) An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car running 7.49 (*4.49) or quicker. For full-bodied cars running 7.50 (*4.50) to 9.99 (*6.39) or if vehicle runs 135 mph or faster a ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type window net is mandatory unless otherwise specified by class requirements. SFI 27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture. Window net must be securely mounted on the inside of the roll cage, with the permanent attachment at the bottom. All attachment points must be designed in an attempt to protect the driver and avoid contact with track surface or guardwall. Eyelet clips, dogleash hardware, hose clamps, etc. prohibited. Penetration of webbing, except as performed by manufacturer, prohibited. Any modification to net must be performed by manufacturer.

Bob,

You are correct, but like most Mopar owners, you are just a bit late to the party.

Per the email I got this morning from Rich Bowers, Div 3 tech director:

This week’s TTQ #10 is on the 2012 NHRA Rule Amendment covering window nets. If you log on to www.nhraracer.com and on the left side click on to Rules, then on 2012 Rule Book Amendments you can scroll down to see all the rule changes. I have copied below the window net rule changes that will affect Super Pro and Advanced ET as this will cover most of you. S/ST, SG, SC, Stock and SS also have window net amendments for full-bodied cars.
SECTION 4A: SUPER PRO, PRO, SPORTSMAN, INTERIOR:6, WINDOW NET (Page 5) (3/5/2012)
Window net meeting SFI 27.1 mandatory in any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. A ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type window net is mandatory for any full-bodied car running 7.50 (*4.50) to 9.99 (*6.39) or if vehicle runs 135 mph or faster.See General Regulations 6:3.

SECTION 4B:ADVANCED E.T., INTERIOR:6, WINDOW NET (Page 11) (3/5/2012)
An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car running 6.00 (*3.66) to 7.49 (*4.49). SFI 27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture. See General Regulations 6:3.

SECTION 20: GENERAL REGULATIONS, INTERIOR: 6, WINDOW NET (Page 29) (3/5/2012)
An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. An SFI 27.1 ribbon-type or mesh-type window net is mandatory on any full-bodied car running 7.49 (*4.49) or quicker. For full-bodied cars running 7.50 (*4.50) to 9.99 (*6.39) or if vehicle runs 135 mph or faster a ribbon-type or SFI 27.1 mesh-type window net is mandatory unless otherwise specified by class requirements. SFI 27.1 window net, when required, must be updated at two-year intervals from the date of manufacture..






That means if you have a ribbon type, you dont have to have it updated every 2 years IF you run slower than 7.50 in the 1/4 mile.










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Posted By: SCDaytona

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 03:57 PM

Thanks NHRA! NOT!~ Now I just spent over $90 with shipping as my net is custom and did not need to. So how did all of a sudden did NHRA figure the ribbon nets are still good?
Posted By: RemCharger

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/07/12 04:48 PM

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You are correct, but like most Mopar owners, you are just a bit late to the party.



We aren't the ones writing redundant stupid rules?
Cool party,,, have fun.
Posted By: cbs

Re: Window net rules changed again as of 03/05/12 - 03/08/12 03:39 AM

Effective 3-5 2012. If your car is slower than 7.49 your ribbon type 27.1 window net does not have to be changed every 2 years......the mesh type were always supposed to be changed every 2 years anyway....

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