Going Racing... Finally.. UPDATE MOTOR ISSUES

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Going Racing... Finally.. UPDATE MOTOR ISSUES - 01/01/12 06:15 AM

We're all loaded up and going to go test @ Speedworld after the wreck almost 4 years ago..

New everything.. Belts, Window Net,

Anyway, 10.90 @ 150mph is the goal..

Happy New Year..

Chris..

Posted By: SB412DUSTER

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 06:17 AM

Good luck with it and be careful

Happy New year

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 06:17 AM

have fun! wheels look great!

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 06:24 AM

Good for you.............go get em and have a great time. Unfortunately I can`t make this one.......

Posted By: Duner

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 06:25 AM

Looks beautiful!

Be safe and have fun.

BTW - isn't 150 mph a little overkill by about 30 mph or so? Are you planning on idling up to the 330' beam then nail it?

Posted By: Ari440

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 06:26 AM

motor pics please !

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 08:08 AM

10.90 at 150. We were going 11.05 at 156 last race

Seriously good luck tomorrow. Hoipefully all goes well and works like it should.

Posted By: moparman1954

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 08:23 AM

I love that car! My Cuda is sharp, but that car is beautiful!!

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 09:42 AM

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Looks beautiful!

Be safe and have fun.

BTW - isn't 150 mph a little overkill by about 30 mph or so? Are you planning on idling up to the 330' beam then nail it?

Thanks..

T-Stop.. S/ST... Getting ready for this coming season..

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have fun! wheels look great!

Slegie.. The Wheels are Centerline Qualifiers..

I worked there when I was a young person.. They've treated me well over the years..

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10.90 at 150. We were going 11.05 at 156 last race

Seriously good luck tomorrow. Hopefully all goes well and works like it should.

Thanks Al.. Your help has been a big part of this process..

Chris..

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 10:16 AM

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motor pics please !

A few..

Chris..

Posted By: jim sciortino

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 10:30 AM

Car looks grrrrrreat!!!

Posted By: fishy340

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 02:15 PM

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Car looks grrrrrreat!!!

xxxx 2

Posted By: Aspen7695

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 02:47 PM

Good luck and have a great time. I look forward to seeing you at some of the Divisionals this year.

Raul

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 02:55 PM

good luck Chris

and may the brakes stay with you.

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 03:27 PM

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motor pics please !

A few..

Chris..

Why do you have a expansion tank on your upper rad hose?

Posted By: 383man

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 08:17 PM

Wow what a nice Cuda.

My buddy also runs Super/Street with his 68 Cuda but its not as fast as yours as his is a basic 440 with Indy SR heads. This will run 10.0's flat out at about 132. Have you ran your car flat out before ? Good luck in that fine Cuda. Ron

Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/01/12 09:27 PM

Back in black and never looked better!!Good luck this season

Posted By: 67mprfan

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 12:57 AM

Good luck stay safe

Posted By: B1Johnny

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 02:29 AM

hi chris the cuda looks awesome,good luck this season hope all is well later johnny.

Posted By: Bigcube

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 03:11 AM

Nice job on the rebuild!

Good luck and be careful. Looks bad a$$

Posted By: Sledge_57

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 03:32 AM

Nice car.

Refresh my memory, is this the car that used to be raced by your father and you re-did it or am I thinking of someone else here?

Posted By: Kam*Kuda

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 03:42 AM

Looks amazing I am almost 4 years into my build and hope to be on the track in 2012.

You car is a beauty!

Posted By: MikeyT

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 04:05 AM

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Car looks grrrrrreat!!!

That thing is pure mean looking!

Good luck racing! Let us know how it goes!

mike

Posted By: rickstershemi

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 04:20 AM

The car looks awesome Chris.....Happy New Year, Have a blast and be safe

Rickster

Posted By: smokinwoody

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 04:39 AM

most excellent job..how did the car do...

Posted By: Jeepmon

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 07:44 AM

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most excellent job..how did the car do...

x2... The world wants to know.. and we want to know now dammit!!

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 08:37 AM

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most excellent job..how did the car do...

x2... The world wants to know.. and we want to know now dammit!!

Not great news, but not on a wrecker..

Electrical issues.. That's why we test..

Car was down about 4 mph from last time out in better air..

Changed jets.. No change.. in ET or MPH..

Made a third run and lost oil pressure..

Decided to call it a day..

Did a compression test.. Found something weird..

#1-- 195
#3-- 198
#5-- 198
#7-- 200

#2-- 160
#4-- 180
#6-- 185
#8-- 181.... Beats Me..

Passenger bank is screwy.. No blow by, smoke or water..

So that's why we test..

Going to cut open the filter, and do a leak down..

Why do I do this again?

Car was a hit though.. saw a couple of members there..

Proof that I was there..

http://arizonaautoscene.smugmug.com/Cars...4877784_fZDff74

Chris..

Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 02:14 PM

Glad to here you got out, hope the oil pressure is a small deal,ditto the compression.

Posted By: MegaDart

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 03:40 PM

glad your back at it, best of luck and hope the problems are minor.

Posted By: Jeepmon

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 07:13 PM

Glad to hear the car was a hit, I know you've spent a lot of time and money getting the car back out there..

Good luck with the motor, hope it turns out to be nothing, but the info you provided doesnt sound good.. but here's to you getting the car back out to the track

Posted By: jake4cars

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/02/12 09:55 PM

Nice car Chris!!! be careful and have fun

Joey

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/03/12 12:50 AM

Thanks everyone..

It was a very long mission, and now more adversity..

I'll get it figured out..

Quicktree You're a funny guy..

B1Johnny Thanks, are you and Paul coming out in Feb.?

Sledge 57 We wrecked it at Firebird in March of 2008.. No Brakes.. http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh105/Chris_Barracuda_68/Barracuda%20Fix%20Up/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20

Thanks again Everyone..

Chris..

Posted By: B1Johnny

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/03/12 02:41 AM

hey chris i hope the motor is ok.we are not coming out this year i am trying to get my car done by may to run div 1 top sportsman.i am putting all the money into the car.im changing everything.hope everything works out later johnny

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/04/12 11:04 AM

Okay..

Leaked the motor down.. All's well there.

#2 cylinder intake valve lash was set wrong.. Reset and it came right back up to the other cylinders.

Cut open the oil filter and it was clean..

Going to pull the pan and check bearings..

Better safe..

Drained 12qts of oil out of a 10qt pan and filter..

Couldn't possibly have sucked the pan dry..

Question

Could losing oil pressure at top end be attributed to the bypass valve in oil pump cover??

Pressure came up immediately after lifting at top end..

Chris..

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/04/12 05:06 PM

Maybe cavitating the oil pump? What was the stripe RPM?

In my opinion that Mildon pan, at least I think you have the Milodon one, is not the best at controlling windage, or keeping the pickup covered especially in the shutdown. I personally would not rule out that as a possiblity.

Have you had a chance to check the valvesprings yet??

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/04/12 05:09 PM

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Okay..

Leaked the motor down.. All's well there.

#2 cylinder intake valve lash was set wrong.. Reset and it came right back up to the other cylinders.

Cut open the oil filter and it was clean..

Going to pull the pan and check bearings.. Better safe..

Drained 12qts of oil out of a 10qt pan and filter..

Couldn't possibly have sucked the pan dry..

Question

Could losing oil pressure at top end be attributed to the bypass valve in oil pump cover??

Pressure came up immediately after lifting at top end..

Chris..

My first thaughts were that your lash settings had changed.............hopefully u figure out the rest.

Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/04/12 07:16 PM

Drained 12qts of oil out of a 10qt pan and filter..

Couldn't possibly have sucked the pan dry..

Question

Could losing oil pressure at top end be attributed to the bypass valve in oil pump cover??

Pressure came up immediately after lifting at top end..

Chris..

Evidently your motor did suck the pan dry just before your driver lifted at the top end

I have had oil pressure issues with the bypass valve sticking in the pump cover, it was not a intermittent now and then RPM related problem. It was stuck or it wasn't

I have seen my motor lose oil pressure momentarily at the end of a run when the oil level was down a quart, I know a lot of other racers with big oil pans say that it is normal for there motors to lose oil pressure at the other end when they lift, so they shut the motor off and put it into nuetral

Which oil pan and how many quarts are you running in it now? Something is amiss I fear, having ten quarts in and twelve quarts come out

Usually it is the other way around, especially on a new motor or one that has ben apart all the way and reassembled and reused the first time

The new oil fills all the nooks and crannys as well as th all the oil passages don't drain back

Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: Going Racing... Finally.. UPDATE MOTOR ISSUES - 01/04/12 09:01 PM

Car looks sensational, Chris! you'll get it figured out..

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/05/12 01:29 AM

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Maybe cavitating the oil pump? What was the stripe RPM?

In my opinion that Mildon pan, at least I think you have the Milodon one, is not the best at controlling windage, or keeping the pickup covered especially in the shutdown. I personally would not rule out that as a possiblity.

Have you had a chance to check the valve springs yet??

RPM about 7300..

Oil Pan is Milodon 31160 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MIL-31160/

Haven't checked the springs.. Don't have a tool to get them off while on the motor..

I need the one that Koffel sells..

Chris..

Attached picture 7001978-Valvespringtool.jpg

Posted By: tboomer

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/05/12 01:49 AM

Chris...I hope it is'nt too bad....Good luck!

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/05/12 06:19 AM

That an LSM took. Lance is a cool guy that makes some kick butt stuff. Find them here, or at Summit actually

http://www.lsmproducts.com/

Oh yeah IMO that is not the best pan out there, just sayin

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/05/12 07:32 AM

Would a scraper or different windage tray help..

Or just a different pan..

Going to order one of those SC-320's from LSM..

Chris..

Posted By: wesw

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/05/12 08:31 AM

if you need the tool for removing the springs on the head i have one that i made when i was running the B1MC heads that you can have if you want it. it has a short shaft for one cylinder at a time with old B1 stands to hold it and the tool to push down on the retainer. let me know if you want it. wes

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/05/12 08:43 AM

PM sent..

Chris..

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/05/12 04:42 PM

Chris all I am going to ad here is that there is HP to be found with the proper oil pan. Reducing windage, reducing oil in suspension are the reasons why. Also a better baffled pan will make sure there is oil there on decel..Just sayin

I am sure everyone has used that Milodon pan and never had a problem. Then again how many of them have tried something different. Let the flaming throwing begin

Posted By: 70dusterjohn

Re: Going Racing... Finally almost 4 years ago......... - 01/05/12 05:08 PM

We ran a home made pan for years, then went to a 8 qt charlie oil pan and when I would lift it would lose oil pressure, I switched to the mil. 10 qt and never had a problem after that. Not saying you could or don't but it seemed like it was not enough oil left in the pan on at the end of the run.