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Wiper linkage grommets replacement

Posted By: larrymopar360

Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/18/21 12:06 AM

Seriously? The grommets have to be replaced while inside the cowl area? That’s what it looks like and that’s how it reads to me and the factory service manual. The last time I did and he was on my diplomat and they were so hard to snap on I had to use a bench vice and these I’m going to have to do while in the cowl?! ‘79 W150. I don’t suppose there are any tricks to doing this.
Posted By: 3hundred

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/18/21 12:31 AM

The factory grommets have white lithium grease in the cavity already. Still pretty tough. Pull the cowl, remove the complete linkage assembly, replace grommets, now all you have to do in place is the one for the motor.
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/18/21 03:09 AM

I used a small c clamp and a socket.
Posted By: 3hundred

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/18/21 03:14 AM

Forgot to mention I usually use Channel locks, those I can maneuver into the cowl and put a bit of pressure on things.
Posted By: krautrock

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/18/21 03:24 AM

channel locks or pliers, two of them...one of each side of the bar you are trying to pop the bushing in...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/18/21 12:53 PM

taking the drive linkage out of the cowl is the easy way compared to wrestling around inside the cowl - I do all mine that way. Do yourself a big favor and take cell pics and / or mark the bits with masking tape because it's real easy to get one where another one belongs. I always end up popping another hood. The pivots are different L vs R, pay attention to marking on the bottom.
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/18/21 03:07 PM

I will definitely take pics. Buddy has socket welded to big pliers I borrow. I’ve just never seen one in which you cannot assemble entire set outside of cowl THEN maneuver in and bolt to motor.
Posted By: trw1982

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/18/21 10:35 PM

i took mine out and even with pics, i installed one wrong. put linage back in and had it backwards and the wipers would only go so far and then stop. rwg75 is correct paying attention is the big thing. i used the bushing from mopar dealer as they are way better than dormans.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/19/21 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by larrymopar360
I will definitely take pics. Buddy has socket welded to big pliers I borrow. I’ve just never seen one in which you cannot assemble entire set outside of cowl THEN maneuver in and bolt to motor.


Dunno what the FSM says but I do know ya can assemble the entire thing on the bench then slip it in.
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/19/21 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by RWG75
Originally Posted by larrymopar360
I will definitely take pics. Buddy has socket welded to big pliers I borrow. I’ve just never seen one in which you cannot assemble entire set outside of cowl THEN maneuver in and bolt to motor.


Dunno what the FSM says but I do know ya can assemble the entire thing on the bench then slip it in.
Really? On a '79? Dang it sure doesn't look like it. The openings are so small. Sorry wish I had a picture to post.
Posted By: basketcase

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/19/21 03:54 PM

these aren't that bad to do. mark the linkage before you take them apart, replace ALL the bushings, use a little grease and channel locks to pop them back on, and forget about it for another 30 years.
Posted By: 3hundred

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/19/21 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by larrymopar360
Originally Posted by RWG75
Originally Posted by larrymopar360
I will definitely take pics. Buddy has socket welded to big pliers I borrow. I’ve just never seen one in which you cannot assemble entire set outside of cowl THEN maneuver in and bolt to motor.


Dunno what the FSM says but I do know ya can assemble the entire thing on the bench then slip it in.
Really? On a '79? Dang it sure doesn't look like it. The openings are so small. Sorry wish I had a picture to post.


Get the linkage free of the wiper motor, unbolt the pivots, drop the whole assembly down, fish it out through one of the oblong holes on the side. Replace all the bushings on the bench, reinstall in the cowl, now all you need to wrestle with is the one bushing that connects to the motor. Factory bushings last the longest, been wrestling these things for near 40 years now. Had 4 Ramchargers, had to do them all, some multiple times.
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/19/21 08:53 PM

Okay will do. I have the factory bushings. I learned that lesson with my Diplomat up
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/20/21 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by 3hundred
, now all you need to wrestle with is the one bushing that connects to the motor.


do that one on the bench too - unbolt the drive crank from the motor. when it's all back together, run and park the motor before installing the arms.
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/20/21 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by RWG75
Originally Posted by 3hundred
, now all you need to wrestle with is the one bushing that connects to the motor.


do that one on the bench too - unbolt the drive crank from the motor. when it's all back together, run and park the motor before installing the arms.
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Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/21/21 02:49 AM

Just pull the wiper transmission assembly and replace the bushings.
Posted By: VL21

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/21/21 10:29 PM

RWG is on the money, of course you have to remove the wipers and cowl panel, then the nut that holds the arm to the motor, then the four that hold the transmissions in place,and fish the whole thing lengthwise thru one of those cowl holes, I think it is second from the right.

Swap the bushings on the bench,, and throw it all back in, easy peasy. Minus the cuts from sharp edges,assembling the transmissions wrong, etc.
When I got ready to put it back together, I goggled around and found this, and corrected what I screwed up the first time testing my memory.

It isn;t really as bad as what you think it will be, when the linkage is assembled right.

OOPS sorry, not smart enough to attach the image of the linkage, you'll have to goggle it yourself I have it saved but can't post it.
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/22/21 06:52 PM

I've done many of the assemblies on other Mopars I've had. It's just that when I pulled the cowl cover and removed the nut on the wiper motor and the three nuts on each wiper to free everything I suddenly saw how small the openings were to remove linkage (or more importantly to re-insert assembled linkages) and thought "no way". I've got one linkage alone is over two feet long, and tiny openings of about six inches and didn't see how on earth it's going to feed through without bending it. I haven't gone back to it yet but it sure looked impossible.

This picture isn't very good for showing things because I took it for windshield gasket but you can see how small openings are to maneuver back in assembled linkages. I thought maybe '79 and '80 were different. But you all are saying no so I guess I'll give it a shot. The openings are narrow and the cowl is not deep but I'll try.

Attached picture Windshield.jpeg
Posted By: Fat_Mike

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/22/21 10:38 PM

How's the seal on that windshield?
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/22/21 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Fat_Mike
How's the seal on that windshield?
I'm afraid to get it wet smile

I definitely took all advice. 3M primer, 3M butyl (I supplied both they had different brand butyl and no primer). Butyl both sides. Steele gasket this time Precision last time although Precision felt like very good quality. I try and keep out of the rain but I'll get caught in one. Right now I'm scraping the black plastidip off cowl as you can see and will sand and paint that area to protect and get back to wipers. up
Posted By: poorboy

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/23/21 12:01 AM

My glass guy wanted me to park my truck out in the sun for several days, says it helps the seals set.
He is coming by next week to install the windshield in my son's 87 Ramcharger. While he is here, he wants to run water over all the glass in my truck to be sure its sealed. Pretty hard to beat his attitude! Gene
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/23/21 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by poorboy
My glass guy wanted me to park my truck out in the sun for several days, says it helps the seals set.
He is coming by next week to install the windshield in my son's 87 Ramcharger. While he is here, he wants to run water over all the glass in my truck to be sure its sealed. Pretty hard to beat his attitude! Gene
Yeah that's pride in work! As far as the Sun drying it I'm not sure about mine because the butyl isn't supposed to actually dry so all I've done since he left is press the windshield from outside against the truck a few more times to hope it seats it as best as possible. I would've soaked it with hose while glass guys were at my house but I didn't even bother because even if it leaked I don't want them messing with it again.
Posted By: poorboy

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/23/21 12:49 AM

Sitting it in the sun has nothing to do with drying the material. Its about the sun warming the rubber so it will lay and settle into position. Also, though the butyl doesn't dry, it does become a lot less liquid like and sort of grabs onto the glass and the metal better after its a few months old.

My wife's PT got a cracked windshield (it was bonded in, no gasket), we had it replaced, but the installer cracked the new glass upon the installation (he was working alone), it had to set up for 3 weeks before they (2 guys the second time) could replace it because the butyl would have been too messed up to remove it. Even after 3 weeks, it was still pretty messy. The new windshield has been in the PT for 14 years, no leaks yet.

The glass has been in my truck for 4 or 5 months now and about the last month, its sat outside all the time, he wasn't going to water test it right after he installed it, he wanted it out in the sun for a while.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/23/21 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by larrymopar360
This picture isn't very good for showing things because I took it for windshield gasket but you can see how small openings are to maneuver back in assembled linkages.


We only said it fits and it works, nobody said it just slips together. One fun part is cork screwing the assembly in there only to have it end up upside down and yes, the cowl is a bit shallow to roll it over without "encouragement". Just be happy it isn't a car with hide away wipers where you have to work around the hood and hinges.
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/23/21 03:55 PM

yes it will all fish thru those small holes. if you want to wait till I bring your BB stuff over to save you some on shipping I can give you a hand with it. we are coming over to Vero Beach for the day, we always ride up to Melbourne beach as well and I was going to catch up with you while I am over on that side of state.
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/23/21 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by scratchnfotraction
yes it will all fish thru those small holes. if you want to wait till I bring your BB stuff over to save you some on shipping I can give you a hand with it. we are coming over to Vero Beach for the day, we always ride up to Melbourne beach as well and I was going to catch up with you while I am over on that side of state.
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Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/23/21 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by poorboy
Sitting it in the sun has nothing to do with drying the material. Its about the sun warming the rubber so it will lay and settle into position. Also, though the butyl doesn't dry, it does become a lot less liquid like and sort of grabs onto the glass and the metal better after its a few months old.

My wife's PT got a cracked windshield (it was bonded in, no gasket), we had it replaced, but the installer cracked the new glass upon the installation (he was working alone), it had to set up for 3 weeks before they (2 guys the second time) could replace it because the butyl would have been too messed up to remove it. Even after 3 weeks, it was still pretty messy. The new windshield has been in the PT for 14 years, no leaks yet.

The glass has been in my truck for 4 or 5 months now and about the last month, its sat outside all the time, he wasn't going to water test it right after he installed it, he wanted it out in the sun for a while.
Ahhh, got it. It will get some Sun time and then a rainy day. For now I have hope not knowing if it's sealed up or not.
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Wiper linkage grommets replacement - 06/23/21 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by RWG75
Originally Posted by larrymopar360
This picture isn't very good for showing things because I took it for windshield gasket but you can see how small openings are to maneuver back in assembled linkages.


We only said it fits and it works, nobody said it just slips together. One fun part is cork screwing the assembly in there only to have it end up upside down and yes, the cowl is a bit shallow to roll it over without "encouragement". Just be happy it isn't a car with hide away wipers where you have to work around the hood and hinges.
Haha I can definitely picture the upside down part. Okay I will stop arguing and believe you guys now....
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