Posted By: 76dodgeboy
International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/21/13 04:29 AM
Got a buddy that has a 90 Rc for sale and said its the last yr they used the international frames. His cousin "life long Mechanic" told him that so he believes him. Some people. Why would they decide after 10 yrs to used a dif frame and keep the same body style
. Just because they worked on cars sinse a kid and are supposedly a Mechanic doesnt mean they know what their talking about
I simply said Not true and if so why do truck crossmembers etc swap
Posted By: 76dodgeboy
Re: International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/21/13 04:32 AM
Now he's saying all older Dodge trucks/rc's used International frames till Dodge sold out and thats why it weighs 5000lbs instead of 3000lbs
Posted By: dogdays
Re: International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/21/13 05:03 PM
It is very possible that ChryslerCorp subcontracted the frames to International, especialy if International had extra capacity. I recently spent an hour talking to a retired AO Smith welder who made frames for most GM cars including Corvettes. He did have tales to tell. For example, every year the AO Smith guys would put a Chrysler on a full perimeter frame and give the Chrysler brass a ride, showing how much better it rode and how much quieter with the full frame, but ChryCo stuck to the unibody. Or, how, the tabs for the IFS on chevelles, etc, would get bent going down the line and had to be hammered back into line by the guys who put on the front suspension. That until someone invented the hydropierce machinery that punched the holes at the end of the line!
Remember, too, that a major US auto manufacturer had John Deere make blocks when the original manufacturer was short on capacity.
Why change frame manufacturers in the middle of a body style? $2.99 lower price per frame!
R.
Posted By: Polarapete
Re: International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/21/13 05:54 PM
I agree it is possible for manufacturers of all kinds of products to subcontract to rivals to keep the factories running. Witness the fact that during WW2 a lot of Jeeps were built by Ford! In my own experience, the Whirlpool corp makes a lot of appliances that are branded Sears Kenmore and some other private brands. It only makes sense!
Posted By: 3hundred
Re: International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/21/13 06:20 PM
Tower Automotive in Milwaukee has built truck frames for GM and Dodge for years and years.
Robert
Posted By: Handygun
Re: International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/21/13 10:18 PM
I've had a couple of Dodge trucks that supposedly had Checker built cabs
Posted By: hp383
Re: International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/22/13 05:46 AM
This same guy was also claiming that the "international" frame was a full box frame, not a channel frame like a standard truck frame would be.
And these "international" frames were leftover from International. IIRC the posting.
Posted By: savoy64
Re: International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/22/13 03:26 PM
ford owns alot of cummins stock and supposedly tried a hostile takeover that didnt work----chrysler has had a business arrangment with cummins since the 1950,s when they sold a diesel engine plant in england to cummins--they have been putting cummins engines into overseas chyslers/trucks for 60 years....bob
Posted By: 3hundred
Re: International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/22/13 04:48 PM
Ford, Case and another company I can't recall right now teamed up and bought 25% of Cummins stock to forestall a hostile take over attempt. Ford long ago divested themselves of the stock and their board position.
Robert
Posted By: 85_Ram_4speed
Re: International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/23/13 01:53 PM
I work for Cummins it is not owned by Ford. Ford had some stake in them some time ago, but sold it off. Many rumors and old information floating around out there, just because it is on the internet doesn't mean its true. A simple search even showed a internet post from 2003 that was 100% copied and reposted again in 2011. I find it funny how people always forget to look at dates--especially dredging up old internet posts.
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Posted By: Handygun
Re: International Made RC frames? LOL - 06/23/13 07:12 PM
There is a old rumour about Dodge and IH having an agreement about Dodge stepping out of the big truck market and IH getting out of the light duty as there are only so many hands in a deck of cards. My understanding was Dodge didn't want to upgrade thier trucks to meet NHTSA standards and the C cabs were very old trucks when they stopped making them. Thier were a couple of big gas V-8's that were IH motors availible in the last few years of C cab production to compete against the super duty ford gas v-8's and the big GMC v-6's and any of the other hot running,gas gulping,misfiring, pos gas truck motors of the era. But I never heard of IH frames in light duty trucks.Nor have I ever saw any markings that would warrent this.