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4 link setups

Posted By: BBD150

4 link setups - 05/06/13 03:57 AM

so im thinking about eliminating the leafs in my d100 and putting in a 4 link with coil overs. anyone else have a 4 link setup on their d series? im mostly going to drive it on the street. but plan on taking it to the drag strip from time to time. i was looking at the competition engineering 2017 and 2028 kits. im leaning towards the 2028. anyone have any other suggestions on a good kit to get?
Posted By: 76dodgeboy

Re: 4 link setups - 05/06/13 04:02 AM

Alot of money for the occasional strip run
Posted By: old_goat

Re: 4 link setups - 05/06/13 04:26 AM

If it's going to be a daily driver or even close, I would stick with the leaves. If tire clearance is your concern, move the leaves inboard. A 15x14 or maybe 15x15 will go under there with no frame mods...just by moving the springs, and some tub work. Yes, a leaf spring truck can hook up.
Just my
Posted By: Dragula

Re: 4 link setups - 05/06/13 12:09 PM

Ladder bars, super simple and hooks in a car wash...4-links are a pain. Also, its likely a 4-link will have the coil overs protrude thru the bed...

Posted By: BBD150

Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 12:13 AM

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Ladder bars, super simple and hooks in a car wash...4-links are a pain. Also, its likely a 4-link will have the coil overs protrude thru the bed...






your truck is one of my favorite d series trucks ive seen. did you eliminate the leafs? id love to see some more pictures of your setup. what brand coil overs did you use? did you buy a ladder bar kit or did you make it yourself?

im wanting to eliminate the leafs due to them being junk. plus im planning to lower
Posted By: hp383

Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 03:49 AM

You can also look at running ladder bars with leafs. There is a kit that allows the housing to "float" as needed to prevent binding with the leafs.

Pretty simple setup, and doesn't cost much if you can do the welding yourself.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Jegster/550/41013K/10002/-1
Posted By: onebadstepside

Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 04:26 AM

my vote is for ladder bars
Posted By: BBD150

Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 05:14 AM

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my vote is for ladder bars




thats a nice truck in your sig. any details on the lowering you did to it? i have 1 ton control arms to put on mine. yours is sitting about the height i want mine to sit.

im leaning that way. any suggestions on kits for the ladder bars and a kit for the coil overs? the leafs are going to get eliminated. like i said the ones on it now are junk and i dont want to pay to put another set on it. i dont see a point in buying ladder bars and putting leafs back on it.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cmb-15-0017/media/images

i was looking at this kit for coils. going to replace the shocks that it comes with eventually with air shocks.
Posted By: onebadstepside

Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 05:34 AM

I used a aftermarket lower control arm..its not all that great(its about all that was out there 8yrs ago)..if I had to over again I would use the 1 ton arms...I used 32 bars and qa1 shocks for the rear

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Posted By: onebadstepside

Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 05:36 AM

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Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 05:37 AM

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Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 05:38 AM

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Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 05:39 AM

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Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 05:44 AM

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Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 07:09 AM

A 4 bar system closely resembles a 4 link but is much more street friendly. Either way your going to have the replace the underbed gas tank with a fuel cell to make room unless you have a in cab tank.. .
http://artmorrison.com/rearsusp-kits.php
Posted By: Polarapete

Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 08:26 AM

I wish that I could just lift the body of my Ramcharger off the frame so that I could fabricate a rear suspension as nice as that one. Unfortunately I can't do that with the Ramcharger and just to grind the heads off the rivets holding the rear spring hangers to the frame and then using the air chisel to punch them out was a major PITA. But I am having fun in my garage!!!
Posted By: Dragula

Re: 4 link setups - 05/07/13 11:47 AM

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Ladder bars, super simple and hooks in a car wash...4-links are a pain. Also, its likely a 4-link will have the coil overs protrude thru the bed...






your truck is one of my favorite d series trucks ive seen. did you eliminate the leafs? id love to see some more pictures of your setup. what brand coil overs did you use? did you buy a ladder bar kit or did you make it yourself?

im wanting to eliminate the leafs due to them being junk. plus im planning to lower




Just an aftermarket set-up. I do not recall what brand, but I will look under it. No leafs. Rides and drives better than my diesel and nothing protrudes thru the bed.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: 4 link setups - 05/08/13 01:28 AM

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Also, its likely a 4-link will have the coil overs protrude thru the bed...




Explain why a coil over would mount higher on a 4 link vs a ladder bar set up?
Posted By: BBD150

Re: 4 link setups - 05/08/13 04:37 AM

Quote:

A 4 bar system closely resembles a 4 link but is much more street friendly. Either way your going to have the replace the underbed gas tank with a fuel cell to make room unless you have a in cab tank.. .
http://artmorrison.com/rearsusp-kits.php




i plan on putting a fuel cell in it. so all that space is free. so is there any disadvantages to competition engineering parts? im debating between these

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cmb-15-0017/overview/
http://www.jegs.com/i/Competition+Engineering/247/2006/10002/-1

or the street kit from artmorrison which runs about $720

if i order the CE kits i will weld most of it together.
Posted By: BulletBob

Re: 4 link setups - 05/08/13 05:11 AM

The so called street kits have 60' times all over the board in something that leaves hard Urethane is not as stiff as a hiem joint

How fast do you want to go? & how much street driving are you going to do?

I can tell you from past experience if you ride hiems on the street & you don't grease them regular your next launch may be into the next lane

You can run 10's with leaf springs cheap & lower it till the frame sits on the ground
Posted By: Dragula

Re: 4 link setups - 05/08/13 12:37 PM

Quote:

Quote:

A 4 bar system closely resembles a 4 link but is much more street friendly. Either way your going to have the replace the underbed gas tank with a fuel cell to make room unless you have a in cab tank.. .
http://artmorrison.com/rearsusp-kits.php




i plan on putting a fuel cell in it. so all that space is free. so is there any disadvantages to competition engineering parts? im debating between these

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cmb-15-0017/overview/
http://www.jegs.com/i/Competition+Engineering/247/2006/10002/-1

or the street kit from artmorrison which runs about $720

if i order the CE kits i will weld most of it together.




Yes you will need a fuel cell... stock tank will not fit...





Quote:

The so called street kits have 60' times all over the board in something that leaves hard Urethane is not as stiff as a hiem joint

How fast do you want to go? & how much street driving are you going to do?

I can tell you from past experience if you ride hiems on the street & you don't grease them regular your next launch may be into the next lane

You can run 10's with leaf springs cheap & lower it till the frame sits on the ground




X2
And I agree with that...Mine are solid mounted Heims, not poly. Just WD40them once in a while and keep an eye out for excessive wear...
Posted By: BBD150

Re: 4 link setups - 05/08/13 01:07 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

A 4 bar system closely resembles a 4 link but is much more street friendly. Either way your going to have the replace the underbed gas tank with a fuel cell to make room unless you have a in cab tank.. .
http://artmorrison.com/rearsusp-kits.php




i plan on putting a fuel cell in it. so all that space is free. so is there any disadvantages to competition engineering parts? im debating between these

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cmb-15-0017/overview/
http://www.jegs.com/i/Competition+Engineering/247/2006/10002/-1

or the street kit from artmorrison which runs about $720

if i order the CE kits i will weld most of it together.




Yes you will need a fuel cell... stock tank will not fit...





Quote:

The so called street kits have 60' times all over the board in something that leaves hard Urethane is not as stiff as a hiem joint

How fast do you want to go? & how much street driving are you going to do?

I can tell you from past experience if you ride hiems on the street & you don't grease them regular your next launch may be into the next lane

You can run 10's with leaf springs cheap & lower it till the frame sits on the ground




X2
And I agree with that...Mine are solid mounted Heims, not poly. Just WD40them once in a while and keep an eye out for excessive wear...




im going to do lots more street driving then racing with it. but im eliminating the leafs. as ive said before the current set is junk. right now im interested in how good the CE stuff is. or a recommendation of another brand.

dragula: i like how you hid the fuel cell, and i was thinking about that last night.what do you have on the bottom side of the tank to protect it from road hazzards?
Posted By: Dragula

Re: 4 link setups - 05/08/13 02:51 PM






im going to do lots more street driving then racing with it. but im eliminating the leafs. as ive said before the current set is junk. right now im interested in how good the CE stuff is. or a recommendation of another brand.

dragula: i like how you hid the fuel cell, and i was thinking about that last night.what do you have on the bottom side of the tank to protect it from road hazzards?




Its .110" thick aluminum. If that gets punctured, I am sure other stuff is worse off...I put over 2000 miles on my truck last summer alone...Its a driver. Turn the key and go, and it has OD...
Posted By: BBD150

Re: 4 link setups - 05/09/13 04:40 AM

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im going to do lots more street driving then racing with it. but im eliminating the leafs. as ive said before the current set is junk. right now im interested in how good the CE stuff is. or a recommendation of another brand.

dragula: i like how you hid the fuel cell, and i was thinking about that last night.what do you have on the bottom side of the tank to protect it from road hazzards?




Its .110" thick aluminum. If that gets punctured, I am sure other stuff is worse off...I put over 2000 miles on my truck last summer alone...Its a driver. Turn the key and go, and it has OD...




ok. i think ive seen a few pictures of how you mounted it. i might box mine in with sheetmetal back there just to give it some extra protection. i plan on gutting the bed and putting new sheet metal in. i have just been trying to figure out where to put the fuel cell so that its easy to get to at a pump. i plan on driving mine alot too. mostly to car shows though.

im still deciding on which ladder bar and coil over kits to go with.
Posted By: Dragula

Re: 4 link setups - 05/09/13 11:55 AM

Well, the best place for the fuel pump with easy access IS in the tank...


Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: 4 link setups - 05/09/13 02:58 PM

In order to drag race it NHRA requires the cell to be protected in the front, sides and bottom to be legal to go down the track..
Posted By: BBD150

Re: 4 link setups - 05/12/13 01:35 AM

so due to some time constrictions im going to stick a set of leafs back under it till this winter when i will swap in the ladder bars.

to lower the back im going to flip the axle. what am i getting into with that? what do i do to move the alignment pads? just cut them off and weld them back on or is there an easier way to flip the axle?
Posted By: BulletBob

Re: 4 link setups - 05/12/13 04:02 AM

I use Mopar Performance perches $12.00 or so a set

I relocate the E brake cables when I flip
When you flip you get at least 5 if not 5 1/2" of drop that bracket is the last thing in what I call the dragline zone
It also relieves stress on the cables

Here's a pic of that bracket relocated

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Posted By: BulletBob

Re: 4 link setups - 05/12/13 04:30 AM

I also moved the lever up too
Posted By: BBD150

Re: 4 link setups - 05/12/13 07:02 AM

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I use Mopar Performance perches $12.00 or so a set

I relocate the E brake cables when I flip
When you flip you get at least 5 if not 5 1/2" of drop that bracket is the last thing in what I call the dragline zone
It also relieves stress on the cables

Here's a pic of that bracket relocated




so cut off the old and weld on the new then?

also the ebrake stuff is getting cut off. cable is froze and i cant think of a time when ill ever need it.
Posted By: Polarapete

Re: 4 link setups - 05/12/13 04:24 PM

BulletBob,
I am glad you brought up the e-brake relocation. I saved all the hardware when I pulled the 8.25 and since I am using the Ford Racing Drum Brake kit with the Dana 60, I will be able to easily mate the Dodge cables to the Ford e-brake lever. I am a believer in e-brakes. When I am trailering the Ramcharger the shifter will be in park, the e-brake set and the truck will be strapped or chained to the trailer. Taking off the e-brake mechanism saves only a few pounds and gives up your last option in an emergency. Not worth it!!!
Posted By: 76dodgeboy

Re: 4 link setups - 05/12/13 05:52 PM

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so cut off the old and weld on the new then?.




You answered your own question. If the old is being Cut off that means it was welded.
Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: 4 link setups - 05/12/13 06:43 PM

with the work you need to do to get it on the road, its faster to do the ladder bars now.
Posted By: BBD150

Re: 4 link setups - 05/13/13 03:31 AM

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with the work you need to do to get it on the road, its faster to do the ladder bars now.




i have to change all the front suspension over. fix the rear suspension. clean and paint the frame, which might need some spots repaired. not sure of condition yet. get and install a fuel cell. pull out the v6 in it and drop in the big block and auto. i was planning on getting a d60 for it if i can find one reasonable. i want to keep the stock lug pattern which i believe is 4.5x5. then some wiring work and body work and painted by the end of july.

i have my work cut out for me. but a couple weekends i should have the majority of the suspension work done and the motor and trans sat in.
Posted By: 76dodgeboy

Re: 4 link setups - 05/13/13 03:40 AM

If it has a V6 the bolt pattern is 5x5.5" Same as Ford truck. 84 was last yr for 4.5" bp. You can swap it to 4.5 just by swapping to 80-84 Rotors and if your swapping out the rear for a car D60 its already 4.5. Might be cheaper to get a truck D60 and have the ends cut and the car ends installed and new axles. Car ones seem to ne $700+ when you can get a tuck one for as little as $150 than $300 for new axles with green bearings from Doctor Diff and maybe $150 for car ends to be installed
Posted By: BBD150

Re: 4 link setups - 05/16/13 03:54 AM

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If it has a V6 the bolt pattern is 5x5.5" Same as Ford truck. 84 was last yr for 4.5" bp. You can swap it to 4.5 just by swapping to 80-84 Rotors and if your swapping out the rear for a car D60 its already 4.5. Might be cheaper to get a truck D60 and have the ends cut and the car ends installed and new axles. Car ones seem to ne $700+ when you can get a tuck one for as little as $150 than $300 for new axles with green bearings from Doctor Diff and maybe $150 for car ends to be installed




thats actually good info to keep in mind. i want to go to a 4.5 bolt pattern because i feel like ill have a wider access to rims. i have a d60 housing. who would i send it to to have it converted to a car?

id eventually like to get a set of 33 inch slicks under it that actually fit in the fender wells. so id imagine that a car 60 with a set of offset rims would be my best bet.
Posted By: 76dodgeboy

Re: 4 link setups - 05/16/13 04:06 AM

Doctor Diff can do it but any local axle shop around you should be able to do it.
Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: 4 link setups - 05/16/13 03:31 PM

You will never get 33s insyde the fenders without tubing and frame work..
Posted By: BulletBob

Re: 4 link setups - 05/17/13 01:14 AM

My Shortbed will wear 16X33X15 Goodyears when finished with this

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Posted By: BBD150

Re: 4 link setups - 05/17/13 02:23 AM

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You will never get 33s insyde the fenders without tubing and frame work..




well aware of having to tub it. im already going to be cutting into the bed for the fuel cell and battery tray.

and bob, i would like to see some more pictures of that axle housing. that thing looks quite beefy.
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: 4 link setups - 05/17/13 03:34 AM

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My Shortbed will wear 16X33X15 Goodyears when finished with this




why is it offset like that?

looks ferd to me that way.
Posted By: BulletBob

Re: 4 link setups - 05/17/13 05:11 AM

It's a Fab 9

When I get the Mustang out to straighten up I'll get some more pics
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