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How to cure wheel hop on a short bed?

Posted By: stumpy

How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/08/13 10:03 PM

Just finished putting the new truck to gether and took it for a ride. Nailed the gas and the bucking commenced.I have air shocks that I haven't added air to yet and I don't know if that woul;d make it worse or better. any cures that don't cost am arm and a leg?

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Posted By: stumpy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/08/13 10:03 PM

Interior.

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Posted By: stumpy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/08/13 10:17 PM

The important part.

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Posted By: 76dodgeboy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/08/13 10:25 PM

Try with air in the shocks. If that works maybe add a couple leafs to the packs. Traction bars, ladder bars caltracs
Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/09/13 01:02 AM

Clamp the front segments so they cant seperate. My shorty will fry the tires into 2nd gear with 0 wheel hop. When the power is dumped my rearend really squats and the front lifts fast so maybe thats why mine wont wheelhop.
Posted By: BulletBob

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/09/13 03:11 AM

I've used Caltracs before if you don't clamp the springs tight they will make the rear jump up & unload the tires
The Comp engineering set with the rubber joint didn't seem to hit so hard & created less shock

Stumpy I don't know if you want to level it or not But you might want to try cutting the rear segment on the bottom two leaves this with clamping them helps kill wheelhop
I did that on a ShortBed 440 truck that I had that ran 7.40'S 1/8 mile with totally stock suspension budget modified & using drag shocks & /6 springs 29X10.5 Required
I put 200# ballast bar on the very end of the frame with the battery & fuel cell back there too.
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/09/13 03:45 AM

thats why I like a shackle flip with axle floped ontop of the springs

no wheel hop just spins or hooks.

the axle under set up has always made the rear of a truck jump around,the shackle in stock position flops back and forth as it wheel hops/bounce/rebound

with it flip and the weight loading the shackle and spring it does a much better job controling the wrap up in the springs.

the way the leverage is applied to the spring makes all the difference. IMHO

you can make a traction bar that goes under the u-bolts on top of the spring.

make a plate with an anchor/pivot point and bolt it under the u-bolts on top of leaf spring.

make a rod with a heim joint on one end and a threded stud on the other end.

drill a hole in the front spring mount and use rubbers and washer from a front shock on the stud end and hanger.

done this for a few 4x4s when running the axle under spring,makes a nice traction bar and is up out of the way.

this will elimnate wheel hop on the cheap.
Posted By: Chilort

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/09/13 04:59 AM

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you can make a traction bar that goes under the u-bolts on top of the spring.

make a plate with an anchor/pivot point and bolt it under the u-bolts on top of leaf spring.

make a rod with a heim joint on one end and a threded stud on the other end.

drill a hole in the front spring mount and use rubbers and washer from a front shock on the stud end and hanger.

done this for a few 4x4s when running the axle under spring,makes a nice traction bar and is up out of the way.

this will elimnate wheel hop on the cheap.




Photos? I'll have my junk back on the road some year and I'll likely need something like this.
Posted By: redraptor

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/09/13 01:09 PM

Stumpy, first off the truck looks great so far.
The clamping of the front segments works good and I even went as far as making traction bars that welded to the bottom of the spring plates. Eliminated the wheel hop but those are band-aid fixes for worn springs and bushings.
I eventually upgraded to new 3/4 ton springs and didn't need any of it. Stock LRE springs are by the numbers 3/4 ton springs with 1/2 ton hardware.
Lastly, throw away those air shocks. What shocks did you run on the old truck?
Posted By: 70Cuda383

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/09/13 04:06 PM

My dakota would wheel hop badly. especially if it was wet out and traction was even more limited.

I clamped the front section with home made bar stock. and 4 nuts/bolts.

ended all my wheel hop issues.

I can't say that it improved my traction any, because I just use hard street tires, but at least the springs quit hopping around.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/09/13 05:37 PM

The same shocks.
Posted By: 11secdart

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/09/13 06:09 PM

I clamped the front spring sections and put on a set of $20 traction bars I got at Carlisle. I also took out the air shocks and put in a pair of B body Rancho shocks I had laying around. It worked well.

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Posted By: GO_Fish

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/10/13 03:43 AM

Dag, you didn't waste any time on that swap! Time to swap the springs from the old truck?
Posted By: stumpy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/10/13 05:03 AM

Three weeks start to finish in my driveway. The springs from the old truck wouldn't work because they are rearched 4".
Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/10/13 05:14 AM

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Three weeks start to finish in my driveway. The springs from the old truck wouldn't work because they are rearched 4".




Perfect time to mount the axle on top of those springs..
Posted By: rickstershemi

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/10/13 06:17 AM

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thats why I like a shackle flip with axle floped ontop of the springs

no wheel hop just spins or hooks.

the axle under set up has always made the rear of a truck jump around, the shackle in stock position flops back and forth as it wheel hops/bounce/rebound

with it flip and the weight loading the shackle and spring it does a much better job controling the wrap up in the springs.

the way the leverage is applied to the spring makes all the difference. IMHO

you can make a traction bar that goes under the u-bolts on top of the spring.

make a plate with an anchor/pivot point and bolt it under the u-bolts on top of leaf spring.

make a rod with a heim joint on one end and a threded stud on the other end.

drill a hole in the front spring mount and use rubbers and washer from a front shock on the stud end and hanger.

done this for a few 4x4s when running the axle under spring,makes a nice traction bar and is up out of the way.

this will elimnate wheel hop on the cheap.




Mine didn't....haha you witnessed that

Rickster
Posted By: redraptor

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/10/13 01:05 PM

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The same shocks.



Hmmm. Well you don't have to do everything at once.
Posted By: 76dodgeboy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/10/13 03:54 PM

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thats why I like a shackle flip with axle floped ontop of the springs

no wheel hop just spins or hooks.

the axle under set up has always made the rear of a truck jump around, the shackle in stock position flops back and forth as it wheel hops/bounce/rebound

with it flip and the weight loading the shackle and spring it does a much better job controling the wrap up in the springs.

the way the leverage is applied to the spring makes all the difference. IMHO

you can make a traction bar that goes under the u-bolts on top of the spring.

make a plate with an anchor/pivot point and bolt it under the u-bolts on top of leaf spring.

make a rod with a heim joint on one end and a threded stud on the other end.

drill a hole in the front spring mount and use rubbers and washer from a front shock on the stud end and hanger.

done this for a few 4x4s when running the axle under spring,makes a nice traction bar and is up out of the way.

this will elimnate wheel hop on the cheap.




Mine didn't....haha you witnessed that

Rickster


None of my truck have wheel hopped either
Posted By: 76dodgeboy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/10/13 03:56 PM

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Three weeks start to finish in my driveway. The springs from the old truck wouldn't work because they are rearched 4".



Why wouldnt they work
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/11/13 01:51 AM

for my 95 sport Dak w/ 5.2 5 speed, I extended the "snubers" on the frame rails down to aboout 3/4" away from the axle tubes. They looked sort of like this... works really well.

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Posted By: stumpy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/11/13 03:18 AM

Because it would raise the back end 4" higher and it's high enough as it is. I don't want to do the axle flip because it would lower the truck and take away the tire clearance I need for the 315/60/15 Et streets.
Posted By: 70Cuda383

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/11/13 03:36 PM

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Because it would raise the back end 4" higher and it's high enough as it is. I don't want to do the axle flip because it would lower the truck and take away the tire clearance I need for the 315/60/15 Et streets.




but...if you ADDED 4" from re-arched springs, then did an axle flip which normally takes away 3.5-4"....you'd end up pretty much right back where you are
Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/11/13 04:20 PM

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Because it would raise the back end 4" higher and it's high enough as it is. I don't want to do the axle flip because it would lower the truck and take away the tire clearance I need for the 315/60/15 Et streets.




but...if you ADDED 4" from re-arched springs, then did an axle flip which normally takes away 3.5-4"....you'd end up pretty much right back where you are




thats why I mentioned it in the first place..
Posted By: 76dodgeboy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/11/13 05:02 PM

It actually is more like 4-6"
The tube diameter+sping perch+sping pack.
You could always do the axle flip and if too low do the shackle flip aswell like Scratch. If they were arched 4" itll sit like a 4wd since their blocks are close to 4" tall
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/11/13 09:48 PM

I removed the thick bottom overload leaf from the stock D-100 long bed springs.

I just put them back under the 440 truck. tthis is how it sits.

to me it looks about like what you got -/+ 1 inch in the pic you have in the driveway.

even though I have it tubbed with a wider wheel/tire combo it sits just a tad lower than the 85 stepside which i UN-flip floped back to stock with a 235/75/15 tire.

are you against tubbing the bed for more wheel/tire?

IMHO,I think the only thing holding up more rim backset is the stock wheel tub.

join the group and chop your 8 3/4 to A-body specs and stuff some 12s with fattys under it.



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Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/11/13 09:49 PM



looks about like yours to me... -/+ an inch



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Posted By: stumpy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/11/13 10:55 PM

I used some homemade clamps and added air to the shocks and no more wheel hop. I'm using a A body width with a 1" spacer to get the wheels out from the frame with out tubbing.
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/12/13 03:18 AM

if you have a A-body 8 3/4 (axle 28") with 1" wheel spacers,you could use the E-body housing with 30" axles to do the same thing.

you might have just givin me the rim back space for the E-body housing I have in a d-150.

you said they were 10" with 4.5 backset correct? what size tire did you say?
Posted By: stumpy

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/12/13 03:45 AM

315/60/15. I just went out and measured and it's 53" from backing plate to backing plate. 43.5" center of perch to center of perch. The top edge of the tire comes out even with the outer fender edge. That is why I like the extra tall stance of the stock springs.
Posted By: redraptor

Re: How to cure wheel hop on a short bed? - 02/15/13 12:39 AM

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315/60/15.



Sweet!
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