man reacts to new alcohol guidelines health Canada

Caught him leaving the booze store

Check out many fingers he throws up when se says " 4 beers", lol

How much money do you think our government pissed away on this research that will benefit ... nobody !!!

I guess he can`t do the math. LOL

I don't drink beer, but he does have a point, what business is it of any government how much of anything the guy drinks at home? Concern about health is Bull Dung.

Canada has "free" health care so they feel like they can stick their noses into your habits, deem them unhealthy and force you to change or deny your health care.

I agree.

I work for a state agency and I can tell you how this often comes to be.

When somebody gets elected the chances are they are a lawyer.

The first thing they do is hire their friends who also are usually lawyers.

A lawyers job is making paperwork.

Lets say that the government is running along fine and everything is good. These lawyers get bored. What do bored lawyers do? They request studies, make changes to laws, anything to create junk paperwork.

Yep. He really does have a point although it was kind of unpleasant to get it lol. He makes a couple good points. None of their business although as you wrote poorboy they can say it is now with "free" (free my azz) healthcare they can stick their nose in, and his point about soda being just as bad is a good one. Where do they stop? Limits on bacon, burgers, fries.....

LMAO ask Canadian's about their free health care and the cost of cigs, alcohol, and everything compared to the USA. My neighbor in Arizona left Canada when he couldn't get the healthcare he needed in a timely manner but it was free.

Beer is good for your teeth.

Yeah right? So you have more than your prescribed 2 beer a week and you get denied healthcare. But you can put all the cocaine, meth and heroin up your snout as you please, and they'll continue to bring you back to life to consume more of that garbage.

Methinks Trudeau has some sort of agreement with some Columbian Drug lords.

Haven't you heard? As of January 31st, here in BC.... possession of Cocaine, Methamphetamines, Heroin and a multitude of other hard core narcotics have been for the most part decriminalized. Some dude in Vancouver is trying to open the worlds' first HARDCORE drug store.

Can I PLEASE move to the USA??? This Canada thing is getting too ridiculous for me. I just want to build my cars, have some soda pops, eat my hamburgers and live my life in peace. I'll be no trouble. Honest!!



Not to mention.... Canada's "Free" healthcare system is a joke. Unless you live in the major centres.... there's next to nothing out there for reasonable care.
My hometown had a hospital from 1951 to 2009. In that time, the town went from a village, to a full blown city of over 10,000 people. But in 2009 they said there's not enough people to support the hospital. So they shut 'er down. We don't even have 24-hour emergency service anymore.

I had a coworker a few years ago.... he was new in town.... bicycled his butt to the hospital with an aching jaw only to find emergency room not open. He waited there in the freezing cold until they opened, they told him since it was dental they couldn't do a thing - pumped him full of morphine and threw him back out in the street. Turns out, he had an abscessed tooth. I phoned *MY* dentist and asked for a personal favour and that he see my friend *TODAY*. Thankfully, my dentist is an amazing guy and later that day, yanked my co workers tooth out to the tune of $250 (yeah, I had to pay for that, too!!) But whatever.

But that's the sort of thing happening in Canada right now. My buddy might have DIED had that tooth gone septic.


I once went to the hospital complaining of breathing difficulties. They told me their was nothing wrong with me. But my heart rate was through the roof and they were about to admit me to the heart attack ward. Until I literally had to scream at them (with every last ounce of breath I had) that "IF I CAN'T BREATHE, DON'T YOU THINK I'D BE A LITTLE FRIGHTENED AND MAYBE THAT IS THE CAUSE OF MY ELEVATED HEART RATE?" Frickin' Imbeciles.


The other funny thing happening in BC right now is that sales of "bootleg" cigarettes are through the roof. They figure over 200% and the "province" is losing revenue because of it. Yes, seriously.... bootleg cigarettes. Because on the Reservations, the Natives don't have to pay taxes! So they buy taxless tobacco by the truckload, and then sell it to the white folks at an appreciable markup, but still below retail costs.

Works out great for the Indians. But the Provincial Government is crying their faces off because of "lost revenue". Awww. Poor babies. Maybe had they not jacked up the prices so ridiculously, people would not have sought out alternatives.

Same thing with the "freedom seed planter" buy back BS. All it does is turn the average Canadian to the black market.

Humorous. Since the laws against illegal drugs work so well, let's have more guidelines and laws against alcohol that will also be ignored.

AMC Guy, you are welcome to come to the USA.

I suggest you come through the southern US boarder. That way you can get transportation to somewhere nice, get to live free in a 4 star hotel, full government supplied free health care (better then you have now), a phone, free food, and a cash supplement.

I'm considering giving it a try myself.

My name Jose Jimenez.

I want to move to the states too, and become an American, but it doesn’t look like I can unless I fly to Mexico first and walk back north eh.

Before we go off into crazy conspiracy theory land, it's a recommendation that basically says drinking alcohol is bad for you, and can cause cancer. Like nobody knew that before?

Nobody is telling you that you can't have more than 2 drinks per week, they are just giving information about the health risks involved with drinking so you can make your own decision. It's like a public service. The news media has put a lot of attention on it because they know people like to drink, and will be upset that doctors' recommendations have changed - and hopefully they can stir up controversy among those who won't understand that it's just information and will think it's some sort of overreach...

FWIW, you can still smoke as many cigarettes as you want to in Canada, even though everybody knows it causes cancer. You can even smoke as much weed as you want here... legally (although it doesn't interest me, personally). The govt is not in the business of controlling peoples' personal choices (in actuality it benefits from tax collected on such purchases).

I think the dude with the tooth is funny, and the reporter kinda mislead the guy to let him believe that the government was telling him how much he could drink... probably sat outside the store looking for somebody that they could get a good reaction from, so they could get clicks... like everybody who watched it as a result of this thread.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I already hear people in the US demanding people with behaviors they do not approve of be denied or charged more for health care. The company I work for charges $50 more a month for health insurance if you smoke and another $50 if your spouse smokes. Won;t take too much longer before some politician notices they are missing out on that "fee" and wants to make it universal.

There are a few on this site that the majority of us here would be willing to make a swap for if you can get Canada to take them.

Yeah, private insurance companies have been doing that forever. For example, in Canada when you buy life insurance, it's more expensive if you are a smoker. The govt healthcare is not set up like that. If you are a smoker you get the same healthcare as a non-smoker. It comes out of everybody's taxes so nobody is singled out. Likewise other unhealthy habits, like eating fattening food, drinking alcohol, smoking pot, skydiving, motor racing, or even illegally driving recklessly on a highway and causing a car accident in which you are injured will not get you denied healthcare. It's just not the way it is set up, and it would be political suicide for any politician to ever suggest denying healthcare due to lifestyle choices. Nobody's talking about it, and it will never happen. I think a lot of people have overactive imaginations because of Covid, and other societal issues or political beliefs (mostly brought about by stuff they read/watch on the internet).

Mind you, that's not saying that govt healthcare is perfect. Canadian politicians have underfunded healthcare for decades, allowing it to slip to the point where it was just functioning on the edge of collapse (or just below, IMHO, as cracks were already showing before Covid). Covid put it over the edge, or at least brought out how badly it has been mismanaged by each province (healthcare is managed provincially in Canada. Note: a province in Canada is equivalent to a state in the US). Now, polling in Canada is showing that one of peoples' top concerns is the state of healthcare, and the politicians are scrambling to throw money at it to get it fixed. They know that they will not get votes if they don't do something to fix the mess that it has become.

That's just some back information. The main contention that alcohol consumption recommendations will lead to hard limits leading to denied healthcare are completely false, and without merit in any way, shape, or form. I'll tell you, Canadians generally like their drink, and any politician who tried to put this into play would get voted out so fast they wouldn't know what hit them. That's a fact.

Also, there have always been alcohol consumption recommendations... it used to be 2 drinks per day for men, and 1 drink per day for women. Yet... people have been freely buying and drinking as much alcohol as they want for as long as I can remember. Health recommendation for smoking has long been 'don't smoke'... but people still buy them and smoke them, get lung cancer and get cancer treatment in hospitals. Nobody is intentionally denied healthcare.

Which is different than the fact that underfunded and understaffed healthcare has been causing hospitals to close, or to randomly shut down their ER because they don't have the personnel to staff it. Heck, a woman at a rural hospital about 2 hours away from me went to the ER for severe abdominal pains, and was waiting in the understaffed ER for 6 hours and eventually died. Had she received proper treatment, she would have lived, and she was a wife and mother of 2 in her thirties! Totally unacceptable, and the citizens will not stand for it - they are demanding that this get fixed but unfortunately it takes many years to build it back up. Not to mention that medical school spots have been limited, and many graduates end up practicing in the more-lucrative US hospitals. On the other hand, I'm not sure that a poorer person in the US without healthcare insurance would have had any better treatment than that woman who died locally - I mean, I really don't know because I have no experience with private healthcare driven by insurance funding.

Regardless, I'm not here to debate govt healthcare vs privately paid healthcare, but I hate to see bad information being tossed around as if it were real. I don't want to say any more as I think I am getting too close to this being about politics... and I don't want to go there.

I can already tell you that the military will deny all benefits is you are hurt drunk driving. If you get hurt you get no health benefits/coverage. If you die you survivors get squat. So it is already happening.

Before long we will have this....

Sounds like they offer a fair deal. Get me a Gentalman Jack on the rocks.

Nobody in any free world country works for free, Canada health care is paid for by the tax paying citizens including the government employees running (ruining ) that system

I don't drink beer anymore (I might drink alcohol maybe twice a year) but if I were to go to Canada on vacation and was told I can't eat or drink whatever I want, then maybe staying in the USA is a better choice for a vacation.

But nobody here is telling you what you can, or can't, eat or drink in Canada. I'm not sure where people get the idea that you are being prohibited from eating or drinking whatever you want. It's a mystery to me.

BTW, do people here remember that the US tried prohibition in the 1920s and 30s? So, likewise, if the US brings back prohibition, I wouldn't want to travel there, as I like to have a beer or a glass of wine every now and then, like I can in my own country.

Nobody should be able to tell anybody what they can eat or drink. However, if eating or drinking something might cause cancer, I'd like to know so that I can make an informed decision about it...

So, from what you say they are doing it in the USA, but I'm saying that's not the case in Canada. In Canada that person who is drinking and driving would still get healthcare (and be fully prosecuted under the law, plus will probably at least lose their job). There is a clear delineation between the clauses included in contracts from privately run insurance companies (the US situation) and government provided health care (the Canadian situation). In Canada, there is the Canada Health Act: "The Act sets out the primary objective of Canadian health care policy, which is "to protect, promote and restore the physical and mental well-being of residents of Canada and to facilitate reasonable access to health services without financial or other barriers."". I don't know if the US has similar legislation, though, as I think that even poor people can get basic health care in the US - I really don't know how it works there.

As I've stated in posts above, Canada's system is not perfect - in fact IMHO it's in bad shape now - but that doesn't change the facts of what it is intended to do... and how different it is from privately funded (through purchased health insurance), or 'pay as you go' healthcare that the US has, for better or worse.

I'm not debating or competing here. I'm just trying to present the facts of how it really works in Canada, yet some don't seem to want to believe it. I don't blame people for having an Orwellian outlook on how things can deteriorate if left unchecked, but you have to weigh your sources and try to keep a grasp on how things really are. I've watched some of these youtube wonders who spout their conspiracy theories, and often you can shoot holes in whatever they are saying within the first 10 seconds. So even though somebody is saying something that aligns with what you want to hear, it doesn't mean that it's true.

That would motivate me to increase my alcohol consumption...

I think canada would be happy to get them as the have the right mindset ... head up their az ...

Nice!

I'm out of this conversation. Have fun with it.

I don't think you understand what I am saying. Stupid ideas breed like rabbits. In 10 years some genius politician in Canada will think it's a good idea and before long you'll have it too. It is a warning of what is to come, not what is now.

YEP - it's coming! ANYTHING you can imagine, .gov has already thought of it!

Didnt new york already do a soda tax a few years ago? Probably why he brought up the 2 liters of pop. What it worse for you, 2L of pop or 3 beers?



There was a study from years ago that said A LOT of beer helped fend off cancer but since the amount needed was so much they coudn't push it, was like 12 a day or more.

I completely understand what you are saying, and agree to a certain extent (except I think that I tend to have a more optimistic viewpoint of humankind). All I was saying is that there are key difference in profit-driven healthcare (especially in the insurance aspect) and publicly funded healthcare. There are pluses and minuses to each, and we all have our reasons for preferring one over the other.

Regardless, even if I were to be incredibly cynical, I stand by my opinion that banning alcohol consumption that exceeds 2 drinks per week (or some other random medical recommendation) is never gonna happen here. As long as we retain our democracy, then the offenders will be voted out faster than a top fuel car covers the 1320...

THis is NOT a "Democracy" you people.....