GM isn't done with V8s just yet.......

"GM announced on Friday that it would be spending $854 million to make its sixth-generation small block V8, and $64 million to help its EV efforts, in news that sounds like it belongs in a different year but isn’t. The news also confirms that a sixth-generation small block V8 is happening, which GM says it intends to use to “strengthen its industry-leading full-size truck and SUV business.”

The fifth-generation V8 is currently used in a variety of cars, trucks, and SUVs in a variety of configurations, from the base C8 Corvettes to some versions of the Sierra. News that there will be a sixth-gen comes as only a small surprise, as GM expects to still be selling a lot of gas trucks and SUVs for years to come, likely in part because towing range in electric vehicles still sucks."

https://jalopnik.com/gm-is-investing-almost-1-billion-in-new-v8-engines-1850013640

Dodge has to be beyond nervous at this point

What is the future of the Ram trucks? Has anyone heard?

Sounds like GM is playing it smart. The push to electric at the pace it's going isn't because of normal market forces. It's going to hit a wall sooner or later and autos that went in too hard on electric are going to be in a real lurch.

Totally agree, I don't mind going electric but they all are just pushing too hard.

Don't think Chrysler's Hurricane engines are going to be as successful as the whole 3rd Gen Hemi era has been. Even though they will get better mileage and make more power except for Hellcats.

Buy a good extension cord.

Or tow a diesel generator to recharge the truck.

I personally do not think it would be crazy to design and build a big cube spark ignition V8 that could run on gasoline, propane, cng, or butanol, and push it for 18 wheel trucks.
Maybe pay Mazda to co-develop it.

Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel with DEF fluid and particulate filters is no longer the low cost per 500,000 mile option.

I was asking about the drive system rather than the cosmetics.

Judging by the little door on the fender, they are planning on electric trucks. I just hope that is not all they are developing. Many do not think that battery trucks are anywhere near ready for prime time. I don't either.

I don't think we are ready for all electric anything at the current time (no pun intended) Possibly for commuting in congested cities but they still have to be recharged and I'm also not sure our electrical grid is ready for that demand.
no tryin to go political here but this BIG push seemed to jump ahead after the last election and I wonder WHO is doing the pushing? Would not surprise me on bit if Musk is deeply involved. The other question is why the oil companies are being so quiet
As my old German boss would say "I thenk I smells in de air" LOL
BTW that was a really bad thing if you happened to be the one stinking up the room "vithout data" to back it up. that person would be gone the following Friday He was a great man to work for

As it has always been in the auto industry, someone has to have big enough balls to stand up to the "current" trend. As soon as one displays the courage to stand up for what appears to be right, soon others join them.
It appears this time Gm is the one with the big balls. It will be interesting to see how many join them by the new car production time. The real hand writing will be on the wall 2 months into the new production year. Those that are unable to adjust in which ever direction the correct answer lays may be in for a really bad year.

As it stands right now, I'd be betting against the current direction things appear to be going. It sounds to me like most of you agree with me.

I think BMW may have been first, they said a month or so ago that they will not be building cars according to politics. Lets face it, thing could be completely flipped in very short order and none of these companies are going to bankrupt themselves chasing hopes and dreams of politicians that have no idea whats involved.

It will be interesting to watch VW.

BMW is not the first. Or even GM. Toyota has been saying for years that EVs are not the end all, be all.

www.thedrive.com/news/41127/toyota-still-wont-go-all-in-on-electric-cars

Anyone with a brain knows EV cars right now are NOT the answer

Many have said EV's aren't the answer, BMW said they weren't going to build cars according to politics - quite different. Stellantis CEO even said EV's suck, and look at the new charger and Ram

It's a difference without a distinction. The whole EV only thing is strictly political. It makes no sense. The ONLY reason a company would go strictly EV is because of politics. So, whether a company's statement cites politics directly, or whether it doesn't, is not the point. The very discussion is more about politics than about the method of propulsion.

There is NOTHING low cost about any of that aftertreatment crap. Just keeping it running will bankrupt you.

Kevin

I think that Trucks/SUVs will stick with gas powertrains for some time.
I would be surprised if Ram goes 100% electric in a few years. I believe that the Ram Revolution EV will be a stand alone model, with regular Ram 1500/2500/3500 continuing with gas and diesel options.

And, if GM can create a new gen V8 that meets emissions and mileage restrictions, then Mopar should be able to beat that with an updated Hemi V8, even if they have to pair it with a mild-hybrid system to make it work.

JS

Putting a tractor trailer sized load behind a gas engine is asking for trouble. That’s A LOT of heat to deal with. It won’t be cost efficient to do tear downs that often even compared to a diesel with the emissions band aids.

[quote][/quote]Problem none of the evs have solved yet is charging time. I also really haven’t seen range improve that much in the last few years. Most are stuck around the 300 mile range.

It was almost a year ago that Ford announced that rather than go all electric, they are creating an EV team and an ICE team within the company. They also have no immediate plans to kill the ICE Mustang.

Toyota said months ago that they are backpedaling on EVs.

Now GM looks to be backpedaling.

If we're all honest about it, Chrysler is typically behind on the trends. About 1.5 years ago when Jaguar, Volvo and some others stated they were going 100% EV by 20XX, I thought Chrysler might be in a good position by being so far behind since they hadn't announced any full EV vehicles (only hybrids at that time) because even back then, I was pretty sure it was too soon for an OEM to go 100% EV.

Now that Chrysler is clearly working on full EV vehicles, I'm a little concerned that they might be too far along in EV development to go back to ICE. They obviously have their current ICE offerings as well as the upcoming Hurricane, but will that be "enough" compared to the others that have already decided to backtrack?

It's going to be interesting

Ed

And you wont until solid state batteries (used in pace makers) come out. They're working on them and I think Toyota has one coming out in a year, I dont think its a real solid state though. Stellantis is working on them as well. They charge very fast, weight next to nothing and dont catch fire. You can also add a zero to the range over lithium.

The 3.0L will be good at tricking the EPA tests but I doubt would be much better in real world. That 410hp 3.0L is going to be boosted big time to make the rated power and at 15-22 psi will use just as much fuel as a 6.5L V8. The H.O requires premium and will have even more boost, at full song it'll be 7.0L +

Again, all these have to do is put up good numbers for the EPA test which is cruising with no boost.

Carry a small generator in the bed so it works like a diesel locomotive but with an added battery storage. You could run a generator small enough to power it at cruise speeds (probably 30-40 HP) and at idle and coast it can charge the battery for to be used on acceleration and hills.

Doesn't the contract between Chrysler and Cummins for the Ram diesel motor run out at the end of 2025, or did that change? The last I heard was Ford bought the Cummins contract for 2026. If all that still stands, Ram will pretty much be out of the diesel truck market by then, they sure haven't said anything about having a new diesel motor to replace the Cummins. Gas or EV might be the only options Ram has.

Just like cigarette manufacturers had to put the disclaimer on cigarette packs that "Cigarettes are proven to cause deadly lung cancer" Electric cars should come with a disclaimer stating how impoverished victimized people risked their lives to mine the battery material. Have a picture on the side of the vehicle showing the little child of color and his pregnant mother standing in an ankle deep chemical brine- mining the metals used to make that vehicles battery.

Doubt it, Ford has a very good 6.7L diesel they developed themselves after the International 6.0L and 6.4L fiasco and I dont see them tossing it aside for an engine from another supplier. The last rumor I heard was cummins is developing a gasoline engine, but no idea who or what its intended for. They're also knee deep in the hydrogen and electric stuff too.

https://www.utvdriver.com/story/news/cummins-announces-6-7-liter-fuel-agnostic-engine/

It’s been about a year since I saw a company called solid power touting what they can do with those batteries. Stock is approaching zero today. Even after the market run up this month. I’ve been hearing talk about how awesome all these evs are for at least ten years. Still can’t take a long drive in one and accomplish what I can do with my full size suv. Still no electric semis going up the huge hill on the interstate not far from here. That will require an on board nuclear reactor.

What I have read about the new EPA future emissions NOx requirements
leads me to conclude that no gasoline, diesel fuel, propane or methane internal combustion engine can meet them.

A hydrogen powered internal combustion engine might, but even that is iffy, without DEF injection.

Vehicles are hit with this NOx limitation,
but fixed nitrogen agricultural fertilizer Urea can be legally applied on ground in a nearly unlimited manner,
and that releases NOx into the planet’s same air.

Is sauce for the goose also sauce for the gander?

Not at the EPA.

Science it is not.

I spent 6 years thinking literally half my waking hours about fuel cell science funded by a US Department of Energy grant.
(during sleep part of my brain must have continued pondering Gibbs energy)

The trailer behind your EV to extend its highway range
to be future NOx legal
likely must have a hydrogen/pure oxygen fueled fuel cell,
which were on Apollo spacecraft.

Careful...this might get political when talking about lack of brains.

There have been rumors going strong every year for over 24 years that I can remember (when I first started at a dodge dealer those rumors were already going around), it ain't gonna happen, dodge will re-sign a deal with cummins just like they keep doing. Maybe cummins starts the rumor to tighten the screws on dodge? Most likely ford fanboys dreaming...



The ferd 6.7 isn't that great when you count all the costs associated with keeping it running but let the ferd guys keep thinking it is.