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Because of age or something wrong? FOLLOWUP

Posted By: SattyNoCar

Because of age or something wrong? FOLLOWUP - 04/26/20 10:58 PM

We've got plenty of members here over 50, so I'm throwing this out to you guys specifically.

Twice now I've had it happen where I was laying under a car working on something, when a sudden wave of nausea comes over me. First time it happened was last year, during the summer. I figured I just got over heated. Today, it happened again, but much worse, and its not hot out. Been sitting here for the better part of 2 hours waiting for the feeling to subside. puke

I always figured as I got old(er) I'd have the usual problems, back pain, joint pain, etc from trying to do things, but never expected this. confused

And of course it hit this time just as I got my truck disassembled to where I can't move it (motor mounts). mad

Anyone else have this happen? shruggy


Posted By: Sniper

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/26/20 11:01 PM

You diabetic? If I don't eat that hits me on occasion.
Posted By: 70sixpkrt

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/26/20 11:09 PM

Vertigo. Meniere's disease.
Posted By: Hugh Jorgan

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/26/20 11:13 PM

Might want to get checked out.
You could be pregnant.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/26/20 11:13 PM

I'm not a doctor and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night either but I'm 63 and have never had that happen to me. See a doctor please.
Posted By: bigdad

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/26/20 11:18 PM

Sounds like blood sugar levels

go to the doc
Posted By: srt

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/26/20 11:31 PM

63 here, never had anything like that. I have had vertigo for about a week when waking in the morning, something about sinuses and liquid in inner ear.
Now, I did loose 6 lbs this weekend. Big push to get the garden in and also with May 1 fast approaching when burn permits end finished pruning grapes olives and some scrub and torched off a big pile. I am sore.
Posted By: A12

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/26/20 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Sniper
You diabetic? If I don't eat that hits me on occasion.


(bigdad)

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Sounds like blood sugar levels

go to the doc


I third these suggestions, go see a doc.

Type II diabetes ??
Posted By: BloFish

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/26/20 11:58 PM

Please see a Doctor, asking Moparts is a death sentence.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgan
Might want to get checked out.
You could be pregnant.

Only if his symptom is accompanied by a craving for sardines, peanut butter and radishes. laugh2
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgan
Might want to get checked out.
You could be pregnant.

Only if his symptom is accompanied by a craving for sardines, peanut butter and radishes. laugh2


Aww hell...... shock




But seriously, yes I will go to a Doc, just threw this out in the meantime.

I've been around diabetics, and their triggers were never based on body orientation. Just the same though, I'll get it checked.

From what was mentioned here and what I read online, it sounds more like vertigo. work shruggy

Thanks guys. Just feeling frustrated right now. mad
Posted By: srt

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 12:50 AM

I went to the doctor and he showed me how to do the Semont Maneuver which stopped it. He also sent me to an ent specialist who sent me to an audiologist that found one ear had symptoms of an impingement of the hearing nerve (don't know the name). mri later I have a all clear. Seems it's another chemo fried nerve. Cancer really sux, but good to be breathing.
Posted By: Sniper

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by BloFish
Please see a Doctor, asking Moparts is a death sentence.


Best advice ever
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by BloFish
Please see a Doctor, asking Moparts is a death sentence.


Best advice ever


And as mentioned, I intend to. I just threw this out in the meantime.
Posted By: 56_Royal_Lancer

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 01:13 AM

Well as long as we're playing doctor, I'm going with vertigo. I have and it sucks.
Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by 70sixpkRT
Vertigo. Meniere's disease.


Vertigo made me park my tool box 20 years ago. If you still have the muscle to do stuff,ask your Dr. about https://www.google.com/search?q=ver...490j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

When I saw this thread i figured it was about dOc...............
Posted By: Sniper

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Satilite73
Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by BloFish
Please see a Doctor, asking Moparts is a death sentence.


Best advice ever


And as mentioned, I intend to. I just threw this out in the meantime.


I actually was thinking about the second half, grin Get better
Posted By: jcc

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Satilite73

We've got plenty of members here over 50, so I'm throwing this out to you guys specifically.

Twice now I've had it happen where I was laying under a car working on something, when a sudden wave of nausea comes over me. First time it happened was last year, during the summer. I figured I just got over heated. Today, it happened again, but much worse, and its not hot out. Been sitting here for the better part of 2 hours waiting for the feeling to subside. puke

I always figured as I got old(er) I'd have the usual problems, back pain, joint pain, etc from trying to do things, but never expected this. confused

And of course it hit this time just as I got my truck disassembled to where I can't move it (motor mounts). mad

Anyone else have this happen? shruggy


Worst case, heart attack, take an aspirin immediately ( unless you have ulcers or other bleeding problems or already on blood thiiners), right now, and recurrence of any symptoms unexplained or worse, get to ER, have someone drive you. If you have a family Dr, make an appointment first thing Mon morning, if you tell them what you shared here, they will say head straight to ER.
This is not a thing to take lightly. Don't press your luck, you already have been given two warnings.
I am not a Dr, these are Good Samaritan suggestions
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 02:18 AM

I get nauseous 5 out of seven mornings around 6 a.m. It actually wakes me up. I fart a couple times and it passes after a few minutes and I go back to sleep.
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 02:48 AM


I appreciate the concern jcc, but this doesn't seem severe enough to warrant a trip to the ER. Yes its happened twice, but 10 months apart. If it was happening daily or weekly, yes, I'd be at the ER. However, I will be calling my Doctor tomorrow.

One issue I've always had that may or may not be related is that I've never been able to read while in a moving vehicle. I'll get nauseous almost instantly. Even now with google maps on my phone, if I need to do more than just glance at it while moving, I have to stop to do it. I've never gotten motion sickness in general just riding in a car though.

popcorn
Posted By: rhad

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 02:58 AM

a few years ago when i was still able to work ,i went under a car and leaned my head way back off the end of the creeper,i got VERY naushes,rolled out and it went away after a while,i think i had my head bent back to far and it cut the blood supply to my brain
my spell checker dont work on that word!!
im now 76
Posted By: poorboy

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 02:59 AM

I think its something you ate, but you should probably go to a DR and spend a few thousand dollars on some tests and have the Dr tell you it was something you ate. Gene
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by poorboy
I think its something you ate, but you should probably go to a DR and spend a few thousand dollars on some tests and have the Dr tell you it was something you ate. Gene


While possible, I kinda doubt it because of how it happened. If it was food related, it wouldn't care if I was laying under my truck.

beer
Posted By: Grizzly

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgan
Might want to get checked out.
You could be pregnant.


As with anything medical you should always get a second opinion:

You could have Hot Flashes or Hemorrhoids.
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 04:57 AM

Only time I get nauseous working on my junk is when I realize how much money I spend on it. puke
Posted By: PhillyRag

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by rhad
a few years ago when i was still able to work ,i went under a car and leaned my head way back off the end of the creeper,i got VERY naushes,rolled out and it went away after a while,i think i had my head bent back to far and it cut the blood supply to my brain
my spell checker dont work on that word!!
im now 76


If you were lying down at floor level in garage/shop: be very weary of any possible "fumes" that will settle down low. Had it happen to me once/twice. Under car working just wrenching: got upright, dizzy/headache bad. Cleared after walking around/sitting. Happened day or so later.
Same. Then days later, while moving stuff around, found a qt can or urethane paint that had tipped over, behind some stuff out of sight at floor level. Didn't pour out, but rather just slightly oozing from lid. Apparently the fumes from that weren't enough to outright smell, but over time lying there must have breathed in enough to effect me. Thought I was having a stroke, felt so bad. Wised me up abruptly about solvents in a shop while working. So be safe out there guys.
Posted By: sixbbl 69

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 12:57 PM

i would go to a doctor right away.maybe he or she will at least give you some stupid pills when you tell them you were on Moparts asking for advice.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 01:05 PM

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One issue I've always had that may or may not be related is that I've never been able to read while in a moving vehicle.


This is fairly common and something that stays with you your entire life.
Posted By: TJP

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 03:25 PM

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I will be calling my Doctor tomorrow

Please do and Keep us posted, Better yet, call them today smile beer

Posted By: savoy64

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 04:46 PM

a new virus out of detroit-----car-anus virus.....
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 04:57 PM

Maybe dehydrated? Hope you are all right. Doesn't sound like "old age".
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 06:32 PM

Suck it up and drive on, next Dr apt bring it up, do your yearly blood work and see whats up or whats not up.

I can see there is a wet noodle group that runs to the doc at every hicup that dont taste right but dang your 50, hell it could be even emotional. Just like old people sex changes ALOT that doesnt mean anything is wrong, were just aged a bit.

Go find a nice shade tree and put a blanket down and plan a nap, tell us if that action or thought makes you sick?

Maybe its these dive food joints your going to and your getting hit with the bad meat sweats and all that comes with it, who knows but with what your describing id just bring it up and keep up on your blood work.

Next time your feeling that way, think of your ex wife and let us know what happens.

You need to change your screen name to Feets2, yall always got some craziness going on.

Do you have a pet?
Posted By: jcc

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 07:04 PM

Common heart attack signs and symptoms include:

Pressure, tightness, pain, or a squeezing or aching sensation in your chest or arms that may spread to your neck, jaw or back.
Nausea, indigestion, heartburn or abdominal pain.
Shortness of breath.
Cold sweat.
Fatigue.
Lightheadedness or sudden dizziness.
May 30, 2018

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-attack/symptoms-causes/syc-20373106

Sudden unexplained outset of Nausea for two(?) hours, the second occurrence out of the blue, in over a year, ought to get everybody's attention, except for the hold my beer crowd, the anti better to be safe then sorry believers.
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 07:42 PM

Surrre....

Hope you read this before the edit JCC, it was just for you.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 08:59 PM

I'm a little older than you are and I have never had those symptoms you've had. Lots of other medical issues in my life but not like yours.
If I was you I would be seeing my family Dr. ASAP, you know it isn't going to go away quietly, correct work
No one wants to here bad news, especially the persons family and survivors when the Dr. says if only they had detected the problem early work
I lost a good friend to a Dr. who didn't do enough testing on a sinus problem, the Dr. ASSUME he knew enough to treat and his lack of attention for better diagnosing and testing allowed the cancer to grow and ended up killing my friend rant whiney
Posted By: jcc

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Potatohead
Surrre....

Hope you read this before the edit JCC, it was just for you.


Well, "Hope springs Eternal"

Peace.
Posted By: Neil

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 09:24 PM

Could be a simple inner ear or sinus related problem since it only happened why you were laying down.

Dehydration and a lack of potassium in your body can make you feel dizzy too.
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 11:10 PM


I talk to the Doctor tomorrow at 8AM.

popcorn
Posted By: CYACOP

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 11:21 PM

I don't think he was asking for advice looking back at his post. He simply asked if anyone else experienced this. Go back and read the original post. My father an older guy, has not been able to work under a vehicle for quite some time and experiences the same thing as described. He's still alive and well.
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/27/20 11:55 PM


I don't think he was asking for advice looking back at his post. He simply asked if anyone else experienced this.

SOMEBODY got it. You are correct! Some people just like to pick.

Thank you. beer
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/28/20 01:44 AM

Yes, I had issues like that too. It was worse when I would lay flat on my back. I even went to therapy to help with my episodes. They said it had something to do with the crystals in the inner ear or something like that . It only happens on occasion. Only one time was it bad enough where I thought I was going to puke
Posted By: jcc

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/28/20 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by CYACOP
I don't think he was asking for advice looking back at his post. He simply asked if anyone else experienced this. Go back and read the original post.


"Anyone else have this happen?"

The ones that didn't survive are strangely quiet it seems. work
Posted By: larrymopar360

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/28/20 08:54 PM

You need to go to the doctor. Oh wait, someone may have suggested that.

It's a symptom of needing another Mopar!!!
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/28/20 11:38 PM


And the verdict is..........

"Benign paroxysmal positional vertigo"

Or at least that's what he's initially treating it as. Basically a problem with the inner ear.

The only thing is, I have zero dizziness when this happens. shruggy

Gave me some meds to take for the nausea and exercises for the problem.

Going to try it for a month and see what happens. If it goes away, great! If not, then an MRI and possibly other tests will be done. frowwn

Oh, and he feels I need to lose at least 20 lbs. rant

Thanks everyone. beer
Posted By: 70sixpkrt

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/28/20 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by 70sixpkRT
Vertigo. Meniere's disease.

I've had many times and still go thru it once in awhile. That's why I mentioned it. It sucks.
Posted By: TJP

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/29/20 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Satilite73

And the verdict is..........

"Benign paroxysmal positional vertigo"

Or at least that's what he's initially treating it as. Basically a problem with the inner ear.

The only thing is, I have zero dizziness when this happens. shruggy

Gave me some meds to take for the nausea and exercises for the problem.

Going to try it for a month and see what happens. If it goes away, great! If not, then an MRI and possibly other tests will be done. frowwn

Oh, and he feels I need to lose at least 20 lbs. rant

Thanks everyone. beer


up
Posted By: jcc

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/29/20 12:04 AM

That a great news. up

For those that already have experience with this diagnosis, is it common for nausea to last for hours(?) after altering the position that started the symptoms?
Posted By: 71TA

Re: Because of age or something wrong? FOLLOWUP - 04/29/20 12:13 AM

VERTIGO - I'm 57 and woke up one morning with Vertigo. I posted about it on here late last year. I fell asleep on the couch. I have sciatica so if I lay on my side for long my hips get very sore and I'll flip to the other side. Doctor said that probably what happened. While laying flat and moving my head face I disrupted the balance "granules" in my inner ear. I woke up EXTREMELY nauseated and dizzy like I was hung over. I mean hung over like we used to get at 20 (ish).

If you google there's a "procedure" you can do lying with you head hung over the edge of your bed to reposition those granules. After talking to a bunch of guys a few said they can't work under their car anymore. I haven't tried working under my car lately but I'm VERY cautious how fast I move my head now.
Posted By: 70sixpkrt

Re: Because of age or something wrong? FOLLOWUP - 04/29/20 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by 71TA
VERTIGO - I'm 57 and woke up one morning with Vertigo. I posted about it on here late last year. I fell asleep on the couch. I have sciatica so if I lay on my side for long my hips get very sore and I'll flip to the other side. Doctor said that probably what happened. While laying flat and moving my head face I disrupted the balance "granules" in my inner ear. I woke up EXTREMELY nauseated and dizzy like I was hung over. I mean hung over like we used to get at 20 (ish).

If you google there's a "procedure" you can do lying with you head hung over the edge of your bed to reposition those granules. After talking to a bunch of guys a few said they can't work under their car anymore. I haven't tried working under my car lately but I'm VERY cautious how fast I move my head now.

It's called The Epley Maneuver.
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/29/20 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by jcc
That a great news. up

For those that already have experience with this diagnosis, is it common for nausea to last for hours(?) after altering the position that started the symptoms?


When it happened the first time, it lasted only a few minutes.

From what the Doc told me, each case is different, so how long it last depends on the individual.

Until I was talking to the Doc today, I had forgotten I had an issue with my left ear about a year ago. Infection? I don't know but for a couple of days there was an itch that wouldn't quit with some....discharge. This was when I was without insurance, so I did nothing about it especially since it seemingly went away in a couple of days on its own. This might be where the current problem is stemming from. shruggy
Posted By: Ramrod39

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/29/20 10:25 PM

Not really related but a funny story.

A guy I went to high school with decades ago has become a bit of crazy old hermit. He just hangs out in his dumpy old house and smokes pot and watches TV. Anyway, he watched 20/20 or some other "news" show late one night while smoking a bunch of pot. The feature story was about people having sudden strokes. He wakes up in the middle of the night and his arm is numb and he has trouble moving it. He freaks out and calls 911, thinking he has had a stroke. They take him to the hospital and figure out that he was just laying on his arm oddly on the couch and the arm went to sleep. And of course, he was too cheap to have insurance so it cost him a boatload of money.

Some people...
Posted By: jcc

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/29/20 11:18 PM

Gee, I wonder what made him so paranoid? eyes
Posted By: Mr PotatoHead

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/29/20 11:39 PM


sounds like a Richard Pryor skit, funny


Originally Posted by Ramrod39
Not really related but a funny story.

A guy I went to high school with decades ago has become a bit of crazy old hermit. He just hangs out in his dumpy old house and smokes pot and watches TV. Anyway, he watched 20/20 or some other "news" show late one night while smoking a bunch of pot. The feature story was about people having sudden strokes. He wakes up in the middle of the night and his arm is numb and he has trouble moving it. He freaks out and calls 911, thinking he has had a stroke. They take him to the hospital and figure out that he was just laying on his arm oddly on the couch and the arm went to sleep. And of course, he was too cheap to have insurance so it cost him a boatload of money.

Some people...
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/30/20 12:03 AM

I learned an important lesson 2 days ago, not that I didn't already know it but I guess I needed a reminder, don't severely injure yourself when the closest hospital is 2 hours away! I had an accident (brain fart really) with a drill and very sharp bit. It wasn't serious enough to need medical attention but it easily could have been. Worse yet I was here alone at the time. I need to pay attention.
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/30/20 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
I learned an important lesson 2 days ago, not that I didn't already know it but I guess I needed a reminder, don't severely injure yourself when the closest hospital is 2 hours away! I had an accident (brain fart really) with a drill and very sharp bit. It wasn't serious enough to need medical attention but it easily could have been. Worse yet I was here alone at the time. I need to pay attention.


I'm starting to think about this more and more. I do a lot of things alone that I probably should not.
Posted By: 340SIX

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 04/30/20 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by BloFish
Please see a Doctor, asking Moparts is a death sentence.

Moparts is also good fur questions about...................................
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Posted By: yorker

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 05/01/20 01:41 AM

Did you get dizzy, neck hurt? Heck, I can't get under a car anymore and look up without getting my eyes crossed and headaches. Probably just some neck tension, balance issue. Unless it gets really bad at other times when not under car, donn't worry about it.
Posted By: Stroker

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 05/01/20 03:49 AM

I'm glad you found out what it was.
Almost 2 years ago I ended up going to the ER because I got like that and it wouldn't go away.
It was at night, I was up flipping through Instagram on my phone, in the dark. I'm pretty sure that's what triggered it.
If I kept my head pointed straight ahead, it was ok, but after I went to bed I couldn't turn my head either way without feeling nauseous + dizzy.
My wife drove me to the ER, of course it seemed like forever until they actually fixed it.
They did the procedure srt mentioned, which I don't remember the name of.
They leaned me back and reset something in my inner ear.
They had me get some dramamine.
I never could read in the car as a kid. Still can't! I have to look out the window to stay oriented.
I get a little dizzy/nauseous on the creeper if I lean my head back a certain way, too.
Thank God I didn't get that way and stay like that, I don't think I could take too much of that.
I'd have to have somebody drive me to the river so I could jump off the bridge.
Posted By: Dave_J

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 05/01/20 05:15 AM

For 50 years I was a telephone pole and tree climber. I'd put my spurs on and go up 75+ feet removing branches on the way up, take the tree top out and then V notch the tree, put my rope in the notch and then repell down. Never had a problem.... I was also a sport parachutist and base jumper.

April 2015 I got hit by a flying car tire while riding my motorcycle home and hit the concrete barrier at 70 MPH. Major TBI. Had vertago but it would come and go. But one day in Sept 2016 I was on a telephone pole 45 feet up on my spurs hooking up a cable over a railroad crossing when vertago hit me hard. I could not look anywhere without trying to puke. My helper called 911 for the fire departments ladder truck. But I decided to shut my eyes and slowly climb down one small drop at a time. That was my very last day of outside work, I did two more weeks on light duty then retired. From that day on if I get up on a step stool the vertago hits.
So because of vertago I gave up a $100,000 a year + beni's job

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Posted By: Stroker

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 05/07/20 04:13 AM

That must've been a helluva ride.
I never wore a helmet when I was younger, but when I got a new bike in 2012 and started riding again I bought a full face Shoei.
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: Because of age or something wrong? - 05/08/20 02:54 AM


Dang Dave! Just looking at your helmet gave me a headache! blush

While nothing like taking a concrete divider at 70 MPH, I took a pretty good blow to the head when I was 3 yrs old or so, I fell down a flight of stairs going down into a basement. The boiler at the bottom stopped me from tumbling any further.........last thing I remember seeing before a blue flash and waking up in the hospital was "Union made in Chicago" (seriously). blush Laugh if you must, but, it was a hard enough hit that it left a permanent indent. (I know, explains a lot too, huh?)

I was with my Mom this particular day when she went over to visit an Aunt. Part of the basement was properly finished off and used as a playroom for their kids. Their kids were big into GI Joes (remember the 12" tall ones? Those.) and I wanted to go down and play with them and I wasn't taking 'no' for an answer. As soon as my Mom turned her back for a moment, I made a break for the basement. I did OK until about the third step when I lost my grip on the handrail.......

It seems kinda weird that I remember the actual incident but nothing before or after so clearly 50 yrs later. eyes
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