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A matter of opinion: resto cost

Posted By: sixpackbee

A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 05:01 PM

I rarely get a complete job to do. Mostly do total body/paint and customers assemble. Get quite a few engines/trans too. I have one coming in. Total job. The car is very complete and original. Needs only a carb to be found. Needs complete rear body panels and floor. No frame work needed. Underside will be done in primer type deatil. Total interior redo, seat covers ect. Engine will be done all new and slightly internally warmed over. Rebuild trans. Rear gear swap and rebuild. Suspension redo and powder coated.
In short the car comes to me as it is. Not running and rusty. It gets delivered back in very, very nice driver quality, no paint daubs, overpray type details, turn key style. I came up with just north of 35,000 parts and labor. Opinions: is he going to take a swing at me or is my foot bleeding from a self inflicted injury?
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 05:25 PM

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I came up with just north of 35,000 parts and labor.




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is my foot bleeding from a self inflicted injury?




must not need much in big ticket items - sheetmetal as an example

this the one you emailed me about?
Posted By: sixpackbee

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 05:37 PM

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this the one you emailed me about?



Yes it is. Keep it quiet though. Needs both quarters, wheelhouses, trunk floor, main floor, trunk extensions, and some inner fender work by the battery. Will be using AMD stuff for ease of availability.
Posted By: topside

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 06:08 PM

Heck, I usually have $30-35,000 in parts & sublets alone, let alone the labor. Hard to put a closed bid on anything rusty.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 06:35 PM

I say you're foot is bleeding.

I don't have time to give you a complete breakdown, but $35k wouldn't cover the cost of parts and the drivetrain in my case.

I have over $100k in my resto, but my car was missing lots of stuff which significantly added to the cost. If it was together and complete, I probably could have saved $20 - $30k. Also, I spent good money on many repop parts that weren't good enough to use and also I bought quite a few spares.

Bottom line is that I spent $50k on metal work, body work, paint, panel alignment and body reassembly. Shop had over 600 hours charged to the car which I have every reason to believe is accurate. At a pretty cheap charge out rate of $50/hr that's $30,000 in labor alone. (If you want more detail on exactly what metal work was done and how many hours were spent, let me know and I'll dig it out.)

....then you can add in the engine, tranny, driveshaft, rear end, dash and gauges, interior, exhaust, suspension, etc. etc. Even the sub assy's that Jules did for me (steering column, wiper motor and linkage, e-brake assy, heater box) added up to a fair chunk of change.

I just don't see how a quality rotisserie restoration by skilled workers can cost any less than $50 - $60k.....heck, lots of people have indicated that they have 1000 - 2000 hours in thier resto and even at the cheapest rates possible for a real and viable business, it simply adds up.



Dave
Posted By: LimeliteAero

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 06:37 PM

there will be a lot of expense in replacing all the ordinary parts like brackets,handles,bezels,emblems,trim,and the labor to restore useable existing parts.
I dont think a full on resto with that amount of body work is getting done for less than 50K by way of the checkbook. In other words paying someone to do it all.
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 07:25 PM

Holgar, no offense but I think your working for free

Hopefully yours is not a closed end estimate.
meaning it can't - will not go above said estimate. Mine aren't

I just got a 68 Charger in and Ted Stephens dropped of 2 quarters, 1 trunk floor with both dropoffs , 2 valance end caps,decklid and 1 fender and it was over $3k in parts alone

then the time fitting repop parts is a job in itself. I spent the better part of the afternoon doing nothing but installing wheel lip mouldings on a 1970 Cuda.

Then diag time to find out 2 wires were crossed in the new dash harness causing an inop wiper motor. it adds up,,,,,faster then one might think

Posted By: Silver70

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 07:45 PM

I work for cheap, like half of just body shops, where most resto only shops charge more... I have very little over head and it keeps me busy doing something I enjoy.

Anyways, unless you charging like 10 an hour, 35k is very low! If your charging 35 an hour, that will pay for 1000 hours, not including parts, supplies, etc... and your looking at approx 1000 hours for a full resto. Give or take a couple hundred hours depending on a lot of things. I;d say a more realistic number would be like 50k. And that number could scare off a lot of people.

A lot of a resto is little tedious stuff and lately I've avoided them and stuck to just body/paint. I make more money doing this than full restos also.
Posted By: Mopar Grandpa

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 07:50 PM

Not only is your foot bleeding I think it's been cut off at the knee especially if you are providing all of the parts. Just be careful because your idea of "driver quality" might be different than the owners definition of "driver quality". I've been thru 2 very nice restorations and I think you are way short on the $.

I have over $85K in the restoration of my '69 B Body and I purchased most of the parts myself and my sheet metal work wasn't as involved as you described. However, my restoration was OE quality without all of the OE parts.

My '68 Barracuda Hemi car had $30K in the paint and body work alone and again didn't require as much sheet metal work as you described.
Posted By: sixpackbee

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 08:17 PM

I guess a little explanation of our local situation. This is a highly depressed area. 85k will buy you a real nice house. Median income is quite a ways below national average. My shop has been paid for for 20 years. I have virtually no overhead. These are the reasons my labor rate is so low. If I told someone around here that it was 50k or more to do their car I would be running for my life. Sort of hard to tell someone it costs more to retore their car than they paid for their house.
Posted By: Mopar Grandpa

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 08:28 PM

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I guess a little explanation of our local situation. This is a highly depressed area. 85k will buy you a real nice house. Median income is quite a ways below national average. My shop has been paid for for 20 years. I have virtually no overhead. These are the reasons my labor rate is so low. If I told someone around here that it was 50k or more to do their car I would be running for my life. Sort of hard to tell someone it costs more to retore their car than they paid for their house.


That's understandable but the parts will cost the same, wheather you live in a depressed area or a rich area. The body shop that did my '69 car had over 670 hours in it but the thing is dead straight. Paint materials, depending on the color, will probably cost you over $2,000 which includes primers, bondo, sandpaper, tape, etc., etc. I think you'll be surprised at the final cost.

I would be happy to send you the 11 page breakdown of my parts and labor charges. Just PM me with your e-mail address.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 08:41 PM

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I guess a little explanation of our local situation. This is a highly depressed area. 85k will buy you a real nice house. Median income is quite a ways below national average. My shop has been paid for for 20 years. I have virtually no overhead. These are the reasons my labor rate is so low. If I told someone around here that it was 50k or more to do their car I would be running for my life. Sort of hard to tell someone it costs more to retore their car than they paid for their house.


That's understandable but the parts will cost the same, wheather you live in a depressed area or a rich area. The body shop that did my '69 car had over 670 hours in it but the thing is dead straight. Paint materials, depending on the color, will probably cost you over $2,000 which includes primers, bondo, sandpaper, tape, etc., etc. I think you'll be surprised at the final cost.

I would be happy to send you the 11 page breakdown of my parts and labor charges. Just PM me with your e-mail address.




All that changes is the labor rate; we've all been saying that a proper resto will take 1000 hrs give or take and the part cost is the same no matter where you are.

Even if you charge yourself out at $20/hr and don't have to pay rent, insurance, taxes, upkeep, tool replacement, etc. etc. it is still going to break down something like this;

- parts & materials: $20,000

- farmed out component resto and specialty labor: $ 10,000

- 1000 hrs at $20/hr: 20,000

Total: $50,000

All I know is that I could have done ALL the labor by myself for free and I still would have spent more than your $35k budget. I would take the offer given above and take a look at a spreadsheet for a complete nut and bolt resto to make sure you haven't missed or underestimated significant items.

Do what you like, but I think you're making a big mistake and will be working for free. If we could all get quality resto work done where you live for 1/3rd the going rate, we'd all be doing that.

OTOH, if you don't have any bills to pay, maybe it's a good idea to do this one and then you'll know for sure one way or the other.



Dave
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 08:43 PM

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I guess a little explanation of our local situation. This is a highly depressed area. 85k will buy you a real nice house. Median income is quite a ways below national average. My shop has been paid for for 20 years. I have virtually no overhead. These are the reasons my labor rate is so low. If I told someone around here that it was 50k or more to do their car I would be running for my life. Sort of hard to tell someone it costs more to retore their car than they paid for their house.




PM me your address , I have a car to ship out ...
Posted By: sixpackbee

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 08:58 PM

I've done enough paint jobs and I know what I can get away with there. The only complete cars I have done were my own and I did not keep track of them for money or time because I just do not care what it takes. Quick breakdown here. Engine: Parts 3275. Labor 500. Trans: parts and labor 500. Body panels 3750. Paint and materials 2500. Total body labor 6650.Outsource 2350. On a big job I uaually sell parts at 10 over and am a dealer for most of what I need so that keeps the total down a bit. I figure if they are spending good labor money then I can help out with the parts. I am also looking to do a general how to book and this may be the perfect subject. My wife always says I am too kind for my own good but I sleep OK.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 09:09 PM

$500 labor on the engine ??? 3275 for parts ??? What about machining costs ?
Posted By: sixpackbee

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 09:29 PM

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$500 labor on the engine ??? 3275 for parts ??? What about machining costs ?



3275 includes machining and parts. 500 labor is light that is what this area handles. I'll break it down if you like.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 09:33 PM

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I've done enough paint jobs and I know what I can get away with there. The only complete cars I have done were my own and I did not keep track of them for money or time because I just do not care what it takes. Quick breakdown here. Engine: Parts 3275. Labor 500. Trans: parts and labor 500. Body panels 3750. Paint and materials 2500. Total body labor 6650.Outsource 2350.




You might be ok on the paint and body (though you're probably paying yourself $10 - $15/hr) but the big issue here is all the parts that are UNRELATED to the body. what about bumpers, gas tanks, fuel lines, brake lines, ebrake cables, drums, rotors, springs, shocks, exhaust, wiring harnesses, front end components, rebuilt alternators/ps pumps/steering boxes/heat boxes/wiper motors/blower motors.......and about 10000 other parts?

my paint and bodywork (including assy, dissassy, stripping, etc.) took over 600hrs BUT it's the other 600 that had nothing to do with paint and body that I would worry about if I were you.

again, do what you like, but the responses to this thread have been unanimous in saying you are way too low........and several of these responses have been from people who do this for a living.

It doesn't matter much to me what you do; just trying to help you avoid losing your shirt. Frankly, in order to do the car for $35k you aren't restoring everything and possibly not taking the time to do some things right.

my last

Dave
Posted By: klunick

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 10:06 PM

I hate to say it, but I also think you are shorting yourself. There is a lot of time spent doing stuff that makes something right, but nobody sees. You didn't meantion anything on rebuilding the front suspension including blasting it, painting it, new parts, new rotors, brake pads, calipers, etc. Nor do I see anything on going through the rearend, New springs, blasting the perches, new brake lines, fuel lines, e-brakes, rebuilding heater box and core, the whole dash is going to have to be pulled and rebuilt, all the wiring redone etc. The motor work you have listed was for your motor. Not too many motors out there for sale that cheap done. What interior parts are going to have to be rebuilt/redone?

I bought my bee in 2003 and it has sat in the garage and not been touched. Here is a parts breakdown. Rebuilt Dana 60 $1000(because my buddy didn't want to have to mess with shipping it to someone else), 440 stroke motor $14k but that was done by DRAM and not your typical engine, Probably $4k in body parts including AMD quarters, full trunk floor, shock cross mount, extensions, wheel wells, AAR 6 pack hood. RMS front suspension at $3.5k, new radiator, core seats front and back, frame connectors. The list goes on and on. I haven't touched the car yet. I have no carpet, door panels, seat covers, headliner, Dash is still yet to be gone through, heater box will need redo, electric wiring will be redone and the list goes on. My point is I am in $28k and haven't touched the car. Now you will be in less for the motor but by what 40% so subtract $6k from my numbers. I hate to say it but a decent job probably does run at least $50k with labor and that is for starters. Heck, I am halfway done with the baracuda and at $22k and I don't even have the motor and my labor is -0-.
Posted By: ademon

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/06/11 11:53 PM

Finding the carb and having it replated and rebuilt will cost $500 if your going to do it right, and thats just a run of the mill AVS
Posted By: cmansell

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 12:16 AM

Why not just charge him a finders fee and get him a car already done for about 20k? He will save 30k and you will get 2 years of your life back!
Posted By: hemigod426

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 12:21 AM

all depends on what kind of car it is if its a 1970 duster you will have $$ left over, if its a 1969 charger r/t you will be in the hole, unless its nice car to start with
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 12:53 AM

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Finding the carb and having it replated and rebuilt will cost $500 if your going to do it right, and thats just a run of the mill AVS



$325
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 01:28 AM

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$500 labor on the engine ??? 3275 for parts ??? What about machining costs ?



$35k may not be too far off but it should be understood that it is just an estimate. I would not guarantee the total cost of a job like that. I would charge him your hourly rates and bill your hours and costs on parts and material weekly and let him pay as you go. He would have to trust you to keep accurate track of your hours and can't argue too much about costs of materials and parts. Let him make the decisions as to what parts to restore or replace. It's bound to add up to more than you can estimate and your customer could not get more fair of a deal.
Posted By: ademon

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 01:37 AM

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Finding the carb and having it replated and rebuilt will cost $500 if your going to do it right, and thats just a run of the mill AVS



$325


is that with the carb? or just the replate/rebuild? he's missing the carb.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 02:08 AM

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Finding the carb and having it replated and rebuilt will cost $500 if your going to do it right, and thats just a run of the mill AVS



$325


is that with the carb? or just the replate/rebuild? he's missing the carb.



You're right! My mistake! That's just the carb resto. A decent complete carb will be from $100-$200. $500 is a good estimate. I have $470 in my AVS.
Posted By: Mopar Grandpa

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 02:16 AM

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this the one you emailed me about?



Yes it is. Keep it quiet though. Needs both quarters, wheelhouses, trunk floor, main floor, trunk extensions, and some inner fender work by the battery. Will be using AMD stuff for ease of availability.


Keep in mind that even though you are planning to use the AMD products, which are probably the best out there, they will probably not fit perfectly. My AMD quarters required quite a bit of massaging around the rear window area and at the tail light extensions. Mine was a '69 RR.
Posted By: Silver70

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 06:09 AM

I've have built cars for myself for under 10k. I did a 70 roadrunner for 4k. That was using a lot of parts I have from parts cars, some trading, and not being concerned if for exapmle the bumpers and other chrome parts were perfect. Also reusing door panels, like if the vinyl was good, gluing on to boards I cut myself and so on. I did the 4k roadrunner in less than 4 months at maybe 20 hours a week for 3 of the 4 months. I didn't do the underside on that one.

For someone elses car, if a lower end resto, I mean, not everything redone or to factory original. Done to be a nice driver, needing panels, I still think your looking at 10k for parts alone on the low end. That would be using the low line of paints like nason or omni. So if your charging 25 an hours, that gets you to your estimate. However I'd be prepared to work some hours for free cause chances are 1000 hours won't cut it on a rusty car.

Now I'm assuming when you say resto, your talking a complete resto, underside and all. Now if your just doing a topside, suspension, brakes, etc... then 35k is actually pretty decent in my eyes to make. I got about a 3rd of that for a car I did last year that was a rotiserrie done car, but didn't need any interior work, engine/trans and the owner did the front suspension himself. Also pretty rust free and straight.
Posted By: DennisH

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 01:14 PM

Sounds like a bargain. If I ever have to buy a car, I will go to a major auction and buy the right finished car.
Posted By: yella71

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 01:40 PM

Resto work is time and materials. thats what it is. This is not a cheap hobby.some jobs cost more some less you ll find out when your done if you priced it right and only experance will help you for the future
Posted By: HUSTLESTUFF

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 01:58 PM

I would think $20k plus parts and subs would put you in a better position. That way if he decides the bumpers don't look quite good enough he coughs up the extra, not you. I know I had $17.5 in parts for a driver cuda, because the used stuff wouldn't look as good. Mike
Posted By: OLD318

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 06:42 PM

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The body shop that did my '69 car had over 670 hours in it but the thing is dead straight. Paint materials, depending on the color, will probably cost you over $2,000 which includes primers, bondo, sandpaper, tape, etc., etc. I think you'll be surprised at the final cost.

I would be happy to send you the 11 page breakdown of my parts and labor charges. Just PM me with your e-mail address.




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All that changes is the labor rate; we've all been saying that a proper resto will take 1000 hrs give or take and the part cost is the same no matter where you are.

Even if you charge yourself out at $20/hr and don't have to pay rent, insurance, taxes, upkeep, tool replacement, etc. etc. it is still going to break down something like this;

- parts & materials: $20,000

- farmed out component resto and specialty labor: $ 10,000

- 1000 hrs at $20/hr: 20,000

Total: $50,000

All I know is that I could have done ALL the labor by myself for free and I still would have spent more than your $35k budget. I would take the offer given above and take a look at a spreadsheet for a complete nut and bolt resto to make sure you haven't missed or underestimated significant items.

Do what you like, but I think you're making a big mistake and will be working for free. If we could all get quality resto work done where you live for 1/3rd the going rate, we'd all be doing that.

OTOH, if you don't have any bills to pay, maybe it's a good idea to do this one and then you'll know for sure one way or the other.


Dave





Dave is absolutely right about the costs..And I'll bet his prices are circa 2005-2010...

The parts and materials alone to take even a complete 40+ year old
mopar B or E body from rags to really sweet driver will cost you
upwards of 40K... Thats just parts and materials only...

If there is stuff you are not gonna do...
then yes, you can subtract from that.

Perhaps the biggest pitfall in restoration is this:
Once you have one part of the car looking all shiny new..
the old stuff really sticks out...

So you get stuck very quickly trying to make everything look new..
That is a very time-consuming and expensive proposition...

For example, what about all the chrome?
You think you can get that done for $500? Not a chance...
Nuts and bolts?
You gonna use those old bolts on your new freshly painted engine?
or are you buy shiny new ones? Easily $500 - $1000 just for nuts /bolts and hardware...
Wanna blast and refinish them yourself? You can try that..good luck!

What about shipping costs for new parts?
For the 100's of parts you absolutely have to replace
the shipping costs alone will add up to 100's of dollars if not
a thousand or more...

FWIW, let me implore you, Dave is not lying to you!

Having been there and done it myself I can honestly look in the
mirror and say this:

For the time, effort, and cost in most cases, if you want a restored car, the average person is way better off buying one already done as close as you can get to what you want, then going through the cost, hassle and aggrevation of doing one yourself or paying someone to do
one from scratch..

Obviously, for some people and some cars (R/T, superbee, gtx etc)
this doesn't apply... but for most people and situations I think it does.

Most are for sale for half of what it would cost to do one yourself.

For example: Once in a while, I see some really nice Chargers/Coronets/ etc. on ebay for 25-35K...
Having been there and done it, there is no way I could take a projct car and get it to that condition for that price..
Plus all the time and aggrevation...

In the end, anybody can work for free...
Heck, you can do easy desk work for $10.00 hour...
Why would you kill yourself on an old car for that?
Your lungs (from all the dust and overspray alone)
are worth alot more than that..
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 07:04 PM

IMO you way under bid this one.

I rebuilt my 71 challenger completely. It needed no sheet metal, it was rust free. I kept detailed records and all reciepts. I have 40K into it with me doing 99.9% of the work myself. I busted my azz to get it done. I wouldn't do the labor for anything less than 20K.
I think your 20 under where you need to be, plus you have rust!!!
Posted By: Silver70

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 07:51 PM

I agree with you guys above, I do think he priced it too low. But like I mentioned, depending on the extent of it, there still could be room for a nice profit, although it could be a lot more.

I've done nice driver cars for people and then when done they thought this or that should have been done or expected show worthy for driver resto cost. So I think your communication will be key.

Say there 15-20k to be made in labor over 4-6 months. To me thats decent money. I had jobs I worked a year made that kind of money. Not everyone is out to get rich. I could charge double of what I do or more, but that scares away a lot of business and I look at it this way: I get to do something I love and work when I want. To some that means way more than the money made.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 08:22 PM

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I say you're foot is bleeding.

I don't have time to give you a complete breakdown, but $35k wouldn't cover the cost of parts and the drivetrain in my case.

I have over $100k in my resto, but my car was missing lots of stuff which significantly added to the cost. If it was together and complete, I probably could have saved $20 - $30k. Also, I spent good money on many repop parts that weren't good enough to use and also I bought quite a few spares.

Bottom line is that I spent $50k on metal work, body work, paint, panel alignment and body reassembly. Shop had over 600 hours charged to the car which I have every reason to believe is accurate. At a pretty cheap charge out rate of $50/hr that's $30,000 in labor alone. (If you want more detail on exactly what metal work was done and how many hours were spent, let me know and I'll dig it out.)

....then you can add in the engine, tranny, driveshaft, rear end, dash and gauges, interior, exhaust, suspension, etc. etc. Even the sub assy's that Jules did for me (steering column, wiper motor and linkage, e-brake assy, heater box) added up to a fair chunk of change.

I just don't see how a quality rotisserie restoration by skilled workers can cost any less than $50 - $60k.....heck, lots of people have indicated that they have 1000 - 2000 hours in thier resto and even at the cheapest rates possible for a real and viable business, it simply adds up.



Dave




Hits nail squarly on head!

I'll add to that, it really doesn't matter which car you start with, average to restore ANYTHING to an equal level isn't all that different
Posted By: Mopar Grandpa

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 09:20 PM

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this the one you emailed me about?



Yes it is. Keep it quiet though. Needs both quarters, wheelhouses, trunk floor, main floor, trunk extensions, and some inner fender work by the battery. Will be using AMD stuff for ease of availability.


I hope you sincerely understand that those that have posted are trying to help you and not discourage you. Having said that if you have as much rust in this car as you indicated above I guarantee you you are going to find a lot more rust in areas that you can't see until you start removing the panels, floors, etc. Just make sure the owner understands you don't have x-ray vision. And if you don't address all of the rusty areas they will eventually raise their ugly little heads and the owner will be back to your shop for an unpleasant discussion. Dot your I's and cross you T's.
Posted By: sixpackbee

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/07/11 09:31 PM

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I guarantee you you are going to find a lot more rust in areas that you can't see until you start removing the panels



I appreciate the concerns. I have been restoring North East rusted junk for over 30 years now. I have seen it all rust wise. I think I am OK on this. I do not need to make a ton to come out alright. The car has an interesting family tie that makes doing it a moral imparative. Or at least a fun story to tell.
Posted By: smac77

Re: A matter of opinion: resto cost - 10/08/11 03:58 AM

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I rarely get a complete job to do. Mostly do total body/paint and customers assemble. Get quite a few engines/trans too. I have one coming in. Total job. The car is very complete and original. Needs only a carb to be found. Needs complete rear body panels and floor. No frame work needed. Underside will be done in primer type deatil. Total interior redo, seat covers ect. Engine will be done all new and slightly internally warmed over. Rebuild trans. Rear gear swap and rebuild. Suspension redo and powder coated.
In short the car comes to me as it is. Not running and rusty. It gets delivered back in very, very nice driver quality, no paint daubs, overpray type details, turn key style. I came up with just north of 35,000 parts and labor. Opinions: is he going to take a swing at me or is my foot bleeding from a self inflicted injury?




you'll be ok north of $35k as long as you aren't on the hook for all the parts... I'd quote him less on labour based on a set amount of work plus parts and materials... any surprises are extra. You have no way of knowing what will and will not work, break or just plain be unusable after 40 years of neglect until you get it removed and in your hands. The worst thing any restorer can do is get themselves in a position where they are trying to cut corners to make a flat rate. The work you've been doing to date (body and paint for customer to assemble) is the easy part to quote. It's the little bits and peices that kill you...
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