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055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads?

Posted By: A12

055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 09/19/11 07:33 PM

(Bob), what is/are the differences between a 2949055 and a 2949054 radiator.........(not just the number of rows if there is anything else)

I think my 055 is a 2-row radiator with space at the front for a condensor (maybe?).

Thanks,

Mike

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Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 09/19/11 11:39 PM

055 is a 2 row , 054 ... well you know
Posted By: radiatorman

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 09/26/11 01:43 PM

Mike,
The 055 also has a 12" trans cooler and the 054 has a 15" cooler. Other than the lower tank being bigger on the 054, thats it.

Bob
Posted By: BLACKHEMIRR

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 09/27/11 02:09 AM

Bob,
sorry to have to ask you to clarify more, but I'm confused by what you and Johnrr said. Are you saying that the 054 originally is only a 2 row like the 055? Only difference is the lower tank? If you're "Glenn-Ray" Bob, thanks for the lower tank you just sent for my 70. Looks great. Tom
Posted By: radiatorman

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 09/27/11 01:30 PM

Hey Tom,
Glad I could help with the tank! The 054 is a factory 3-row and the 055 is a factory 2-row.

Bob
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 09/27/11 06:05 PM

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Bob,
sorry to have to ask you to clarify more, but I'm confused by what you and Johnrr said. Are you saying that the 054 originally is only a 2 row like the 055? Only difference is the lower tank? If you're "Glenn-Ray" Bob, thanks for the lower tank you just sent for my 70. Looks great. Tom




I guess I should have not assumed that everyone knew that the 054 was a 3 row, that was just between Mike and myself.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/16/11 02:25 AM

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Mike,
The 055 also has a 12" trans cooler and the 054 has a 15" cooler. Other than the lower tank being bigger on the 054, thats it.

Bob



Mike, I don't know if you answered this before but is the 055 on your broadcast sheet?
Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/16/11 07:46 AM

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Mike,
The 055 also has a 12" trans cooler and the 054 has a 15" cooler. Other than the lower tank being bigger on the 054, thats it.

Bob



Mike, I don't know if you answered this before but is the 055 on your broadcast sheet?




John the GTX is an "E" LA assembly plant car, no broadcast sheet but I'm 99% sure the 055 radiator is the original to the car, it is an original (nummbers matching) 3.54 Dana, 4-speed, 440 engine, even the original wheels and original spare. I think only the 4.10 Dana got the 054 radiator, saw an original 4.10 Dana 4-speed GTX at Mike's B/E&A get together a few years ago with the 054 (have photos....of course ) and another 3.54 Dana with a 055 at the Nat's too.

MikeR
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/16/11 01:13 PM

I think I need to see a broadcast sheet to be convinced. I know the 383 with the A31 package came with an 054. I am sure that by high performance radiator they meant maximum cooling. The literature that I remember used the words maximum cooling system. The 055 also came with a different fan clutch for A/C. I know your car is very original but the 054 could have been switched for a different home at some point?
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/16/11 05:31 PM

Wow, sounds like the factory could have saved us alot of trouble by using the words "3 row 26" rad" and "2 row 26" rad" on the axle package descriptions!

Need some broadcast sheets to put this one to bed boys.....

Mike, if you don't have any BS pics, I'm sure Dan, Doug or Barry do.


Dave
Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/16/11 11:55 PM

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I think I need to see a broadcast sheet to be convinced. I know the 383 with the A31 package came with an 054. I am sure that by high performance radiator they meant maximum cooling. The literature that I remember used the words maximum cooling system. The 055 also came with a different fan clutch for A/C. I know your car is very original but the 054 could have been switched for a different home at some point?




John, I agree that the 054 came with the A31 High Performance Axle Package with the 3.91 8-3/4 and that's what camee with my '69 road runner I ordered in '69 but my '69 GTX is a 3.54 Dana which is the A33 Track Pak.

As for the radiator being switch I can't rule that out. The car title shows me as the third owner and it was almost completely original down to the wheels that still have a set of '70's or '80's BFG T/A radials with the original T/A tread patern. I'll post two photos of the engine in the car untouched with 93,000+ miles on it, one that my friend took when he was told about it and one that was on ebay at the same time as my friend was looking at it (that's another long crazy story too).

Let me know if it looks like an original radiator and if you can tell if it's an 054 or 055:

Photo from ebay no sale:

(Remember this is a California silenced car with no chrome tips either)

LOOK AT THE RADIATOR CAP AND THE DIRECTION OF THE OVERFOLW TUBE!!! NOTE THE ANGLE

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Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 12:05 AM

The photo my friend took:

(Again note the angle of the overflow tube)

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Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 12:12 AM

The 055 radiator now cleaned and painted, with the 305 8 (October 31, 1968) date code. The GTX has a C16/December 16, 1968 Scheduled Production Date so it is close enough to be the original and I still believe it is the original radiator to the car.

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Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 12:25 AM

and here's a 054 LARGE FONT radiator in an A31 High Performance Axle package road runner (just like you said John ). And in this photo something should jump out at you that if the first two photos that I posted are of the original radiator, to my GTX then it is an 055 in the GTX


MikeR

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Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 03:32 AM

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and here's a 054 LARGE FONT radiator in an A31 High Performance Axle package road runner (just like you said John ). And in this photo something should jump out at you that if the first two photos that I posted are of the original radiator, to my GTX then it is an 055 in the GTX


MikeR




What's that , the painted fendertag on a Lynch Rd. car ?
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 03:39 AM

Mike, it looks like an original radiator but it also looks like the motor is red? Was the motor pulled and repainted at one time? All I'm saying is that from what I see in the parts manual and in the description of the axle packages, the 055 is supposed to be an A/C radiator and a high performance (max cooling) radiator is standard with all the axle packages and should be an 054. It would be interesting to see some broadcast sheets for some GTX's like yours.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 03:54 AM

The date code and radiator seem original but the 054 is the high performance radiator. Maybe for the A33, the description should have said simply a 26" radiator and they did not mean to describe it as a high performance radiator? I wonder if the 055 comes with the 3.55 8 3/4 axle package?
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 05:38 AM

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Mike, if you don't have any BS pics, I'm sure Dan, Doug or Barry do.


Dave






Basically ALL 383/440 optional axle packages (A31, A32, A34, A36), trailer towing (A35), Hemis and cop cars (BK or WK) got the 054.

A33 was 055.

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Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 05:39 AM



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Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 05:51 AM



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Posted By: moparfan53

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 06:02 AM

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Mike, if you don't have any BS pics, I'm sure Dan, Doug or Barry do.


Dave






Basically ALL 383/440 optional axle packages (A31, A32, A34, A36), trailer towing (A35), Hemis and cop cars got the 054.

A33 was 055.




Thanks very much for this info as well as the FSM info you posted in the Q&A A33 thread. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post6920208

It is great info that certainly cleared up a lot for me!
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 06:06 AM

Here's the FSM for this thread showing 440-4 speed was 055.

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Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 06:38 AM

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Here's the FSM for this thread showing 440-4 speed was 055.






MikeR
Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 03:20 PM

These two threads should be linked

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1

MikeR
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 07:57 PM

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These two threads should be linked

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1

MikeR




I don't think the board software allows this if that is what you are trying to say .
Posted By: 68427vette

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 08:10 PM

then what makes or desinates 055, mas cooling? Broadcast sheet? 440, with 4 sp,, is 055,, but what options make that override to 054? axle ratio? what package pkgs?
Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 08:33 PM

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then what makes or desinates 055, mas cooling? Broadcast sheet? 440, with 4 sp,, is 055,, but what options make that override to 054? axle ratio? what package pkgs?


For sure the 4.10 DANA gets the 054, I have a photo of a '69 4-speed 4.10 ratio Dana with a 054 radiator that is original to the car and it is small font with a Lynch Road SPD of 1 29 (Jan 29, '69).

I would say the axle ratio and type/size is at or near the top of the radiator spec list, then A/C or trailer tow of course but after that I don't know I don't think that power brakes (disc front or 4-wheel drums) would require more or different cooling needs?? What else is there unless there is a "tropical" option that goes with the "heater delete" option????

(I'll probably learn something here again today like I do everyday on Moparts )


MikeR
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 10:37 PM

What's odd is the 440 with 3.54's got the 055 but a 383 with 3.55's got the 054 ???
Posted By: 68427vette

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 11:10 PM

69 rt ws27conv. 440/ 4sp A33, A62 055 radiator.
Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/17/11 11:11 PM

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What's odd is the 440 with 3.54's got the 055 but a 383 with 3.55's got the 054 ???




That is odd

I wonder if Chrysler was just trying to get rid of stock and obsoleted the 055 2-row 26" radiators?

Radiator Bob said he has never seen a small font 055 radiator and I know that the small fonts first started to show up on Lynch Road cars near the end of Jan, '69.

A 3.23 8-3/4 with or without Suregrip got a 22" radator (without A/C or towing), a 3.54 Dana Suregrip got a 055, a 3.55 Suregrip got the 054, a 3.91 8-3/4 got a 054, a 4.10 8-3/4 and 9-3/4 Dana got the 054 and we never saw a small font or a 2-row 26" radiator again........making that last part up or is that true. What replaced the 055 2-row 26" radiator in 1970???


What was the extra space for in front of the '69 2949 055 and '68 28980 47 radiator for, air space for the A/C condensor


MikeR
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/18/11 12:41 PM

So, if you specified a 4-speed when ordering your new '69 GTX or RT, BUT did not want an axle package, then you got a DANA with 3:54 gears minus the requisite "max cooling" that would have been included were you to have ordered an axle package? Thus, your car would have had the 055 radiator installed?
Very interesting.....

I always thought that a 4-speed GTX,RT, or 440/426 Charger RT automatically came equipped with an axle package?
Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/18/11 03:54 PM

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So, if you specified a 4-speed when ordering your new '69 GTX or RT, BUT did not want an axle package, then you got a DANA with 3:54 gears minus the requisite "max cooling" that would have been included were you to have ordered an axle package? Thus, your car would have had the 055 radiator installed?
Very interesting.....

I always thought that a 4-speed GTX,RT, or 440/426 Charger RT automatically came equipped with an axle package?




I should have added or stated in my post that the 440 4-speeds were only available with a Dana axle but the 383 4-speeds came with an 8-3/4 (not a Dana)......I think that's correct??? What you said makes sense to me.

MikeR
Posted By: RJS

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/18/11 04:03 PM

I've had seen this confusion on this board numerous times. Finally I hope people will understand with all of this documentation that was presented.

Also would love to see your car 68427vette!!!!!

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Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/18/11 07:44 PM

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So, if you specified a 4-speed when ordering your new '69 GTX or RT, BUT did not want an axle package, then you got a DANA with 3:54 gears minus the requisite "max cooling" that would have been included were you to have ordered an axle package? Thus, your car would have had the 055 radiator installed?
Very interesting.....

I always thought that a 4-speed GTX,RT, or 440/426 Charger RT automatically came equipped with an axle package?




It's just one of those quirks that you have to learn and work through.

If you wanted a four speed in say a 383 Charger or sport Satellite, all you had to do was check the D21 box and that's it. You got a four speed.

You couldn't do that with a 440 or Hemi car. The only way to get a four speed was with the A33 Track Pac group that included the four speed, Dana, 055 et al.

While the A33 does include the 3.54 Dana, it's not necessarily considered an 'axle package' like the others are.

Odd...but true.
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/18/11 08:01 PM




.....A33 Track Pac group that included the four speed, Dana, 055 et al.

While the A33 does include the 3.54 Dana, it's not necessarily considered an 'axle package' like the others are.Odd...but true.




Every book & sales code manual that I've ever read says that "A33" is in fact an axle package which included the 054 radiator. My guess is that if you did not want an axle package, but did want a 4-speed, you got the DANA 3:54 and an 055 radiator? I wonder about the leaf springs and fan clutch in this case? Someone was kind enough to post build sheets earlier...gonna have a looksee...
Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/18/11 09:07 PM

Does the second photo (first engine photo) I posted look to have the first row of the radiator "veins" missing like the 055 radiator photo I posted at the beginning of this thread?

If you compare the road runner photo (T5, 4th photo) with the 054 radiator to the original dirty second photo there is no space there like there is with my GTX's radiator IMO.

Can we "assume" the GTX above with an 055 radiator with a 305-8 date code is the original radiator??


MikeR
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 12:00 AM

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Every book & sales code manual that I've ever read says that "A33" is in fact an axle package which included the 054 radiator.




I'd be interested in seeing those sources. Are they factory sources or aftermarket? Can you post them?
Posted By: moparfan53

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 12:20 AM

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.....A33 Track Pac group that included the four speed, Dana, 055 et al.

While the A33 does include the 3.54 Dana, it's not necessarily considered an 'axle package' like the others are.Odd...but true.




Every book & sales code manual that I've ever read says that "A33" is in fact an axle package which included the 054 radiator.




Here are the pages from the 1969 Dodge data book and price list. The A33 info does not have the word "axle" or any specific rad reference.

Just my

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Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 12:26 AM

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.....A33 Track Pac group that included the four speed, Dana, 055 et al.

While the A33 does include the 3.54 Dana, it's not necessarily considered an 'axle package' like the others are.Odd...but true.




Every book & sales code manual that I've ever read says that "A33" is in fact an axle package which included the 054 radiator.




Here are the pages from the 1969 Dodge data book and price list. The A33 info does not have the word "axle" or any specific rad reference.

Just my




On the sidebar info A33 is the only one that states "required" and not "available" and as has been noted the word "axle" is NOT used...you guys are good
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 01:02 AM

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.....A33 Track Pac group that included the four speed, Dana, 055 et al.

While the A33 does include the 3.54 Dana, it's not necessarily considered an 'axle package' like the others are.Odd...but true.




Every book & sales code manual that I've ever read says that "A33" is in fact an axle package which included the 054 radiator.



Given the originality of your car, the sample broacast sheets and the FSM, it gives you every reason to believe the 055 is original to your car. The Photos and FSM would suffice if any judge questioned it. I think that the Dodge accessories data you posted would still raise questions if you didn't have the other references. The Dodge info indicates that the A33 package has a 26" High Performance radiator and fan shroud that is (STD. Hemi). Must be an oversight or false advertising! IMO, I don't think you need to question it any further. It's just that the 3.54 really did not come with max cooling otherwise known as the HP radiator as advertised.

Posted By: Scatransit

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 02:22 AM




I'd be interested in seeing those sources. Are they factory sources or aftermarket? Can you post them?




These are factory/dealer...here ya go...

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Posted By: Scatransit

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 02:22 AM

more...

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Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 02:44 AM

What's the difference between the standard 4-speed transmission and the Heavy Duty 4-speed transmission? And is the "Hemi" 4-speed the same as the Heavy Duty 4-speed??

Seems the A33 and A34 option is keyed off of the HD 4-speed and the axle ratio and the 4.10 gets power disc brakes.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 02:45 AM

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Must be a mistake in the listing because there is no standard axle listed for the 440 with manual trans. Only optional rears.
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 02:55 AM

It was always my understanding that with respect to the GTX, RT, & 440/426 Charger, there was no standard axle when ordering a 4 speed...You had a choice of the two axle packages, and that was it.
Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 03:24 AM

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It was always my understanding that with respect to the GTX, RT, & 440/426 Charger, there was no standard axle when ordering a 4 speed...You had a choice of the two axle packages, and that was it.




But the 440/426 4-speed "required" a Dana, didn't it? What if you did't want a 3.54/3.55 or 4.10 ratio could you get a Dana with a 3.23 or other ratio?
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 03:39 AM

You had to get an automatic.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 03:45 AM

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The 055 radiator now cleaned and painted, with the 305 8 (October 31, 1968) date code. The GTX has a C16/December 16, 1968 Scheduled Production Date so it is close enough to be the original and I still believe it is the original radiator to the car.



Why didn't you keep the original California air cleaner on the car? Are you installing chrome exhaust tips?
Posted By: A12

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 05:17 AM

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The 055 radiator now cleaned and painted, with the 305 8 (October 31, 1968) date code. The GTX has a C16/December 16, 1968 Scheduled Production Date so it is close enough to be the original and I still believe it is the original radiator to the car.



Why didn't you keep the original California air cleaner on the car? Are you installing chrome exhaust tips?




Don't want to go OT but I like the sound of the unsilenced air cleaner cover and the exhaust tips and even thinking about putting an "air grabber" system on it. Had the dual snorkel on it.....another thing is that darn big dual snorkel air filter cover his HEAVY too and I'm sure it doesn't flow enough air to feed the Holley 770 under the unsilenced cover on there now took the stock road wheels off and going to redo them, put a set of G-70 red lines on them and go do a pure stock event or two......do I have to put the dual snorkel cover back on for that

Oh this is the GTX with the 055 radiator, 4-speed, 3.54 Dana to keep this OT

MikeR

Day Two now with the tips

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Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 06:31 AM

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Very cool. thanks.
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/19/11 12:29 PM

So I guess we can conclude from this that the 26" radiator used in axle packages is not always the max cooling unit. I also looked in Galen's parts book and, sure enough, the 055 was used in 440 powered 4-speed b-bodys "less max cooling". The only other application was for a/c cars. I guess max cooling and axle packages don't go hand-in-hand in this instance. Still, one has to wonder why...... life is a mystery....

Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 055 & 054 '69 RADIATORS are they both 3-row rads? - 11/21/11 05:08 PM

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So I guess we can conclude from this that the 26" radiator used in axle packages is not always the max cooling unit. I also looked in Galen's parts book and, sure enough, the 055 was used in 440 powered 4-speed b-bodys "less max cooling". The only other application was for a/c cars. I guess max cooling and axle packages don't go hand-in-hand in this instance. Still, one has to wonder why...... life is a mystery....






It all makes perfect sense to me except if the 8 3/4 cars with 3.55's got the 054....that's odd. I suppose the rationalization is that 3.55 is an optional axle package gear on the 383 cars (standard is 3.23) where the 3.54 is the "standard" gear with the 440-4spd.... Doesn't make any sense from an engineering perspective, but it does have some twisted logic from a sales perspective.



Dave
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