70 E dash seat belt light and bezel

This seat belt warning light and bezel, seen in pic below - is either 1) commonly missing on most restorations or 2) it just wasn't installed into too many cars - maybe only E conv's were to come through with one or those cars ordered with loaded light packages, of either A01/A04. Some one here should be able to clear the facts as I cannot.

Gran Coupe/SE/leather optioned HTs with overhead console would not require/have one, there is already a warning light in the console, but the convs may have had one.

Can't find it mentioned in the '70 Plymouth FSM or anywhere on the wiring diagram - the only mention of a replacement bulb there for any seat belt indicator is for a four door model Mopar.

Car has SPD of 7/3/70. Anyone else here have one of these in their E Body or seen one in one before? It is fed by the tan accessory feed on dash harness. The dash frame has a hole where this or the 4 spd reverse bezel is mounted.

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Lemme go snap a photo, and then post some words.

Only on non SE/GC cars with deluxe seat belts.

Nicholas,

If you have just joined one month ago with little lurking beforehand, let me warn you that there are many knowledgeable people on this site, some of whom are married to their "facts". Sometimes individual's "facts" differ from those of others, and bickering ensues. As a matter of fact, just my observation of this might itself cause bickering. This behavior is not limited to online boards - I spent a fair amount of time two weekends ago listening to someone patiently explaining just how 'wrong" my seat belts were, because he'd never seen anything like them.

Let me divide my comments into personal experience / empirical observation, and hearsay that was represented to me as "fact" by knowledgeable persons.

Personal experience / empirical observations:

I have owned a 1970 Challenger R/T convertible (SPD 9/15/69) since 1979. At the time I purchased it, there was nothing to lead me to believe anyone had tampered with the seat belts. The fender tag was present, but the buildsheet was missing (or perhaps discarded on my watch in Tijuana at an upholstery shop). On the fender tag is the code C15 - Deluxe Restraint System. On the dash is a red light that turns on with the courtesy circuit, and stays lit for a variable amount of time (ranging from as little as 10 to as much as 30 seconds) after the courtesy circuit goes off. The length of delay seems to increase, the longer the courtesy lights were lit. My seat belts are push-button style, with a white band around the perimeter. Although they [the female portion] appear slightly larger than the 71-ish push button style, the MALE portion appears to be the same (and firmly/solidly mates with either style). Attached is a photo with the Deluxe next to a 71-ish sample. You will notice the difference in size, button shape, top embossing, and white perimeter banding.

I have personally seen many other E body convertibles (R/T and otherwise) without this C15 group. It is, in my experience on the planet, a rare item.

Hearsay:

The bezel and mounting stuff is the same as the reverse light, with the exception of the lens.

In rare situations, it can be found on 4-speed cars, in which case the factory punches another hole, and the two lights are side-by-side.

The seat belts can also be found on selected C-bodies (although I have never seen this, and might be willing to buy the whole dang car just to get the rear belts that my car now lacks because of what some foolish kid did back in the 80's [please don't compare this date with my date of acquisition]).

I hope this helps. (You got any belts like mine?)

Yeah the info you posted definitely helps, me, and anyone else here interested or for future reference.

It does have seat belts with a white perimeter.

With some searching you'll find those rear seat belts you're wanting, maybe even this year since the fever may be flowing within again.

I'd like to see a pic of the light you have and if mounted to dash if you can also post one.

beepbeep posted an excellent pic of the two lights together.

So - '70 hard top models with C15 option will also have this same light and bezel and style of seat belts. Cool...

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I'd like to see a pic of the light you have and if mounted to dash if you can also post one.

So - '70 hard top models with C15 option will also have this same light and bezel and style of seat belts. Cool...

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I was quite surprised how the chrome showed up in this flash photo. It doesn't seem nearly this thrashed in natural light.

But thrashed it is. This car spent quite a lot of time sitting in the SoCal sun and smog with the top down. To say nothing of the fan blade through the hood. And the times there were three guys standing on the back seat hanging a triple-B.A. And the time when...

(you get the idea)

As for painting all C15-equipped hard tops with the same broad brush stroke, not so fast.

Beepbeep earlier alludes to the intersection of GC/SE models with C15. Perhaps simply the intersection of overhead console [which would already have a seat belt light] with C15. Now we're beyond hearsay, into the land of speculation by your humble poster.