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Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin?

Posted By: RapidusMaximus

Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/14/10 12:53 AM

Looks like I may try repairing the quarter panel myself on my 68 GTX...I notice on AMD's website they list both a quarter panel and a quarter panel skin with a significant difference in price...never done a quarter panel so sorry for the dumb question but what's the difference in the two? I've repaired my own floor pans and trunk pans but this is a first, so I'm open to all tips and advice...
Posted By: okie

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/14/10 01:08 AM

I would use the full panel. When I done mine they didn't have them and the partial panels were a pain to work with. I know the full panels would look and fit better than the others. Ronnie
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/14/10 02:26 PM

The skin is best to be cut up as patch panels, but is the AMD skin their own or is it what has been on the market? The old skins aren't even remotely correct.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/14/10 02:38 PM

I've been told by a few body guys while the cost of a full 1/4 is a large upfront price to pay, it will require far fewer hours to install and will usually look better w/ less work, so in the end you will be spending less on the body work. If you are doing it yourself I'd think the extra cost of a full 1/4 would offset the PITA it is to hang and finish the skin.
Posted By: smac77

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/14/10 03:31 PM


The AMD skin is their full 1/4 cut down to sell as a skin...

both have uses, depends on you preference and skills at metal finishing... guys will use a skin to save factory bodylines, numbers etc... or for patching to preserve as much original metal as possible...
full 1/4's eliminate the need to metal finish seems and joints
Posted By: Crocker

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/14/10 04:10 PM

I just finished correcting some shoddy body work on the '70 barracuda, So I just replaced the passenger side rocker panel and the lower section of the quarter in front of the wheelwell and behind the door jamb . The Rocker was a AMD and the fit was excellent. I bought a non AMD quarter panel skin I got from Cross Canada auto body (no Idea who manufacturers it) and sectioned out the piece I needed for the quarter repair. It took 3 or 4 hours of messaging to make the 12"x12" repair piece perfect. I don't know what the wheel well flange is like on the AMD quarter panel but the skin I had was rough stamped and required alot of trimming/messaging
Glenn C
Posted By: chargervert

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/14/10 05:22 PM

It is always better to put the full panels on and weld and blend them in the factory locations. To put the skin on will require a 6 foot long weld seam to weld and blend. This seam could come back and crack or have issues with body filler shrinking after the car is painted. It's well worth the extra cost of doing the full panels now and not having any issues resurface later on your painted car. A new paint job will cost a lot more than the difference in price of the panels and labor. We had no choice than to use the skins before,that was all there was,and we were greatful to have then,now there is an alternative. AMD stepped up and made OEM style panels for us.
Posted By: klunick

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/14/10 05:55 PM

Follow everyone's advice here and get the AMD full quarters. We are just finishing up putting Goodmark skins on my 67 Barracuda and wow, what a PITA. The Goodmark skins look good in the box but that is about it. I don't think those panels travel more than 8" without a wave in them to start with, the fit is terrible, and it turns out that they are actually just slightly too short. This doesn't even mention the fact that the body lines in no way come close to OEM. I am so glad I bought AMD full quarters for the Bee. The amount of time they will save will be well worth it. Unfortunately, AMD doesn't make full quarters for 67's.
Posted By: RapidusMaximus

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/15/10 03:38 AM

Wow...lots or really good advice and info guys, thanks. Looks like I will buy the full quarter...anys more tips, advice and lessons learned for the R&R of the full quarter for this this rookie?
Posted By: In_The_Pink

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/15/10 08:07 AM

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Wow...lots or really good advice and info guys, thanks. Looks like I will buy the full quarter...anys more tips, advice and lessons learned for the R&R of the full quarter for this this rookie?




Study the existing seams and joints before you start cutting them apart. Take pics if you won't be able to remember where three panels meet and how they butt or overlap, how they are welded, etc.

Take measurements from reference points that will not change when you cut off the original panel.

Spend the extra time carefully grinding and cutting away the old panel rather than cutting off too much to "save time"- you won't.

Don't throw away the pieces you remove until you're completely finished. They're a valuable reference tool when you can't remember how something is supposed to line up correctly.

Measure twice cut once is good advice, but plan on test fitting many, many times before you're ready to tack weld the quater panel in place.

Make sure the trunk lid, trunk hinges, etc.-- anything that fits in relation to the quarter panel-- are all ready to go when it's test fitting time. What might look like an even gap at first test fit may turn out to be uneven when the trunklid is adjusted later.

Follow your instincts- if the fit doesn't feel right or something just doesn't seem correct, don't just go ahead and weld it. Everything may not be 100% perfect, but a good fit goes a long way toward achieving the end result.

Let's not forget a full face mask and respirator when doing all that and either.
Posted By: smac77

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/16/10 03:31 AM

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I just finished correcting some shoddy body work on the '70 barracuda, So I just replaced the passenger side rocker panel and the lower section of the quarter in front of the wheelwell and behind the door jamb . The Rocker was a AMD and the fit was excellent. I bought a non AMD quarter panel skin I got from Cross Canada auto body (no Idea who manufacturers it) and sectioned out the piece I needed for the quarter repair. It took 3 or 4 hours of messaging to make the 12"x12" repair piece perfect. I don't know what the wheel well flange is like on the AMD quarter panel but the skin I had was rough stamped and required alot of trimming/messaging
Glenn C



I've bought those cross canada peices in the past when AMD wasn't available and they are still sitting on my shelf... Once I seen how shitty they were I just made my own.. I now use them to show the difference in quality of the two manufactures..
Posted By: smac77

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/16/10 03:36 AM

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Wow...lots or really good advice and info guys, thanks. Looks like I will buy the full quarter...anys more tips, advice and lessons learned for the R&R of the full quarter for this this rookie?




Study the existing seams and joints before you start cutting them apart. Take pics if you won't be able to remember where three panels meet and how they butt or overlap, how they are welded, etc.

Take measurements from reference points that will not change when you cut off the original panel.

Spend the extra time carefully grinding and cutting away the old panel rather than cutting off too much to "save time"- you won't.

Don't throw away the pieces you remove until you're completely finished. They're a valuable reference tool when you can't remember how something is supposed to line up correctly.

Measure twice cut once is good advice, but plan on test fitting many, many times before you're ready to tack weld the quater panel in place.

Make sure the trunk lid, trunk hinges, etc.-- anything that fits in relation to the quarter panel-- are all ready to go when it's test fitting time. What might look like an even gap at first test fit may turn out to be uneven when the trunklid is adjusted later.

Follow your instincts- if the fit doesn't feel right or something just doesn't seem correct, don't just go ahead and weld it. Everything may not be 100% perfect, but a good fit goes a long way toward achieving the end result.

Let's not forget a full face mask and respirator when doing all that and either.




clean and zinc prime (weld through primer) everything behind the panel while you have it off

and do the work with the car on its wheels with the doors, hood and fenders still on the car and properly aligned to the old 1/4 before you cut it off...
Posted By: Silver70

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/16/10 07:33 PM

I do agree with the full panel, but on my own cars I use to the skins to keep costs down. I do my own work and my time costs me nothing.
Posted By: cudabitten

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/18/10 01:09 AM

I just received the amd quarter skins both sides, outer wheel housings, drop offs,... I will be doing this with the car on stands. I'm not sure which way is better. Also, my fenders are already off but I think if the door is aligned ,that should be good enough. As far as weld thru primer, I tried using that stuff and had nothing but problems with the welds, ended up stripping it all off and going with shiny metal surfaces, then protecting after the weld. Could have been the way I was using it, but I just had much better welds without it. By the way, the amd sheet metal pieces were awesome. No scratches,dents, waves.. everything was packaged excellently.
Posted By: RapidusMaximus

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/18/10 01:59 AM

Thanks for all of the response guys... Had a friend of mine come over yesterday who's a retired high school autobody teacher and he also walked me through some helpful tips...and then said "good luck...better you than me, I'm retired"...
Posted By: RestoRick

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/18/10 03:00 AM

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I just received the amd quarter skins both sides, outer wheel housings, drop offs,... I will be doing this with the car on stands. I'm not sure which way is better. Also, my fenders are already off but I think if the door is aligned ,that should be good enough. As far as weld thru primer, I tried using that stuff and had nothing but problems with the welds, ended up stripping it all off and going with shiny metal surfaces, then protecting after the weld. Could have been the way I was using it, but I just had much better welds without it. By the way, the amd sheet metal pieces were awesome. No scratches,dents, waves.. everything was packaged excellently.




Try the U-pol #2 weld-through primer... expensive at about $25/can, but it works excellent, no "spatterfest" welding.

Rick
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/18/10 03:40 AM

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I do agree with the full panel, but on my own cars I use to the skins to keep costs down. I do my own work and my time costs me nothing.




I only agree with the full panel if the damage to the original 1/4 is extensive; otherwise I'd prefer to keep as much of the original panel as possible.

Dave
Posted By: smac77

Re: Quarter panel vs Quarter panel skin? - 10/19/10 03:36 AM

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I just received the amd quarter skins both sides, outer wheel housings, drop offs,... I will be doing this with the car on stands. I'm not sure which way is better. Also, my fenders are already off but I think if the door is aligned ,that should be good enough. As far as weld thru primer, I tried using that stuff and had nothing but problems with the welds, ended up stripping it all off and going with shiny metal surfaces, then protecting after the weld. Could have been the way I was using it, but I just had much better welds without it. By the way, the amd sheet metal pieces were awesome. No scratches,dents, waves.. everything was packaged excellently.




Try the U-pol #2 weld-through primer... expensive at about $25/can, but it works excellent, no "spatterfest" welding.

Rick



Don't use the cheap stuff unless you enjoy hot bits of slag popping like crazy , blowing your panel apart, and sending moltem bits of metal running down the inside of your shirt or leg ! Another trick if you're plug welding is to zinc prime then just scratch the area in the hole up a bit to get contact for the welder, once you have melt and a bond acheived then the electrical connection improves... and make sure the panels are tight together or it's going to pop and sputter no mater what you do...
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