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70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood

Posted By: HPMike

70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 01:04 PM

I know they made a few hemis, but what about 6 pack cars? With the lack of shakers would/did they put any T/A hoods on six pack (non T/A)cars? Would they have the unsilenced air cleaner? I have seen the oddball hemi baseplate, was there a 440 six pack baseplate to seal to the hood??

MB
Posted By: bremotorsports

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 01:15 PM

Mike,

The T/A hood is fully accepted in NHRA Stock and Super Stock (Matt Rover's B/SA 71 440+6 car has it, among others) but in the real world, I know of no original examples at this time.

Bill Rolik
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 03:47 PM

Barry Washington has all the info on the N94 hooded non T/A cars.Maybe he will chime in
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 04:23 PM

Quote:

I know they made a few hemis, but what about 6 pack cars? With the lack of shakers would/did they put any T/A hoods on six pack (non T/A)cars? Would they have the unsilenced air cleaner? I have seen the oddball hemi baseplate, was there a 440 six pack baseplate to seal to the hood??

MB



The T/A hood / lack of Shakers story has been proven here many times as a myth. IIRC, the two situations do not overlap time wise.
Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 04:40 PM

Correct.
Posted By: HPMike

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 04:50 PM

Quote:

Barry Washington has all the info on the N94 hooded non T/A cars.Maybe he will chime in



Tom

What do ya think, FAST legal????

MB
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 05:16 PM

Quote:


The T/A hood / lack of Shakers story has been proven here many times as a myth. IIRC, the two situations do not overlap time wise.



Just to elaborate a little further so that no one gets confused. Yes, some non TA challengers received that fiberglass hood. No, it doesn't have anything to do with a lack of shaker hoods.

Tav
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 05:20 PM

Yes Mike definetly legal.I think Barry has a 71 383 on file.It could be had for sure
Posted By: HPMike

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 05:54 PM

Quote:

Yes Mike definetly legal.I think Barry has a 71 383 on file.It could be had for sure



Thanks

Hey Tom,

You might have to school this guy a little. He's a little green and will need some experienced help. Don't worry, he'll have the right clutch and trans

MB
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 06:17 PM

barry,s on vacation
he was here at my shop yesterday
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 06:40 PM

Quote:

barry,s on vacation
he was here yesterday



.....you mean a real vacation, right:? Not the Moparts version?

Dave
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 08:23 PM

yes real
as in not home in ak
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 08:25 PM

You are talking about John right Mike? I can't wait to lend a hand or er a foot.Whatever it takes
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 08:36 PM

I know of the existence of four 1970 non-T/A Challengers built with the N94 fiberglas hood.
FWIW The three listed below that still exist also have the "J81" rear spoiler.

JS23R0B - black R/T 4-spd "RIP"
JS23R0B - red R/T automatic
JH23H0B - blue automatic
JS23N0B - green R/T automatic (pic below)

I've heard a rumor/seen a pic of a blue 440 SIX PACK car in Texas, but no proof of factory installed hood.
I'd "assume" the 440 Six Pack cars would use the T/A air cleaner.
Posted By: HPMike

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 08:54 PM

Quote:

You are talking about John right Mike? I can't wait to lend a hand or er a foot.Whatever it takes



Yep, It's JP. He's very excited. I am looking forward to this build. Shouldn't give Big Ed anything to worry about, but I do predict some good things.

Finally get to build a car with a "good" Polyglas tire.

MB
Posted By: 70challrtse

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 10:12 PM

Quote:

barry,s on vacation
he was here at my shop yesterday


Did he help you package my spacers?
Posted By: ryangtogtx

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 10:19 PM

There was a V code 70 Challenger with a T/A hood that went through the Mecum Auction in St. Paul a few weeks ago. I wasn't there, but the listing says it was professionally restored and has the broadcast sheet. Lot number S213 http://www.mecumauction.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=MN0608-71370&entryRow=205

High bid of 56K.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 10:45 PM

Quote:

yes real
as in not home in ak





Dave
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/18/08 11:06 PM

Quote:

There was a V code 70 Challenger with a T/A hood that went through the Mecum Auction in St. Paul a few weeks ago......



I wasn't there either, but 4-spd & bench seat doesn't tend to indicate an "authentic" restoration.
Anybody know this car?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/19/08 12:05 AM

no i did that package my self
barry was to busy digging through all the dealer paperwork i had
Posted By: ryangtogtx

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/19/08 03:16 AM

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There was a V code 70 Challenger with a T/A hood that went through the Mecum Auction in St. Paul a few weeks ago......



I wasn't there either, but 4-spd & bench seat doesn't tend to indicate an "authentic" restoration.
Anybody know this car?



Why not, this seat was available?
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/19/08 03:31 AM

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There was a V code 70 Challenger with a T/A hood that went through the Mecum Auction in St. Paul a few weeks ago......



I wasn't there either, but 4-spd & bench seat doesn't tend to indicate an "authentic" restoration.
Anybody know this car?



Why not, this seat was available?



ALL manual transmission E-bodies were bucket seat cars.
ALL bench seat E-bodies were column shift automatics.
Posted By: N9671X2

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/19/08 10:57 AM

Quote:

barry,s on vacation
he was here at my shop yesterday



Tell Barry to check his email, I sent him an email last night he has been waiting for for years
Posted By: ryangtogtx

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/19/08 01:58 PM

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There was a V code 70 Challenger with a T/A hood that went through the Mecum Auction in St. Paul a few weeks ago......



I wasn't there either, but 4-spd & bench seat doesn't tend to indicate an "authentic" restoration.
Anybody know this car?



Why not, this seat was available?



ALL manual transmission E-bodies were bucket seat cars.
ALL bench seat E-bodies were column shift automatics.



I apologize, I'm not as familiar with E bodies, but I assumed that the bench seat was an option with a 4 speed, much like the GTX came standard with bucket seats, you could opt for a bench regardless of transmission.
Posted By: JamaicaBlue

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/19/08 06:41 PM

Quote:

I know of the existence of four 1970 non-T/A Challengers built with the N94 fiberglas hood.
FWIW The three listed below that still exist also have the "J81" rear spoiler.

JS23R0B - black R/T 4-spd "RIP"
JS23R0B - red R/T automatic
JH23H0B - blue automatic
JS23N0B - green R/T automatic (pic below)

I've heard a rumor/seen a pic of a blue 440 SIX PACK car in Texas, but no proof of factory installed hood.
I'd "assume" the 440 Six Pack cars would use the T/A air cleaner.



Was the blue Texas car you are referring to was around Dallas? If so I bought it several years ago. It wasn't a real N94 car just an old drag car with an original T/A hood. See pic of car and fender tag.


Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/19/08 08:02 PM

I'll have to find the pic of it in a field & 440 SIX PACK emblems on the hood?
... although EB7 and the paint loss seems familiar.
Posted By: JamaicaBlue

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/19/08 09:20 PM

Quote:

I'll have to find the pic of it in a field & 440 SIX PACK emblems on the hood?
... although EB7 and the paint loss seems familiar.



The guy I bought it from said it sat outside in a field with a couple of other Mopars for about 13 years. It did have 440 Six Pack emblems on the side of the scoop.

Please find that pic. If it is my car I would love to see another picture of it from its dormant years.
Posted By: XXHEMI

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/19/08 09:29 PM

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Yes Mike definetly legal.I think Barry has a 71 383 on file.It could be had for sure



Thanks

Hey Tom,

You might have to school this guy a little. He's a little green and will need some experienced help. Don't worry, he'll have the right clutch and trans

MB



Really?????????????????
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/19/08 09:44 PM

I heard years ago that you could special order the T/A hood on a Hemi Cuda also? Will the Dodge hood fit on a Cuda? They are not interchangeable on the A12 B Bodies.
Posted By: RJS

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/20/08 12:49 AM

Quote:

I heard years ago that you could special order the T/A hood on a Hemi Cuda also? Will the Dodge hood fit on a Cuda? They are not interchangeable on the A12 B Bodies.



NO Plymouth's have a header panel
Posted By: FC7cuda

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/20/08 01:49 AM

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I know of the existence of four 1970 non-T/A Challengers built with the N94 fiberglas hood.
FWIW The three listed below that still exist also have the "J81" rear spoiler.

JS23R0B - black R/T 4-spd "RIP"
JS23R0B - red R/T automatic
JH23H0B - blue automatic
JS23N0B - green R/T automatic (pic below)

I've heard a rumor/seen a pic of a blue 440 SIX PACK car in Texas, but no proof of factory installed hood.
I'd "assume" the 440 Six Pack cars would use the T/A air cleaner.



Was the blue Texas car you are referring to was around Dallas? If so I bought it several years ago. It wasn't a real N94 car just an old drag car with an original T/A hood. See pic of car and fender tag.






Know the car, it looked great with the T/A hood, but not original. Check with XS29J8 for more pics of the car in it's dormant years..

Best,
Tom
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/20/08 06:19 PM

I saw one NEW in 1970 sitting in front of Mr. Norm's showroom on the street with dealer plates on it. It was Panther Pink, Black vinyl top, Black rear window louvers, Black rear spoiler, Black interior, Console 4 speed, 440 six pack with the Black T/A type hood. It was stunning!
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/20/08 10:45 PM

Quote:

Know the car, it looked great with the T/A hood, but not original. Check with XS29J8 for more pics of the car in it's dormant years..

Best,
Tom




Tom,

That's not my old Six Pack Challenger which was a B5 Blue with blue interior 4 Speed car. The car was restored by Tem and ran a T/A hood for most of the time he owned it, but changed to the correct Rallye hood before he sold it...

Allen

Attached picture 4563857-TemG1970SixPackChallengerRT_Pic001.jpg
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/20/08 10:47 PM

Same car with a T/A hood...

Attached picture 4563861-TemG1970SixPackChallengerRT_Pic004.jpg
Posted By: Day2Runner

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/20/08 11:19 PM

Same car with a T/A hood...

Attached picture 4563918-nosomo032.jpg
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/20/08 11:40 PM

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Same car with a T/A hood...



That is a better picture... thanks for posting it Dan!

Allen
Posted By: Day2Runner

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/21/08 12:00 AM

once again as the 3 E-amigos

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Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/21/08 04:03 AM

Tom, it was great visiting you.

The N94 hood was an option on Challenger 340s and Challenger R/Ts after it's introduction in 1970, and this did continue for the 1971 model year.

The Challenger Shaker hoods being "replaced" with the N94 hood is a myth as stated earlier in the thread. The 1970 shaker hoods were available (again) before the N94 hood was released for production.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 70 Challenger R/T V code with T/A hood - 07/21/08 07:49 AM

While looking for additional info to add, I found a copy of a thread I printed off MOPARTS on 6/12/2003
reply posts by the "usual suspects": Y07_A66, ph23vo, 442w30, KISSAlien, Snoopy, worthywads & formula_s

Thread was started by MoparDanny, apparently he kicked his addiction and is no longer a user.
"70 Challenger 340 with N94 Option???"
VIN# JH23H0B405538
E55 D32 J45 J81 N94 R22 V98
was listed on ebay #2419085297 at the time

excerpt from a dealer memo:

4/13/70 ... The Challenger T/A Fiberglass Hood (N94) is now available on all Challenger models with 4-barrel engines. It cannot be ordered with the Shaker Hood, Moulding Group A (A63) or with the Special Edition models. The radio antenna will be mounted on the rear quarter panel as with the T/A Package. Because of the Dull Organisol Black finish, the Hood Performance Tape Treatment (V21) will not be available.

Per the memo 440 w/SIXPACK may be questionable 2-barrel(s), but I doubt it. It would also appear that a base Challenger JH23/27 with 383 4-barrel could've been ordered. The rear mounted antenna also may have been hit or miss. The two HEMI cars were radio-less when new, and if memory serves me right the 340 car 's antenna was on the front fender same as where my car's factory antenna hole is.
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