15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location

Posted By: cataclysm80

15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/14/09 12:21 AM

I got a spare rallye wheel that came with my car when I bought it. I was told it came off a Red AAR with a build date of April 2 if I recall correctly. (I have the AAR's VIN around here somewhere) I got several other parts from that AAR with my car also because the AAR had been totaled.

Anyway, I was looking at this rallye wheel, and I'm not seeing any stampings on it. Shouldn't it have a pentastar and 15 x 7 JJ and a date code or something like that? Or, did the earlier wheels not have these stampings?

Where do I look? What do I have here?

Thanks
Tav

Posted By: shakerjoe

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/14/09 02:59 AM

I have 2 15x7 Rallyes Tav w/o any markings also, was wondering the same - Joe

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/14/09 02:45 PM

I have heard that some of the earlier plain wheels didn't have part #'s

I did manage to find some #'s on my Rallye wheel though (with a little help from some sandpaper, it had been repainted)

There are some #'s on the outside of the wheel near the valve stem.
294?390 (? It's hard to read cause it's not stamped deep, but this is the part #)
MI
9 12 (valve stem) 9 Pentastar

So it's an M wheel (which is some kind of vendor code) made in 1969, on December 9th.

Is that about the right date for an April 2 SPD AAR, or is this from some other car?

With the wheel sitting up on edge (as it would on the car) and the valve stem all the way at the bottom, I found some numbers inside the wheel (where the tire would cover them up) at about the 1 o'clock position.

2 (Archaic Wheel Association symbol) M 15x 7 JJ
D 2 MADE IN U.S.A. MI9 852

Anyone know what the 852 means?

Tav

Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/14/09 07:01 PM

Ralllye wheel code locations.

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Posted By: Day2Runner

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/14/09 10:26 PM

anyone ever see this sticker

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Posted By: Day2Runner

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/14/09 10:29 PM

70 71 rallyes

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Posted By: Day2Runner

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/14/09 10:33 PM

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Posted By: HemiGreg

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/14/09 10:42 PM

very early 15 x7s dont have part #
I have a full set of 8/69 wheels that have dates but no part number.

Posted By: TONY_DAGOSTINO

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/15/09 12:42 AM

thats a over the counter wheel

also, i believe the repo rallys dont have #s on them

Posted By: 340cpe

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/15/09 12:45 AM

Are the number locations and format the same for Magnum 500's?

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Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/17/09 01:59 AM

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Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 09/17/09 10:05 PM

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Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/08/09 07:14 PM

I've got a full set of 14 inch rallyes here now. I've had them about 10 years. They came with my 70 'cuda, which is coded for 14 inch rallyes on the broadcast sheet. I swapped on a repro set of 15 inch rallyes several years ago, and have just been using this 14 inch set to roll projects around the shop when needed.

I recently took a look at the #'s stamped onto the wheels. Yes, they're a full matching set. They all have the same stampings with a date code of April 14th. (my 'cuda SPD is June 1970). I'm having trouble figuring out what YEAR these wheels are from. There is a "4" stamped next to the letter M. It's hard to read what is stamped below the M where the year is usually located. Nearest I can tell, it resembles a 0 with a line over it. Maybe that's a # 3? Anyone seen markings like this before? Are these 73 or 74 wheels? I'm guessing they're not the right set for my 70 'cuda?

Check out the pics...

Tav

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Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/08/09 07:15 PM

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Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/08/09 07:18 PM

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/08/09 08:07 PM

They look like 2nd version centers.

What's the part number in the 1st pic?
Are you sure those are 14x5-1/2"?

Here's a M1/9 12 -O- 17 "rallye wheel" (14x5-1/2" 12/17/69)

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Posted By: A12RTX2340

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/09/09 10:03 PM

I have a matching set (5) of 1971 15 X 7 Rallye wheels part# 2944390 dated 12-29-70 with 2 orig dark centers as well as 2 orig G60-15 polyglas GT tires that were still mounted when I got them-the tires are dated B4 and B3NBJCDL-2nd and 3rd week of 71' from the Akron Ohio plant. I have access to the other dark centers and trim rings with the part # stickers still on them w/part# 3461222. I'd love to get a set that HEMIGREG has dated 8/69 for early 70' car with the matching 15 X 7 steel wheel spare for early cars as well. I've heard they have no part# as well-just date codes.

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/10/09 03:34 AM

Would any car in '70 or '71 have 5 matching "rallye", "road", or body colored wheels, or
is the spare always a "black" steel wheel?

Posted By: shakerjoe

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/10/09 03:06 PM

GOOD QUESTION - thought about asking this myself, especially after seeing Vanishing Point AGAIN last week on cable, when he changed the flat in the desert, and he put another Rallye on. Also, on the VP topic, there was a scene where the tape must be reversed when they edited, Kowalski is driving/steering wheel is on the right side of the car - but waiting on an answer on your ? 6bblGT - Joe

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/10/09 05:20 PM

All '70-'71 e-bodies with 15" wheels had the BFGoodrich "space-saver" spare.
That would not have worked so well for KOWALSKI & the movie!

Posted By: billyfury

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/12/09 02:38 AM

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Would any car in '70 or '71 have 5 matching "rallye", "road", or body colored wheels, or
is the spare always a "black" steel wheel?

dan my unrestored 70 GT came with road wheels and a black spare. the original owner told me that he was upset to find this out and went back to the dealer and demanded a road wheel to match. the dealer did order and give him one. he carried a spare wheel center in the trunk in case he ever needed to use the spare. when i got the car it still had the nos center in it's original box with a mailing label to the selling dealer. I always figured not only was this cheaper for chrysler, but the wheel center on any road/ralley wheel would interfere with the "through the wheel center" mount system in the trunk.

billyfury

Posted By: NANKET

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/12/09 03:11 AM

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Would any car in '70 or '71 have 5 matching "rallye", "road", or body colored wheels, or
is the spare always a "black" steel wheel?

AFIK the spare is always a black steel wheel, have not seen a special wheel in the trunk on an original car.

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/13/09 05:12 PM

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They look like 2nd version centers. What's the part number in the 1st pic?
Are you sure those are 14x5-1/2"?

Here's a M1/9 12 -O- 17 "rallye wheel" (14x5-1/2" 12/17/69)

Thanks for helping Dan! Sorry for taking so long to get back to this. I'm getting ready for a road trip, so things have been very busy for me.

The part # on these wheels is 3580058. I'm sure they're 14 inch rallye wheels, but they all have tires mounted on them right now, so I can't see the other #'s that would be inside the rim.

I don't really need these wheels, I've just been using them around the shop, but a guy contacted me that would like to buy them if they are the correct build date for his June of 1970 'Cuda. I don't want to sell him the wrong parts, so I'm trying to check and see if these are really the ones that came on my June of 70 'Cuda, or if they had been swapped at some point in the cars life.

What do you guys think?

Thanks for any input.

Tav

Posted By: Snoopy

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/13/09 06:00 PM

3580058 - 1972-4 14x5.5" B & E-Body with disc brakes

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/14/09 01:43 AM

Thanks Snoopy!

That's interesting, do disc brake cars use different wheels than drum brake cars? I didn't think they did, but my 70 that I got these with IS a disc brake car.

Looks like these aren't the wheels that guy is looking for. Oh well, guess he'll have to keep looking.

Tav

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 15 x 7 Rallye Wheel part # / date code location - 10/14/09 02:24 AM

Here's a couple more pics of the #2944 252 pictured above:

Motor Wheel Corp. plant #1 "MADE IN USA" ----- 14x5-1/2" JJ

I think the W21 wheel manufacturing moved to CANADA for the '72 model year.
Does anyone have a dis-mounted #3580 058, WAG - M4 is CANADA & hoop/rim style is JK

Motor Wheel Corp. plant #4 "MADE IN ??????" ----- 14x5-1/2" ??