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Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors

Posted By: 340SIX

Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/27/09 10:29 PM

Thinking I will get the whole new front floor 70 E body with the flange? The GoodMark are less $$ are they realy not as good?
The thing I do not get is why they have 2-3 venders for the same parts and other things need to be made.
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/28/09 05:49 AM

If I was doing this, I'd choose the AMD 70 only floor. 70 has the extra lip around the edge to fasten to the car. 71-74 does not have this lip because it attaches to a ledge on the rocker instead. If you put a 71-74 floor (which is what most repro's seem to be designed after) in a 70 then you'll have to leave the 70 floor lip + a little intact so that you have something to weld to.
I've heard of guys removing their entire 70 floor only to find out their aftermarket floor didn't have enough material around the edge to fasten onto the car. Bummer, they had to do some fabricating.

If you're particular to this sort of thing, 71-74 floors also have some different contours/humps, etc. that are not present on the 70 only style floor. They don't affect the function of the floor, but if you know what to look for, you could see that the floor had been changed.

I'll try to post more here soon and include some pics.

Tav
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/28/09 11:28 PM

This is a 70 Challenger. Pic taken just inside the driver kick panel. (The sheetmetal here is identical to what was used on a 70 barracuda.)

The rusty piece of metal on top of the floor is an aftermarket 71-74 style floor.

You can see in this pic that the 70 floor has a vertical bent lip to attach to the rest of the car.

The 71-74 floor does not have this vertical lip. On the 71-74 cars the rocker was redesigned with a ledge for the floor to sit on top of.

So, if you're putting a 71-74 floor into a 70 car, make sure to leave enough of the original 70 floor to weld to. The 70 cars don't have a ledge on the rocker for the 71-74 floor to sit on top of.

This info applies to the rear floor pans also.

Tav

Attached picture 5447306-70vs71-74floors.JPG
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/28/09 11:42 PM

This is a 74 Challenger. Typical of 71-74 Challenger & Barracuda. (convertibles use a thick extra reinforcement plate inside the rocker, but are otherwise similar)

In this pic you can see the ledge on the rocker that the 71-74 floor sits on top of.

70 cars don't have this ledge on the rocker and rely on the floors vertical lip to attach to the car.

Tav

Attached picture 5447336-InsideRockerPanel.JPG
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 12:51 AM

Here is a 1970 floor with an aftermarket 71-74 style manual transmission hump installed. This clearly illustrates a floor contour difference between the 70 vs the 71-74. This difference does not affect the fit of the floor, or it's function, but is visible from under the car just behind the torsion bar crossmember if you know what you're looking for.

Tav

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Posted By: Mopower_333

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 01:22 AM

I think he was talking about quality mostly. I bought a full floor from goodmark from a dealer on ebay. IT was right after christmas and I got it plus the rear footwells for $345 then another $145 to ship. I couldn't pass up the deal. I talked to a local body guy and he says there stuff is either really nice or needs to be modified. I haven't had the time to put the floor in yet, but it looks real nice and i don't see any quaility issues so far.
Posted By: 340SIX

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 01:36 AM

This is of the floor with some still on the sides but the patches were to short {body shop }
I see what you meen I went and looked at the car today at my dads place.
The edges have an up and over like an up side down L
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee87/fast340six/Challenger%20floor/floor11.jpg
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee87/fast340six/Challenger%20floor/challengerfloor5_22036279.jpg
Posted By: 340SIX

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 01:47 AM

I have 1970 rear foot wells from AMD. Goodmark outside wheel wells,AMD inners,Goodmark full quarters but not for a vert.
Now looking at not spending the time to cut out,blast/epoxy prime and pacth up used stuff,I have enough to do/get done.
So it is 1970 with the lips for front floor and under seat area.
From AMD,Goodmark or Sherman
Signed owner of the Fred Flinstone Challenger...Yabba Dabba Doo
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 02:08 AM

Here's an aftermarket 71-74 style floor. (it's installed in a 70 car and the body plug holes haven't been drilled yet, but it still shows what I would like to point out)

When you compare this floor to the 1970 floor pictured above, you can see some other contour differences, particularly in the ribbing under the drivers feet. Again, this doesn't affect fit or function, it's just a noticeable difference for those who know what to look for. For years a correct 70 floor was not available and a lot of 70 cars have had to use this type of floor.

Tav

Attached picture 5447651-71-74floor.jpg
Posted By: flypaper

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 02:15 AM

kevin, go with the amd stuff
for a couple of reasons..
first, goodmark has sold us in the hobby crap for
many years
the ONLY reason they have gottin better and stepped up thier game is because if they didn't they would be put out of buisness by amd,not because they want to make a better product.
i refuse to use them on that reason alone.
i've seen alot of amd products up close personally and
have used a few and they
get the from me.
amd all the way
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 02:21 AM

Front floor pans are the same on Barracuda & Challenger. The only difference would be the year, 70 vs. later. (If you're getting a used floor from a parts car, you'd also want to consider manual vs auto trans, & console vs no console.)

Rear floor pans have the 70 vs. later difference, + they are also different on Barracuda vs. Challenger. The Challenger has a two inch longer wheelbase. On the bottom of the car, the Challengers extra two inches are a flat strip of metal which is at the leading edge of the rear floor pan. Challengers also have an extra body plug on each side of the car within that 2 inch flat section.

To put Challenger rear floor pans in a Barracuda, you'd need to cut two inches off.

To put Barracuda rear floor pans in a Challenger, you'd have to weld in an extra two inches across the front.


(just a note: On the side of a Challenger the extra two inches are between the rear wheelwell & the door. On the top of a Challenger the extra two inches are mostly in the C pillar, but the whole roof is different, so it's hard to compare.)

Tav
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 03:45 AM

I'm pretty sure that the new floor pan will be just the floor pan. There are several things you'll need to move over onto the new one from your original.

Bucket seat reinforcements (big square plates around seat holes)

Speedo cable retaining tab (below drivers feet)

Dimmer switch holes.

console / shifter brackets. (be careful to get these in the right spot!)

And on the rear floor pans...
Seat belt reinforcements (rectangular plate threaded for seat belt bolt)

Parking Brake Cable Guide

Tav
Posted By: 340SIX

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 03:59 AM

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I'm pretty sure that the new floor pan will be just the floor pan. There are several things you'll need to move over onto the new one from your original.

Bucket seat reinforcements (big square plates around seat holes)

Speedo cable retaining tab (below drivers feet)

Dimmer switch holes.

console / shifter brackets. (be careful to get these in the right spot!)

And on the rear floor pans...
Seat belt reinforcements (rectangular plate threaded for seat belt bolt)

Parking Brake Cable Guide

Tav


thats why I was asking for a realy clean underside pic with whats what. I have all of that but may be located in anther place on a differant year car.
The AMD rears have the seat belt reinforcements and the 70 lip.
The front pans have them as well but I have everything just unsure of locations for a 1970 car.
I have plenty of time to get a good pic or 2 with locations of everything.
I saved a few pics of cars on here on a rotissire{sp?}
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 04:08 AM

The 1970 parking brake uses a long cable that splits into two cables on the drivers side near the rear end.

Tav

Attached picture 5447955-70ChallengerFloor.jpg
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 04:13 AM

1970 parking brake cable routing from a different angle.

Tav

Attached picture 5447972-70parkingbrakecablerouting.jpg
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 04:18 AM

The 71-74 parking brake setup splits into two cables closer to the front of the car & uses a single cable bracket on each rear frame rail instead of having the double bracket on the driver rear frame rail like 70.

Tav

Attached picture 5447985-71-74parkingbrakecablerouting.jpg
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 04:25 AM

Here's another pic of the 71-74 setup.

Tav

Attached picture 5447995-71-74parkingbrakecables.jpg
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 05:38 AM

I hope that helps.

Need anything else?

Tav
Posted By: 340SIX

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 06:01 AM

Quote:

I hope that helps.

Need anything else?

Tav


Thanks I will save them all.
Posted By: moparmojo

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 02:40 PM

Well I am doing my first floor pan on a 70 Challenger conv. I went to a couple shows and really looked at the different vendors and found the AMD stuff was really nice. The Goodmark floors seemed a bit thin and in comparison a little flimsy. However, the AMD is more costly. I ended up ordering a full 70 front floor with flanges and the right and left mid floor pans.

Once I had the old pans drilled and out of the way, I test fit my new sheet metal and it fell in place. So my two cents would be to order the correct pan so there is less head aches. The AMD pans I got should just be a matter of plug welding a few dozen holes and then I will be finished. I have had a couple other Mopar guys come over and check out my AMD pans and they also thought they were pretty nice. Floor pans seem to take quite a beating and I did not want to have to do it again, so I went with the AMD stuff. I think you would be too once you get over the price. Heres a pic of mine laid in there.

Posted By: 340SIX

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/29/09 06:08 PM

I already have the AMD 1 part trunk floor and extentions rear right and left so and wheel wells........
Will get the AND front floor and under seat as well, was going to just patch some but
One bad thing with all that new black panels it will be hard to shoot FJ5 on it.
Always wanted a triple black vert with matte stripes and hood black out
Was the Challenger on the dash pad always red? Mine was black and Just Dashes put a new black one on
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/30/09 06:07 AM

I've seen a red barracuda emblem before on a red dashpad. I think the color of the base material the emblem is made from matches the dash pad color. Just Dashes doesn't use chrome finish emblems, but originally the emblems had a chrome finish. That original finish wore off easily, especially with any ammonia based cleaner. You could try using silver paint on yours, or maybe you could get a chromed one from Ultimate Rides.

Tav
Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/30/09 04:30 PM

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One bad thing with all that new black panels it will be hard to shoot FJ5 on it.
Always wanted a triple black vert with matte stripes and hood black out




Was the car originally FJ5? Tell us more. Is it an R/T? Lots of options? What's it like?

Triple black with matte stripes and hood black out would look good, but Triple black with gloss stripes and matte hood black out would be a more correct combination.

Tav
Posted By: moparmojo

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 08/30/09 06:32 PM

I can only assume the dash is the original as it does not look like it has been messed with. My car was originally red so it may have made sense for the script to be red as well. Guess I never really looked at them and noticed any color difference. Red sure looks good but I am having a tough time wanting to change it back from the yellow. It looks really good too.
Posted By: domingo

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 09/01/09 01:46 PM

Kevin. AMD hands down...and dont look back! Waaaaay better quality.

Plus they make all year specific parts. Not generic "one part fits all years" like Goodmark does. Be sure to specify yours is a 1970 Challenger. They make year specific pans.
Posted By: 340SIX

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 09/01/09 02:06 PM

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Kevin. AMD hands down...and dont look back! Waaaaay better quality.

Plus they make all year specific parts. Not generic "one part fits all years" like Goodmark does. Be sure to specify yours is a 1970 Challenger. They make year specific pans.


AMD is one thw way already should have posted back.
Got it threw Daneil EBodyproducts.com
Also a member at Cuda-Challenger.com and gave me a sale price and cheap shipping
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 09/01/09 02:55 PM








Looks nice, but why couldn't AMD stamp the ribs correctly like a '70 (and a '71 for that matter) in the front pan? Always was and I guess will still be a dead give away if the front floor has been replaced or not...
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 09/01/09 02:59 PM

Here is a '71 hemicuda with original front pan with correct stamping around the drain plug (borrowed from Restorick's site).

Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 09/01/09 03:11 PM

And here is an example of a '70 Barracuda with a replaced left front pan compared to the original passenger side.

Posted By: cataclysm80

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 09/01/09 07:41 PM

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Here is a '71 hemicuda with original front pan with correct stamping around the drain plug (borrowed from Restorick's site).



That's interesting. Does that 71 floor pan have the flanges on the side like a 70 floor pan?

I'm wondering if that's perhaps an early build 71 with a 70 pan, OR If there are in fact 3 different floor pans...
70 style with side flanges
71 style like 70 but without side flanges
72-74 style

Anyone with a 71 car around, check it out please?

Tav
Posted By: domingo

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 09/01/09 07:57 PM

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Here is a '71 hemicuda with original front pan with correct stamping around the drain plug (borrowed from Restorick's site).



That's interesting. Does that 71 floor pan have the flanges on the side like a 70 floor pan?

I'm wondering if that's perhaps an early build 71 with a 70 pan, OR If there are in fact 3 different floor pans...
70 style with side flanges
71 style like 70 but without side flanges
72-74 style

Anyone with a 71 car around, check it out please?

Tav



I'm pretty sure I have seen what you are trying to explain...that is, 3 different styles of floor pans. I can check on my cars to confirm this.
Posted By: 340SIX

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 09/01/09 09:46 PM

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Here is a '71 hemicuda with original front pan with correct stamping around the drain plug (borrowed from Restorick's site).



That's interesting. Does that 71 floor pan have the flanges on the side like a 70 floor pan?

I'm wondering if that's perhaps an early build 71 with a 70 pan, OR If there are in fact 3 different floor pans...
70 style with side flanges
71 style like 70 but without side flanges
72-74 style

Anyone with a 71 car around, check it out please?

Tav



I'm pretty sure I have seen what you are trying to explain...that is, 3 different styles of floor pans. I can check on my cars to confirm this.

My 71 was like you are talking about not sure of build date but was 318 car with auto and the wide hood moulding car was never messed with org owner car that was driven forever with minor repairs untill the 318 finaly died. Reason I knew about the floor is he had driven it so long the driver seat was shot so he traded/swaped them out and they leaned over bad.
So I looked at the floors well before getting it even though it was 350 bucks
The 71 floor was not like the 72 rally car I also had at the same time.
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Who Has used AMD or GoodMark Full floors Floors - 09/02/09 01:31 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Here is a '71 hemicuda with original front pan with correct stamping around the drain plug (borrowed from Restorick's site).



That's interesting. Does that 71 floor pan have the flanges on the side like a 70 floor pan?

I'm wondering if that's perhaps an early build 71 with a 70 pan, OR If there are in fact 3 different floor pans...
70 style with side flanges
71 style like 70 but without side flanges
72-74 style

Anyone with a 71 car around, check it out please?

Tav



Hey Tav,

I can't tell in the pics on Restoricks website. Maybe he will chime in?
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