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Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed
Posted By: ademon
Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/25/09 07:56 PM
Need pics mostly of the throttle kickdown side, pics without air cleaner, also what were the bolt head markings on the intake manifold bolts, valve cover bolts, t-quad bolts, did the valve covers have the little triangle hold downs? Sorry for the dumb questions but i've never seen a original untouched 71 340.
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/25/09 09:21 PM
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but i've never seen a original untouched 71 340.
I'm no expert at all, but I was lucky enough to have owned a original 71 340 4 speed RT challenger when I was 17. It was completly stock when I got it in 1977. Sadly I totalled that car after only about 6 months. So sorry I can't help because I didn't own a camera back then and don't remember what it looked like. 
But I kept everything off that car, junked the body, I know junked!! 
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/25/09 09:51 PM
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Need pics mostly of the throttle kickdown side, pics without air cleaner, also what were the bolt head markings on the intake manifold bolts, valve cover bolts, t-quad bolts, did the valve covers have the little triangle hold downs? Sorry for the dumb questions but i've never seen a original untouched 71 340.
Pictures from Bill Sefton's EV2 71 Demon 340 super survivor would really help. I thought it was at some Illinois Area shows recently??
This is the best I have. Should help you with other things though. I think it had the air cleaner on all day. It was convered in full color in MCG once. Others may have better pics of it.
Posted By: Steve340
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 12:33 AM
The intake bolts have a sunken head with a captive washer and an anchor stamped on the head. The valve covers had the same thing but smaller bolts. The carb is bolted down with bolts that have an "H" on the top with no washers.
Posted By: AdamR
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 01:03 PM
Posted By: ademon
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 03:50 PM
Thanks guys, Their was a 72 paxton demon at a show here a week ago that i think may have been Bills. Mike
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 04:57 PM
Adam,
Some of those pics you posted on that other thread were ones I sent you, here's some story on them.
The grimey looking complete engine less carb is mostly original, it's good for most detail references.
The complete restored looking engine has a few mistakes, it's "pretty" but I wouldn't use that one as a correct detailing reference.
The intake photo side by side is correctly labled according to thier casting dates.
I have more pics of Bills Survivor 71 340 Demon (orange car) that I took when it was OE judged in Vegas, some without the air cleaner. It has a 1972 replacement carb and a few other minor details wrong on top. I'll post pics when I dig them up.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 05:18 PM
Every photo posted shows the 71 340 as being Orange which is correct till April or May then they were painted blue...
Posted By: mopars_1
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 05:18 PM
on the topic of detailed 340's, did the 71's come with the right angle oil filter adapter? in some of the pics it doesn't show one but on my origianl 71 318 it does? thanks
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 05:18 PM
Here's a couple
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 05:19 PM
Carb (72 model)
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 05:20 PM
Another angle, this is a column shift automatic car SPD first week of October 1970 at the Hamtramck plant
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 05:25 PM
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Every photo posted shows the 71 340 as being Orange which is correct till April or May then they were painted blue...
Good point, my 71 had a blue engine in it.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 05:33 PM
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Every photo posted shows the 71 340 as being Orange which is correct till April or May then they were painted blue...
Yes, the April (ish) 1971 is the changover date most agree on concerning when the color change was made, the exact changover date is yet to be proven (I doubt it ever will be). The 2 intakes shown side by side in the link above show a small casting difference, it is thought that the engine color change happened about the time they started using the revised casting so most cars built after March 71 should likey have this intake style.
(Attachment is a 71 Cuda 340 convertible, I believe it has a June 71 build date, shows the correct late 71 340 color)
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 05:36 PM
Here is a "survivor" 71 340 engine in a Duster, It has had some touch up so use caution duplicating details.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 05:37 PM
This 71 Duster 340 has been restored and placed well in restored original judging, however, I would be cautious using it's finer details as reference.
Posted By: ademon
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 09:05 PM
Thanks guys, so I'm assuming the ancore head bolts for the intake and V/C's are generally accepted correct, I've herd RCS head markings and H like Steve340 said are both generally correct. How about the coil bolts, and did the V/C's have the little triangle washers under some of the bolts?. Also in the pics below my 340 has what i think is a incorrect throttle cable bracket (disreguard the homemade aluminum spacer), does anyone know what it is for? Also is the threaded adjustable kickdown linkage part repoped, as you can see i modified it to work with the setup i have. Thanks a bunch.
Posted By: ademon
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 09:07 PM
threaded end on kickdown linkage
Posted By: Thread Ender1
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 09:28 PM
Here's one of my buddy Ron's late build date 71 340 Demon mill, the picture isnt that good. I just went over today and used it for reference for my 71 340. It has TR on the carb bolts, no anhcors on the intake bolts, as far as i know the all came with 45 deg oil adapters.
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Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/26/09 09:31 PM
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and did the V/C's have the little triangle washers under some of the bolts?.
No
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Also in the pics below my 340 has what i think is a incorrect throttle cable bracket (disreguard the homemade aluminum spacer), does anyone know what it is for? Also is the threaded adjustable kickdown linkage part repoped, as you can see i modified it to work with the setup i have. Thanks a bunch.
It looks to be extended upwards becuase of the aftermarket higher rise intake and the holley carb.
I don't know if 71 had a different thottle cable bracket.
This one is listed in some places for 68-70
Picture from Bill Allphin's site: http://www.amhightechauto.com/ Check with him for the kickdown linkage. Are you sure your's is modified. It just looks like some ground the end link rounded and added a lock nut (neccessary?)
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 12:55 AM
Are the white plastic spark plug wire seperators supposed to be engine color or left natural? In the pics posted they all appear natural, that or the paint has flaked off over the years.
My former chall 340 they were missing so I guessed when I did it and painted them. I know big blocks were in fact engine color . and I know later years small blocks are engine color
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 01:22 AM
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Are the white plastic spark plug wire seperators supposed to be engine color or left natural? In the pics posted they all appear natural, that or the paint has flaked off over the years.
My former chall 340 they were missing so I guessed when I did it and painted them. I know big blocks were in fact engine color . and I know later years small blocks are engine color
Bill, did the 71 and up with TQ's get a different throttle kickdown assy?
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 01:47 AM
As far as I know the 71 bracket is the same as 1970 ( Same pt # in the parts book ) . I don't have a newer parts book here at the house to say for sure about 72 and newer. But I've seen some newer 360's with what appears to be the exact same bracket on it
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 02:09 AM
Bill every untouched original wire loom I've seen (the white nylon portion) were bare with no paint, it seems reasonable to assume that they were added just prior to installing the distributor and plug wires. Speaking on painted parts, I have yet to see an original dip stick painted engine color, so far all have been black and the tube engine color. The rubber valve cover grommets, PCV valve, and oil fill cap have all been engine color. I'm speaking on 71 engines painted orange, there may have been variations with different era small blocks.
Posted By: ademon
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 02:54 AM
I'm guessint the one in my pic is for a 2 bbl manifold, the pic from Bills site looks like the 340 one ( taller and over to the V/C side to line up better with the T-quad linkage), and a 72 one that i have is set up for what i think was a different kickdown setup without the threaded end. i'll post a pic of the 72 in a bit. One thing is for sure, no one is 100% on 340's Maybe i can get a hold of Rhinodart to see if Bill's car is in chicagoland area, and spend an hour taking pic's and verifying bolt , kickdown, brackets, ect...
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 02:58 AM
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One thing is for sure, no one is 100% on 340's
A truer statement would be that no one is 100% sure on any Mopar engine detail, some better than others but there are debatable items on almost all of them. 340 details are known quite well by a few, but it's a small number at this time. There are still some minor details that get debated, just as on other Mopar engines.
*Bills Demon (and Jim Rhineheart) are in Scotsdale AZ right now, just spoke with him today
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 03:57 AM
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One thing is for sure, no one is 100% on 340's
A truer statement would be that no one is 100% sure on any Mopar engine detail, some better than others but there are debatable items on almost all of them. 340 details are known quite well by a few, but it's a small number at this time. There are still some minor details that get debated, just as on other Mopar engines.
*Bills Demon (and Jim Rhineheart) are in Scotsdale AZ right now, just spoke with him today
And every year 340 is a little different too. And you have the 340 six packs that are an animal in thier own. Because of TA/AAR values those engines are more researched out.
And didn't the the 340 TQ's in 71 have a recall or some issue? And most were swapped to a 72 TQ. Making a survivor with the OE carb even harder to find. When someone back in the day does a carb swap stuff gets disturbed at the same time. That's got to make it tough to find 71 info.
Is they why the orange Demon has it's carb switched?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 04:01 AM
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And didn't the the 340 TQ's in 71 have a recall or some issue? And most were swapped to a 72 TQ
Not a recall, but if serviced for carb issues there was some service bullitin that reccomend a 72 TQ as a replacment.
The Demon had some kind of problem back in the day, small carb fire or something, as a result it is also wearing some touch up engine paint on the intake and drivers VC
Posted By: chrisf
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 04:51 AM
my demon still retains its original 71 carb but its far from a reference example. i have the majority of the correct ($$$) parts now just a few more peices and i will be ready to start the resto.
Posted By: ademon
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 05:31 AM
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my demon still retains its original 71 carb but its far from a reference example. i have the majority of the correct ($$$) parts now just a few more peices and i will be ready to start the resto.
Looks nice to me Just having the original carb and what looks to be the original master cyl puts you way ahead of the game !!
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 11:27 AM
Scott,
the 340 I'm building now for a customer came out of a 1970 duster 340 back in the early to mid-eighties. and the tube and dipstick are both engine color.(orange) I have no reason to think either have ever been touched
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 01:35 PM
I wouldn't doubt it Bill, just haven't seen it myself, have any pics?
Posted By: ademon
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 02:24 PM
heres what a think is a 72 and later 340/360 4 bbl throttle bracket, with the pic of a 71 style above.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 02:47 PM
Here are the two different 71 340 intake castings shown side by side to show the differences.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 02:50 PM
Same casting number and physically the same at a glance but look further and......
Posted By: F1Scamp
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 03:14 PM
I wonder which one flows better
Posted By: joelson6
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 04:50 PM
this is great reading. unfortunately i don't have too much to add. i can't seem to locate my original throttle bracket. i have an idea to what it is so this has been a help. wish i had more pics of when i got my challenger in 1990. here is one of the few. enjoy, Greg
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 05:25 PM
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heres what a think is a 72 and later 340/360 4 bbl throttle bracket, with the pic of a 71 style above.
Would dmoore's survivor 72 340 4speed Duster have the correct bracket? This one looks like the same one for 68-70? 340's that you can buy new....
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post5023423
Posted By: ademon
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 06:01 PM
Ya, that looks like the 68-71 style, the pic of the 72 that i listed is going by an old Year One cataloge that they say is 72 and later 340/360 4bbl, Maybe that style showed up later in the 72 year? the pic of that 72 does look to have the original PCV Valve,
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/27/09 06:18 PM
Also notice that the 72 has had some new engine paint added, be careful what paint details you copy from it
Posted By: Steve340
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 01:23 AM
The 72 engine appears to be missing the idle solenoid.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:19 AM
I love it when we talk small blocks.
Here are some tidbits from the engine belonging my own 71 340 Cuda convertible. One-owner car, and I am second titled owner. I have conversed with him numerous times. Carb replaced, distributor replaced, radiator hoses replaced, but otherwise never apart. Vehicle build date 3/31/71. To date, in discssions with other owners, the closest I have come to the color changeover date is 3/17/71, at least for Hamtramck cars. All blue engines I have seen have paint on the wire looms (versus no wire loom paint on the orange engines), and also do NOT have the wiring harness trough on the passenger side valve cover. Both of these observations MAY ALSO play into Windsor built engines (GW) versus Mound Road built engines (GM) as stamped on the front of the block.
First up:
Engine color dipstick tube.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:20 AM
V.I.N.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:21 AM
Dipstick handle:
Black
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:22 AM
Standard filter attachment (no right angle adapter).
Nice and clean inside!
Notice some original blue paint residue just inboard of the filter gasket mating surface.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:24 AM
Bill your dipstick is black right?
*Edit, I see you said it was, ok.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:24 AM
Wire loom.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:26 AM
Block casting.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:26 AM
Manifold casting.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:27 AM
Valve cover bolts.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:28 AM
Intake manifold bolts.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:29 AM
Bill, looks like you have the later style intake, correct?
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:29 AM
Front coil bolt. Original finish yellow zinc.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:30 AM
Rear coil bolt. Original finish black phosphate.
"Lightning strike" style, plus marks at 9, 12 and 3.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:33 AM
Carb bolts.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:33 AM
Thermostat housing.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:34 AM
Heater hose bracket bolt.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:36 AM
Linkage #1
Springs are replacements, but correct colors.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:36 AM
Linkage #2
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:37 AM
Exhaust manifold.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:38 AM
Linkage #3
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:39 AM
Fuel pump mounting. Note mismatched head markings.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:40 AM
Idle solenoid mounting bolt.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:41 AM
Distributor clamp (copper plated) and bolt ("Lightning strike" variation).
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:44 AM
Choke mounting bolts. Mine are the very UNCOMMON blank top bolts.
Enjoy!
Bill Rolik
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:49 AM
Nice details Bill, thanks for posting. Do you have any other examples (from survivor orange engines?).
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:55 AM
ADDED BONUS!
Here is another 71 340 Cuda convertible I have in my registry, equipped just like mine (Same FE5 body color, non-A/C with manual brakes), except this is a 4-speed. It was built one day before mine on 3/30/71.
Bill Rolik
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:56 AM
Passenger side.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:58 AM
Driver side.
BR
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 04:11 AM
Scott,
My intake is the "Spring 71" version, with the hump on the runner.
I have been made aware of a local gentleman here in NJ who supposedly has a fairly unabused 71 hardtop, which I am told has an orange engine. I will advise on that in the near future. Also, I believe that there is a gentleman who is a Moparts member, whose name I believe is Morris, who resides in FL. I believe he is an actual original owner of a 71 340 Cuda. Perhaps he will see this and respond.
Other than Bill Sefton's car, of which I had received many photos directly from him a few years ago, there don't seem to be many 71's in any body style that are legitimately untouched, or close to it.
BR
Posted By: ragtop
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 04:28 AM
Did all 71 340s, not use the right angle oil filter adaptor, or just the blue painted engines not using it?
Same question about the dip stick.
Did all 71 340s, have the black painted dip stick, or just the blue painted engines having the black dip stick?
Thanks. Great info here. I hope this makes it to the archives.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 04:47 AM
The right angle oil filter adapter MAY be an A-Body thing (I had that setup in my 71 340 Duster). Also, 71 E-Body 340 exhaust manifolds and exhaust pipes were different than 70. Additionally, if the distance between the torsion bars is less on an A-Body than on an E-Body, that may play into possible clearance issues as well.
I have an NOS dipstick, and it has a black handle. And as far as I know, all 340's had a black handle, but I would need a bit more research to determine that for sure. I have two local AAR Cuda's to check on!
BR
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 04:57 AM
Just spoke with Mike Ross of BEA, he has a 3-30-71 SPD Cuda 340 4 speed, 3:91 rear. Car VIN sequence #342653. It has a door VIN decal 3/71. Car has an original orange engine.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 05:30 AM
Most interesting!
The car I referenced in the last photos is 342575 (SPD same day, 3/30/71). One correction: It is EV2, not FE5. Sorry for the oversight. But it obviously has a blue engine. Does Mike's car have Windsor or Mound Road engine? Does the right side valve cover have a wire trough? (342575 was sold several years ago. I know who bought it, but he resold it immediately, and I do not know where it is now.)
Another tidbit: In my archive photos, the door sticker on 342575 shows 4-71. My car, built a day later, shows 3-71.
My engine in 344342 (3/31/71) is a Mound Road engine (Code GM on the block).
Chet Greenwood informed me that his convertible, 332846 (3/19/71) originally had a blue engine. I believe he repainted it orange during restoration.
Please excuse the silver paint.
BR
Posted By: 340wedge
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 11:13 AM
"right angle oil filter adapter MAY be an A-Body thing (I had that setup in my 71 340 Duster"
My 71 Duster is a July 9th build date, blue engine and has the right angle oil adapter.
Posted By: moparo
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 12:58 PM
The only touch ups here were:
Redone air cleaner
new battery cables.
other than that nothing else was changed.
The valve covers were the original removed a week after purchase of the car when new they still have the original paint on them. This car is great for the fine details Scott.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 01:48 PM
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The only touch ups here were:
Redone air cleaner
new battery cables.
other than that nothing else was changed.
The valve covers were the original removed a week after purchase of the car when new they still have the original paint on them. This car is great for the fine details Scott.
moparo,
Don't get me wrong, not picking on your car/engine, it looks fantastic. However that looks like blue paint overspray on the upper rad hose, back of the alternator, assosiated wiring harness, and throttle return spring? If so that isn't original.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 01:52 PM
Is it possible to post the photos?
Bill Rolik
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 02:08 PM
Bill, the photos in question are of a survivor 1972 340 engine (yellow Duster detailed in a survivor thread here on Moparts) there are a few pics on page 2 of this thread.
*BTW bill, I have'nt gotten anymore info on Mikes 71 Cuda engine yet.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:03 PM
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Another angle, this is a column shift automatic car SPD first week of October 1970 at the Hamtramck plant
This engine in this picture also appears to have been manipulated a bit. Notice the by pass hose. The paint density is not consistent with the intake port that it is directly connected to. It shows an impossible paint pattern for two pieces that were supposedly painted together. The hose has a thin over spray look to it while the intake is heavily covered. Paint on rubber does not wear off or thin out over time. It would have either flaked or chipped off. The picture of the blue survivor engine that is posted earlier in this thread conveys the correct look that the hose would have exhibited if it was painted on the engine. -Clamps have been changed however.-
Posted By: ademon
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 03:08 PM
Great info Bill, Were you ever able to dig up any info reguarding plant work stopage or strikes at the Winsdor plant that may shed light on some orange 340 going into car after the blue swich over date? After we talked about my 4/2/71 spd Demon 340, (orange engine with a Asy date of 11/16/70) I found out the history from new to about 1979 on my Demon, engine was always orange. Thanks Mike
Posted By: AdamR
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 04:47 PM
What spots would the KV stamped hose have been used on orginally ? Also, what are the correct clamps for the 3 port breather and the brake booster ?
Another thing I have been wondering about.
Exhaust manifolds, Since they were bolted to the motor prior to painting, Wouldnt they be pretty much entirely covered with paint instead of the slightly over sprayed look most people believe is correct ?
I know If I were painting them at the factory I wouldnt bother trying to keep the paint off of them. I would just cover them completely.
Posted By: chrisf
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 09:19 PM
how about exhaust manifold bolts guys? any pics?
Posted By: moparo
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 10:54 PM
There are many pictures on Legendary motorcar web site under inventory.
Posted By: moparo
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 11:36 PM
moparo,
Don't get me wrong, not picking on your car/engine, it looks fantastic. However that looks like blue paint overspray on the upper rad hose, back of the alternator, assosiated wiring harness, and throttle return spring? If so that isn't original.
Scott.
I do not own that car. When did you see that car anyway?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/28/09 11:54 PM
Moparo, I've only seen pics of it.
Posted By: cataclysm80
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/29/09 12:10 AM
Just following along...
Tav
Posted By: 340wedge
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/29/09 12:36 AM
Scott, the picture Adam posted had the earlier intake with the little hump on the back side, your pics show the "spring" intake having the hump. My car is a late build July 9th and has that hump, is this correct for my car?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/29/09 01:02 AM
Not sure I follow you but here's the deal.
The "hump" is the spring intake (cast in Jan 71 or so, first used in march or so of 1971 or so) I've never seen an original "Hump" intake painted any other color but blue and I've never seen one cast before January or 71.
Posted By: FJ5_Fish
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/29/09 01:22 AM
Besides the Anchor head markings I have seen a bunch with "E". Intake and valve covers.
Posted By: moparo
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/29/09 01:26 AM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. pictures
Posted By: 340wedge
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/29/09 01:26 AM
Thanks Scott
, Guess my question was confusing,,
but you answered it, my engine is blue and has the hump. From an earlier post I thought the picture of the hump stated it was cast in January and the one without in May, but must have been May of 1970, and the hump in January of 1971. Whew!...
Posted By: FJ5_Fish
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/29/09 01:31 AM
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. pictures
Of the car - Not your wife again! 
Posted By: moparo
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/29/09 01:35 AM
Ok you asked for the zazas your get the zaza
Posted By: AdamR
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/29/09 10:14 PM
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What spots would the KV stamped hose have been used on orginally ? Also, what are the correct clamps for the 3 port breather and the brake booster ?
Another thing I have been wondering about.
Exhaust manifolds, Since they were bolted to the motor prior to painting, Wouldnt they be pretty much entirely covered with paint instead of the slightly over sprayed look most people believe is correct ?
I know If I were painting them at the factory I wouldnt bother trying to keep the paint off of them. I would just cover them completely.
anyone ?
Posted By: chrisf
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/30/09 12:13 AM
this is a 71 318 cover i have.
Posted By: chrisf
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/30/09 12:15 AM
KV hose.
Posted By: AdamR
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/30/09 10:44 AM
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this is a 71 318 cover i have.
Thats what I used with a piece of KV hose for the vent line to the apron which I believe had a crimpped clamp on the oher end originally. What about the line to the carb ? Same clamps ?
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/30/09 12:33 PM
71 "long" manifold bolts.
"D" with strikes at 12, 4, and 8 o'clock.
Bill Rolik
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/30/09 12:36 PM
71 "short" manifold bolts.
Very hard to see, but there is a capital letter A in the center, as well as strike marks at 12, 4, and 8 o'clock.
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/30/09 12:40 PM
71 manifold-to-pipe bolts.
Again, very hard to see, but at the center is a capital letter M with strike marks at 10, 2, and 6 o'clock.
On this engine, the special bolt lock clips were never installed.
Bill Rolik
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Detailed stock 71 340 engine pics needed - 07/30/09 12:58 PM
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Great info Bill, Were you ever able to dig up any info reguarding plant work stopage or strikes at the Winsdor plant that may shed light on some orange 340 going into car after the blue swich over date? After we talked about my 4/2/71 spd Demon 340, (orange engine with a Asy date of 11/16/70) I found out the history from new to about 1979 on my Demon, engine was always orange. Thanks Mike
Mike,
You may want to contact Dave Wise at MMC Detroit regarding plant work stoppages. 248-393-3970.
Bill Rolik