15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers

Posted By: 1Fryedfish

15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 07:23 AM

I am trying to get a little more information on some of the 15x7 steel wheels. I know the rare ones are the 450 wheels. What is the full part number and where do i look to find it?

Posted By: mccannix

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 12:12 PM

Here, by the valve stem 2944450

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Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 03:30 PM

Don't the real early ones (summer of '69 date codes) have no part number on them?

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 03:33 PM

Mastershake- Yes

Posted By: JACKSON

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 06:06 PM

then how do you tell if its a 450 wheel with no part #

Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 06:40 PM

The 450's have their little nuances, I guess you just need to inspect some and get to know them pretty well to ID.
I need to refer to pictures of them (or dig up one of the ones I have stored away for my T/A) to compare to a wheel I'm trying to ID myself!
Here is one of mine for reference.

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Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 06:42 PM

Back

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 07:49 PM

They are also some later (cosmetically incorrect) reproductions out there that have had the correct part# stamped into them so be careful to know the subtle shape differences when shopping.

Posted By: floyd

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 08:15 PM

Did anyone ever hear anything more from Paul Petco about the repros they were looking at doing? He was looking to do the 15x6 H wheels first, to be followed by 15x7 450s. I haven't heard anything in the past couple years. I wonder if the project was another victim of the economy?

Posted By: mccannix

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 11:04 PM

Quote:

then how do you tell if its a 450 wheel with no part #

Once you get to know their characteristics you can spot one pretty quickly. If no tire is mounted is you'll see that the center is like this in depth, same as a rallye wheel.
The later common 15x7's like from a Diplomat will be nowhere near as deep in the center.

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Posted By: mccannix

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/27/09 11:30 PM

...and then there's the very uncommonly seen 15x7 070 rim from 1973 that shares all the same characteristics as a 450, a virtual twin...except for the number and date codes

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Posted By: HPMike

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/28/09 01:38 AM

They are tough to find,(at a reasonable price). I spent the better part of the last 10 years rounding up a set for my Hemi Challenger. Finally got them all together.

Not to derail the post, but how rare is a '70 B body with "450" steelies??

MB

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Posted By: RestoRick

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/28/09 01:56 AM

Hey Mike,
Your car looks great with them! Russell did a nice job matching the paint too...

Rick

Posted By: AZ_A12_BEE

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/28/09 03:57 AM

Quote:

They are tough to find,(at a reasonable price). I spent the better part of the last 10 years rounding up a set for my Hemi Challenger. Finally got them all together.

Not to derail the post, but how rare is a '70 B body with "450" steelies??

MB

They are as hard to round up as a set of H wheels, I have only found 1 in 10 years. I got real lucky getting my set of H wheels in about a 2 year span.

Posted By: mccannix

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/28/09 04:24 AM

The most common place I found and bought 450 wheels over the years when owners knew little about them, was from the trunk of 15 inch 71-2 B-bodies. They carried a G-60-15 Goodyear Polyglas.
The last single 450 wheel I found was 2 years ago.
I visited a guy's farm who I knew had quite a few Mopars in his day but had been away from them for years.
Asked him if he had any plain 15x7 rims laying around.
He pointed to the field and said he thought there was one there if I could get it off this vehicle he hadn't been using for years.
I had my doubts but as I got closer to it I couldn't believe what I was seeing, a 450 rim!
Seized on the hub, I spent 1/2 an hour with a sledge hammer to the tire but I wasn't going home without it.
It was on an old 8 1/4 rearend that was powering a manure spreader and that is no BS!!

Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/28/09 05:05 AM

450 wheels are much harder to find than H wheels because you can't cheat and take them off station wagons and C-bodies. They only came on razoo muscle cars.

I scrounged about 50 '69 H-wheels in the last 5 years, compared to only 3 450 wheels and 1 070 wheel.

Posted By: floyd

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/28/09 02:06 PM

I've been casually looking for 450s for about tens years. I've only come across two that were available for a reasonable price. One was a spare out of a 70 sixpack RR that was scrapped long ago. The owner had kept the spare in his garage for 30 years or so. It was in perfect "survivor" condition and is now in my friend's 70 hemi Charger. I was with another friend walking through a junk yard when he spied and old polyglas tire laying in the dirt. He flipped it over, and low and behold, a nice 450 rim. I think the yard charged him $25. We found 3 H wheels in that yard as well.

Posted By: TiMopar

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/29/09 02:05 PM

Quote:

They are tough to find,(at a reasonable price). I spent the better part of the last 10 years rounding up a set for my Hemi Challenger. Finally got them all together.

Not to derail the post, but how rare is a '70 B body with "450" steelies??

I have a 70 V-code RR (TX9, auto) coded for '450' wheels. Gorgeous 'ginger' Challenger! Any more pics?

Posted By: westfort

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/29/09 07:20 PM

I have two of the 450 wheels that were bought in 70 for my slicks and used a few times what would they sell for ???
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Posted By: floyd

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/29/09 08:41 PM

People ask 400-500 each for nice ones with good dates. I have no ideaa if they actually sell at that price in this market. Sadly, that's out of my league...but I'll pay less

Posted By: HPMike

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/29/09 09:52 PM

Quote:

People ask 400-500 each for nice ones with good dates. I have no ideaa if they actually sell at that price in this market. Sadly, that's out of my league...but I'll pay less

Frankly, if you found them for 4-500. each with good dates, while not exactly "affordable", they would be pretty cheap(as ridiculous as that sounds). I paid around that much for the last one I needed. The others were about half that. Patience and persistence pays off.

MB

Posted By: HPMike

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 06/29/09 09:56 PM

Quote:

Quote:

They are tough to find,(at a reasonable price). I spent the better part of the last 10 years rounding up a set for my Hemi Challenger. Finally got them all together.

Not to derail the post, but how rare is a '70 B body with "450" steelies??

I have a 70 V-code RR (TX9, auto) coded for '450' wheels. Gorgeous 'ginger' Challenger! Any more pics?

Thanks for the compliment.

Thanks for clearing that up with regard to the B bodies. My V-code R/T is coded for 14" steel wheels with dogdish. I am NOT putting 14" wheels on this car. It will get "450" wheels(hopefully repops) as I don't want to go through the same trouble I went through with the Challenger, especially due to the fact that the car wasn't coded for the 15's in the first place.

MB

Posted By: Scotts71chall

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 07/05/09 05:36 AM

What wheel is it when it has a K22 8 on one side of the valve stem, and 23 675 on the other side of valve stem? no part number. Are they worth anything?

Posted By: Scotts71chall

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 07/06/09 03:13 AM

Posted By: floyd

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 07/06/09 12:33 PM

Doesn't sound like a mopar wheel.

Posted By: m46rat

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 07/06/09 03:58 PM

Scotts71: Can you post a few pictures of it?

Posted By: AZ_A12_BEE

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 07/06/09 04:04 PM

Quote:

What wheel is it when it has a K22 8 on one side of the valve stem, and 23 675 on the other side of valve stem? no part number. Are they worth anything?

More info needed, like the size and width.

Posted By: Scotts71chall

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 07/08/09 05:34 AM

Its a 15x7 steel rim. Had the little dodge hub caps on them. I will try to get some picts of them. 2 of them might go up for sale soon.

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 07/08/09 05:41 AM

Those are typical late-'70s & 80s Diplomat/Gran Fury 15" wheels, usually listed on ebay $100 for a set of 4.

OK this set is $140

Posted By: wasacuda

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/04/15 10:32 AM

45tyuil;

Posted By: Morty426

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/05/15 06:44 AM

Originally Posted By HPMike

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Not to derail the post, but how rare is a '70 B body with "450" steelies??

MB

My 70 Hemi GTX is a 450 wheel car. Kind of funny since otherwise it has a lot of options. The wheels I have for it came off a Challenger T/A

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/05/15 06:59 AM

Originally Posted By Morty426

Originally Posted By HPMike

My 70 Hemi GTX is a 450 wheel car. Kind of funny since otherwise it has a lot of options. The wheels I have for it came off a Challenger T/A

I'll "ASSUME" an ordered car that had 15x7" CRAGARs or other on day 2!

Posted By: Morty426

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/05/15 07:03 AM

Originally Posted By 6bblgt

Originally Posted By Morty426

Originally Posted By HPMike

My 70 Hemi GTX is a 450 wheel car. Kind of funny since otherwise it has a lot of options. The wheels I have for it came off a Challenger T/A

I'll "ASSUME" an ordered car that had 15x7" CRAGARs or other on day 2!

Yes I think I did pull Cragars off of it. How did you know?

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/05/15 07:13 AM

another 450 wheel GTX from CA - stripe DELETE too, at least by Chrysler's LA plant

Posted By: mopar346

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/05/15 02:06 PM

Got a picture of the C pillar on that GTX Dan?

Posted By: Morty426

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/06/15 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By 6bblgt

another 450 wheel GTX from CA - stripe DELETE too, at least by Chrysler's LA plant

My GTX is from Minnesota. However at least 4 of the 70 Hemi GTX are from California

Posted By: chargervert

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/11/15 04:48 PM

I found three of them in my wheel pile behind my garage. Mastershake got one of them,and HP Mike got the other two. Check your wheel stashes boys!

Posted By: dustyswinger

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/19/15 05:06 AM

I bought 450 wheel with a polyglas g60 with a set of 15x7 rallye wheels about 8 years ago at a decent price. This summer I picked up a N.O.S. 070 wheel with a 73 date code at a swap meet. The guy didn't know what it was.

Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/21/15 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By floyd

He was trying to get them made in China & from what I understand, the manufacturer just could not get them right so it's dead in the water.

If anybody can buy a good 450 wheel for $4-500.00 like mentioned in the thread, that is a GIFT! Last set I saw for sale was 4 wheels for $5,000. That was at a swap meet & you didn't even know if they were any good, although they looked good. You don't know if they are good until you turn them on a tire balancer.

Posted By: roadrunninMark

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/21/15 10:23 PM

If they can repo them, should make them in aluminum too. That would be nice. Do they repo the polyglass tire look but in a modern tire?

Posted By: Stewpar

Re: 15x7 steel Wheels 450 part numbers - 11/22/15 03:54 AM

Stockton Wheels can make them for $155.00 a piece. Minus the part number and date code of course......