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70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size?
Posted By: FJ6AAR
70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/22/09 01:21 AM
I will finally be sandblasting my 'Cuda this week end (weather permitting) and have a bunch of other items to blast as well. I know my car came from the factory with 14" tires and I know the spare tire is a full size 14" as well. My question is: What size was the wheel the spare tire was installed on? I know it was 14" but how WIDE - 5.5" or 6" I have both sizes but only want to blast the one I will be using. I also know that a 5.5" steel wheel was not available on a 440 car - they got the 6" steel wheel and 5.5" rallye wheels (which is what my car has), but what about the spare tire? Anybody know for sure or have a survivor car to look at? Thanks, Rob
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/22/09 01:25 AM
w/full size spare wheel/tire in '70 ...
If your 'Cuda came with 14" "road" or "rallye" wheels ..... the spare is 14x5-1/2".
If your 'Cuda came with 14" wheels w/hub caps or wheel covers ..... the spare is 14x6".
Posted By: FJ6AAR
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/22/09 01:26 AM
HI, thanks. My car came from the factory with 14" rallye wheels, so, I should have the 5.5" spare then according to you? That works for me - thanks, Rob
Posted By: FJ6AAR
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/22/09 01:42 AM
One more question: I believe the wheel is painted gloss (or satin/flat) black regardless of exterior color? Correct? Rob
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/22/09 01:45 AM
It would be a gloss black wheel, of similar quality to the factory exterior finish of a black car.
Posted By: FJ6AAR
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/22/09 02:17 AM
Thank you for your help. Rob
Posted By: cataclysm80
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/22/09 05:26 AM
Quote:
w/full size spare wheel/tire in '70 ...
If your 'Cuda came with 14" "road" or "rallye" wheels ..... the spare is 14x5-1/2".
If your 'Cuda came with 14" wheels w/hub caps or wheel covers ..... the spare is 14x6".
Since you specified 70, I'm guessing later years are different somehow?
Tav
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/22/09 04:25 PM
Dan: Are you saying that if the car came with road or rallye wheels, then the spare is also a road or rallye wheel? I would assume so, as the only 14x5.5 steel rim that I know of would be a space saver one. The steel wheels your are referring to must be the 14x6.0 ones, and the spare would then be the same, correct? I know that if a base model Barracuda had 14x5.0 steel wheels, then the spare would also be the same rim.
Back to the 14x6.0" steel wheels. I have an original full size spare that came out of a Challenger R/T car that had 14x6.0 steel wheels. The spare however has a completely different part number stamped above the valve stem hole. I will post a pic. of the part number tonight. What do you know about this Dan?
Thanks for your imput.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/22/09 05:18 PM
I tried to limit confusion by sticking to '70 Cuda. Limiting wheel choices & later 6" "road" & "rallye" wheels.
1970 E-bodies per b'cast sheet:
ROAD - 15 & SPARE - 15 (14x5.0" steel wheels, 5 of them)
ROAD - 15 & SPARE - 81 (14x5.0" steel wheels, space saver spare)
ROAD - 17 & SPARE - 17 (14x6.0" steel wheels, 5 of them)
ROAD - 17 & SPARE - 81 (14x6.0" steel wheels, space saver spare)
ROAD - 61 & SPARE - 16 (14x5.5" "rallye" wheels, 14x5.5" steel spare)
ROAD - 61 & SPARE - 81 (14x5.5" "rallye" wheels, space saver spare)
ROAD - 63 & SPARE - 16 (14x5.5" "road" wheels, 14x5.5" steel spare)
ROAD - 63 & SPARE - 81 (14x5.5" "road" wheels, space saver spare)
ROAD - 28 & SPARE - 81 (15x7.0" steel wheels, space saver spare)
ROAD - 71 & SPARE - 81 (15x7.0" "rallye" wheels, space saver spare)
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/22/09 05:33 PM
Does anybody have any engineering drawings that deal with wheels. There has to be some kind of translation that desribes how a wheel part number becomes the 2-digit assembly code on a broadcast sheet.
xxxx x
15 is a 2944 236 + what (14x5.0" steel wheel)
xxxx x
16 is a 2944 242 + what (14x5.5" steel wheel)
xxxx x
17 is a 2944 327 + what (14x6.0" steel wheel)
xxxx x
61 is a 2944 252 + what (14x5.5" "rallye" wheel)
xxxx x
63 is a 2944 474 + what (14x5.5" "road" wheel)
xxxx x
28 is a 2944 450 + what (15x7.0" steel wheel)
xxxx x
71 is a 2944 390 + what (15x7.0" "rallye" wheel)
xxxx x
81 is a 2944 395 + what (14x5.5" space saver spare)
Dwight, pics would be great!
Anyone with a '70 only Parts Catalog? What are the wheel part numbers in there?
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/23/09 12:50 AM
Dan: Here are some pictures of the tire off an all original 70 Challenger R/T with road wheels and a 383+4. Maybe "off" is a bad word, as the tire was the full size spare and had never been used on the car. It was in the trunk and had been since the car was owned new. The part number stamped above the valve stem is: 2944 242. It is dated Sept 16, 1969 on the rim. I have the very same rim with the same part number, the date code is: Nov 10, 1969. My tire is an F70x14 RWL while the one pictured is a Polyglas tire. I think this rim is a 14x5.5 but I do not know how to tell for sure.
I checked my Sept. '69 and May '70 editions of my 1970 parts book. The three numbers you list for 5.0 5.5 and 6.0 steel rims are the same in both editions. The 2944 242 number is not in any of the parts book that I have. I do not believe it wa ever in any parts books. Bill Rolik should chime in here with his comments. He should have some enlightening info. if any one does.
Posted By: FJ5_Fish
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/23/09 12:53 AM
My 70 Chall vert has 14" road wheels and a full size spare in the trunk and on the buildsheet "16". I can check the wheel for the actual part number if you guys want. Parts book has 14x5.5 as 3420977, 14x6 as 3420978. I'll check mine when I have a chance.
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/23/09 12:53 AM
Pic. of rim with tire.
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/23/09 12:57 AM
Actually now that I think more about the car, it is a 70 383+4 RT/SE burnt orange with burnt orange interior and A/C. Here is a somewhat hazy picture of the date code on the tire.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/23/09 01:50 AM
It would be great to confirm weather that #2944 424 is the 5.5" or 6.0" wheel, can't you just dismount it a little?
Can you compare it with a known dismounted steel wheel? The 1/2" is noticable where the center is welded to the hoop.
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/23/09 02:03 AM
2944 242 is 5.5 inches, I compared and measured it vs a 6.0 steel wheel and a 5.5 space saver rim. I have a FEW 14x6.0 steel wheels with the following part number stamped above the valve stem hole: 2944 327. The overwhelming majority of 14x6.0 steel wheels that I have have no seven digit part number stamped o them.
Posted By: FJ5_Fish
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/23/09 02:21 AM
Anything stamped on the back side - lug area?
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/23/09 02:53 AM
Are there any dates on the wheels w/o part numbers?
Are the ones with the 2944 327 part number all early or late?
I've updated the list above, now it looks like all we need is the uber-big-dollar 5.0" wheels! I have 4 from a '70 A93 car that I purchased for the /6 "pilot", they're in Ohio, I'll see if someone can look at them tomorrow.
Any help with the paperwork and/or ASSEMBLY numbers?Are those first 2 "blurry" tire digits "JP"? - July '69
Posted By: FJ6AAR
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/23/09 11:11 AM
Great info guys. I actually have a 5.0 steel wheel that I believe is dated 9/69, but don't hold me to that. I can dig it out and look at the number if anybody wants me to? At any rate, I'm glad I now know which steel wheel I need to use for my spare. Thanks, Rob
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/23/09 06:10 PM
Quote:
Are there any dates on the wheels w/o part numbers?
There are date codes on every 14x6.0 steel wheel I have. Do you want any dates in particular?
Are the ones with the 2944 327 part number all early or late?
One is dated Aug 6, 1969, two are dated Feb 9 and 10, 1970 and two are dated Aug. 6, 1970. So, I would assume from that that they were made throughout the 1970 and 1971 production year. Comments?
I've updated the list above, now it looks like all we need is the uber-big-dollar 5.0" wheels! I have 4 from a '70 A93 car that I purchased for the /6 "pilot", they're in Ohio, I'll see if someone can look at them tomorrow.
Dan, what are the dates on the four 14x5.0 steel wheels that you have? I have a mess of them as well. What is the SPD of your pilot car?
Any help with the paperwork and/or ASSEMBLY numbers?
Are those first 2 "blurry" tire digits "JP"? - July '69
The pics of the 14x5.5 steel wheel were from a car in Denver, CO. so I have no way to check. Sorry.
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/25/09 01:33 PM
Dan: What are the dates on your 5.0 wheels? What is your take on the 6.0 steel wheels with part numbers? Bob, I would like to know what the date is on you 5.0 wheel, PM me or post please! I also have 14x5.0 wheels with a seven digit part number, but the majority of them have no part number.
Posted By: FJ6AAR
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/26/09 12:40 PM
m46rat, I will dig it out and post the numbers this weekend. Rob
Posted By: FJ6AAR
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 06/29/09 11:05 PM
Hi Dwight, sorry it took so long but here are the numbers stamped on my factory 5.0" wheel.
1) 2944236
2) M3 9
3) 8 (valve stem) 28
So, it was a 1969 wheel, made on August 28th. Hope this helps, Rob
Posted By: RestoRick
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/04/09 01:47 PM
Let me throw a lug wrench into this...
I have a 14x6 steel spare I'm trying to verify...
dated Jan. 1970. Part no. stamped: 2944331
Said to be out of a 70 Challenger.
Rick
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/04/09 04:37 PM
Rick: Post a picture of the front of it and also one of the part number and date code please.
Posted By: RestoRick
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/04/09 05:23 PM
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/04/09 05:45 PM
Hmmmm, very interesting! Do you have a picture of the stamping on the inside of the rim? Every 14x6.0 E and B Body steel rim that I have seen has a flat center area where the lug holes are. I am sure others will attest to the same thing. What is with the "T" stamping where the year code is? Which company stamped their rims with a T?? M is for Motor wheel and K is for Kelsey Hayes. Maybe Bill Rolik or others will chime in about this rim.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/04/09 06:12 PM
Rick, do you have access to the Challenger? .... Bet it is a LA assembled car!
Posted By: RestoRick
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/04/09 06:23 PM
Exactly !!
I've never seen the "T" as a plant designation either.
Part no. isn't listed that I've found yet as well.
Not the greatest pic, but that faint stamping is a pentastar followed by a logo.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/04/09 07:06 PM
There was a '70 LA assembled 340 'Cuda for sale at "Spring Fling" this year. It had a "T" 14x6 FY1 wheel and Polyglas in the trunk, the tire was from mid-'70s but the wheel appeared to be original to the car. Unfortunately my pictures from SF '09 are GONE.
Here are some pics of Motor Wheel Corp. wheels with the same logo, with an "A" instead of an "O" at the bottom. Is it their logo or some kind of wheel association.
1972 vintage 15X8 Motor Wheel Spyder
1969 14x5.5" "road wheel"
date on '69 "road wheel" (10/16/68)
Posted By: m46rat
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/04/09 07:24 PM
It is interesting to see that the seven digit part number is also stamped on the inside of the rim. That never happens on the M and K rims. Rick, does the date code on this rim line up with the SPD of the Challenger it came out of? All those "lumps" inbetween the lug holes remind me of late 60's A and B body rims. Rick, is there any indication on the inside of the rim what "T" stands for? As I am sure you know, K rims have the words KELSEY HAYES stamped on the inside of the rim. It is obviously a rim made for some type of Chrysler product for 1970, does anyone know if the 14x6.0 steel wheels were used on anything other than E and B Body cars? Trucks???
Posted By: RestoRick
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/04/09 09:39 PM
No build date info on the Challenger... customer supplied this wheel and was told it was original to it. (Wheel was bought for a different car). Will see if he knows any more.
No other name markings inside the rim.
Dan's comments about the LA car he saw makes me wonder...
I had a Challenger parts car many years ago, that was an LA plant car; it had the original steel wheels and I'm pretty sure they had the "between lug lumps".
Budd wheel maybe???
I found a part no. in the '68 parts book for a 14 x 5.5 specifying LA plant. (2881808)
interesting...
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/05/09 02:44 AM
Here's a
T17 8 -o- 9 14x4.5" a-body wheel.
has the same characteristics as the wheel in Rick's pics
Posted By: RestoRick
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/05/09 01:57 PM
The Challenger the wheel came from was indeed an LA plant car.
Dan gets the prize once again... lol
So it would appear LA had a different wheel supplier, at least for this application.
Something new to watch for
Rick
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 09/01/09 05:10 AM
Not only was this a 6" b/e-body wheel issue. The pictures I posted above of the 1968 model year 4.5" sbp a-body wheel are now joined by a 1971 model year 5.5" sbp a-body wheel.
T10 6 -o- 24 5.5 PLANT "T1" ??
1970 June 24 14x5.5"
part number 2660312 - sounds like a mid-60s origin part number
A9NFL7DS - 30th week of '70 (late July) Gadsen, AL Goodyear Plant E70-14 RWL Polyglas
It looks like they (Chrysler Corp.) had E70-14 RWL tires shipped in from Alabama & "T" wheels from where?
I've seen F70-14 LA Goodyear plant built tires, but no other sizes. What others exist?
& "NANKET" has a '71 Charger spare with a "T" wheel in this
Polyglas thread
Posted By: NANKET
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 09/01/09 06:33 AM
I will get the build date and plant from the 71 Charger with the T spare wheel, had road wheels on the car, got those too. I also have a 5.0 spare rim from a fall 69 LA built E body. Specific dates and pictures coming this weekend.
Posted By: NANKET
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 09/08/09 05:00 AM
The T wheel came from a 71 Charger that was built in the LA plant, 12-1970 production date on the door sticker. No part number on the wheel. it is 5.5" wide, with a F70-14 Goodyear whitewall tire. The car had road wheels on it originally.
Posted By: A12RTX2340
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/01/10 05:18 PM
Ok, looks like 70 E-body's are covered for a full size spare, how about a 71' E-body with the same. I'm currently restoring a 71'cuda 383 4spd w/fact A/C car that originally came with road wheels and F70-14 RWL tires, documented with an orig photo provided by the orig owner, and the car has the 10-1/2" spare tire rod in the trunk. It's an 11/2/70 build. Through research, I've found the b-sheet with similar build 71'cuda's are "74" in the "wheel" section of the build sheet, and "59" in the "spare" section. This equates to part#2944474 road wheels 14x5.5 and part#2944236 spare tire which from the previous thread appears to be 14x5.0 and not 5.5 rim width. I was always under the assumption that I needed the 2944236 spare and not the 2944242-which I subsequently purchased with an orig tire as well just because I could not locate a "236" spare tire yet-anyone willing to part with one as well as a correct set of "474" rims?
Posted By: Sunroofcuda
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 08/01/10 09:10 PM
Quote:
Let me throw a lug wrench into this...
I have a 14x6 steel spare I'm trying to verify...
dated Jan. 1970. Part no. stamped: 2944331
Said to be out of a 70 Challenger.
Rick
I looked this # up & could not find it listed for any 1970 Mopar 14x6" wheel.
Posted By: B Body Fan1
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 03/17/11 04:03 AM
Quote:
Actually now that I think more about the car, it is a 70 383+4 RT/SE burnt orange with burnt orange interior and A/C. Here is a somewhat hazy picture of the date code on the tire.
I hope this isnt a dead topic because I have lots to learn. I am trying to restore a 70 RR which came with 14x6 steels. I do have one wheel in the trunk but all others are gone. The wheel in the trunk is painted the same as the original exterior body color and has the original F7014 RWL tire in really great shape. This tire still has rubber nubs on the treads, maybe used once. Part # at the stem is 2944327. My resto book says I should have come with 320978 wheels also steel 14x6. Also there seams to be so many different part numbers for the same wheel of different plants and years and application all with the same flat mount flange design.
I'm simply confused at this point.
Posted By: B Body Fan1
Re: 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? - 03/17/11 04:11 AM
Quote:
Does anybody have any engineering drawings that deal with wheels. There has to be some kind of translation that desribes how a wheel part number becomes the 2-digit assembly code on a broadcast sheet.
xxxx x15 is a 2944 236 + what (14x5.0" steel wheel)
xxxx x16 is a 2944 242 + what (14x5.5" steel wheel)
xxxx x17 is a 2944 327 + what (14x6.0" steel wheel)
xxxx x61 is a 2944 252 + what (14x5.5" "rallye" wheel)
xxxx x63 is a 2944 474 + what (14x5.5" "road" wheel)
xxxx x28 is a 2944 450 + what (15x7.0" steel wheel)
xxxx x71 is a 2944 390 + what (15x7.0" "rallye" wheel)
xxxx x81 is a 2944 395 + what (14x5.5" space saver spare)
Dwight, pics would be great!
Anyone with a '70 only Parts Catalog? What are the wheel part numbers in there?
100% correct Road 17 Spare 17 = 5 14x6 wheels
