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11" front & rear brake assembly pics

Posted By: hemi68charger

11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 02:14 PM

Hey gang..
Does anyone have pictures they could post of a actual '68/'69 B-body brake assemblies with 11x3 front & 11x2.5 rears with the drums off? I'm in need of some components and wanna make sure I don't duplicate what I need. Aren't the brake bar/strut only used in the rear in conjuction with the emergency/parking brake lever or is there a strut/bar in the front as well? It's been way too long since I took this apart and I think there were some parts missing actually. I have a service manual, but prefer as well actual pictures of cars today. I believe my HD drum brakes had adjustable capability at all four corners? I just picked up the adjuster kits for all corners this weekend and the complete hardware kits. I believe I need the struts, two of the diamond-shaped shoe guide plates. For sure I need the rear left and right parking/emergency brake lever.

Thanks..
Troy
Posted By: John69RR

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 04:41 PM

Troy, I do not have a picture of the rear brakes but I believe you are correct about the strut for the parking brake. I thought HD brakes did NOT have self adjusters. Anyhow, here is a pic of the front brakes on nmy 69RR.

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Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 04:49 PM

Yes the strut bar assembly is only used on the rear for the parking brake .
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 05:45 PM

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Troy, I do not have a picture of the rear brakes but I believe you are correct about the strut for the parking brake. I thought HD brakes did NOT have self adjusters. Anyhow, here is a pic of the front brakes on nmy 69RR.



John,
I'm starting to think that myself about the adjuster,, at least for the front. So, on your R.R, you didn't have self-adjusters on the rear either? I found two of the short thick springs just like the ones on the bottom that hold the lower shoes together and add resistance to the adjuster. Didn't want to, but I guess I can tear into my '69 C500 and see the setup, should be the same....
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 05:46 PM

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Yes the strut bar assembly is only used on the rear for the parking brake .



If that's the case, then I have one side then..

Thanks.......
Posted By: John69RR

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 07:00 PM

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Troy, I do not have a picture of the rear brakes but I believe you are correct about the strut for the parking brake. I thought HD brakes did NOT have self adjusters. Anyhow, here is a pic of the front brakes on nmy 69RR.



John,
I'm starting to think that myself about the adjuster,, at least for the front. So, on your R.R, you didn't have self-adjusters on the rear either? I found two of the short thick springs just like the ones on the bottom that hold the lower shoes together and add resistance to the adjuster. Didn't want to, but I guess I can tear into my '69 C500 and see the setup, should be the same....


That's correct. No self adjusters on front or rear. I do not have a scanner, but on page 5-6 of the 69 Dodge manual are pictures of the front and rear HD and police brakes. No self adjusters, strut only on rear for parking brake.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 07:16 PM

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Troy, I do not have a picture of the rear brakes but I believe you are correct about the strut for the parking brake. I thought HD brakes did NOT have self adjusters. Anyhow, here is a pic of the front brakes on nmy 69RR.



John,
I'm starting to think that myself about the adjuster,, at least for the front. So, on your R.R, you didn't have self-adjusters on the rear either? I found two of the short thick springs just like the ones on the bottom that hold the lower shoes together and add resistance to the adjuster. Didn't want to, but I guess I can tear into my '69 C500 and see the setup, should be the same....


That's correct. No self adjusters on front or rear. I do not have a scanner, but on page 5-6 of the 69 Dodge manual are pictures of the front and rear HD and police brakes. No self adjusters, strut only on rear for parking brake.



You referring to the 69 Service Manual? I was looking at my '68 Service Manua and apparently, they only show the 10" with the adjusters within the brakes section. I'll take a look at my '69 Service Manual............
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 07:42 PM

Troy your car should have the self adjusters on the rear , but I guess you could run without them if you want to adjust the rear every so often .
Posted By: 68CoronetRT

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 07:43 PM

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That's correct. No self adjusters on front or rear. I do not have a scanner, but on page 5-6 of the 69 Dodge manual are pictures of the front and rear HD and police brakes. No self adjusters, strut only on rear for parking brake.



The 11" brakes are part of the Police Package and do not have self adjusters. Only the rears have the strut which is a functioning part of the emergency/parking brake system.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 07:54 PM

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That's correct. No self adjusters on front or rear. I do not have a scanner, but on page 5-6 of the 69 Dodge manual are pictures of the front and rear HD and police brakes. No self adjusters, strut only on rear for parking brake.



The 11" brakes are part of the Police Package and do not have self adjusters. Only the rears have the strut which is a functioning part of the emergency/parking brake system.



Dang, then the 11" adjuster kits I got was for nothing.. Oh well.... The hardware kit will work though... Another reason I should have asked first and/or looked at my '69 Charger 500's drums............ My C500 with Dana should be the same as the '68 Hemi R/T...
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 08:31 PM

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That's correct. No self adjusters on front or rear. I do not have a scanner, but on page 5-6 of the 69 Dodge manual are pictures of the front and rear HD and police brakes. No self adjusters, strut only on rear for parking brake.



The 11" brakes are part of the Police Package and do not have self adjusters. Only the rears have the strut which is a functioning part of the emergency/parking brake system.



Dang, then the 11" adjuster kits I got was for nothing.. Oh well.... The hardware kit will work though... Another reason I should have asked first and/or looked at my '69 Charger 500's drums............ My C500 with Dana should be the same as the '68 Hemi R/T...



I would look at the other car , I have yet to crack open an 11" rear drum setup and not find the self adjusters in there ??? But these are not 1 owner , low mileage cars .
Posted By: Classof70Chally

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 08:47 PM

Good info. I have 11' rears with no adjusters but have been thinking of adding them as I have better things to do than adjust my brakes every couple of months.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 09:06 PM

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Good info. I have 11' rears with no adjusters but have been thinking of adding them as I have better things to do than adjust my brakes every couple of months.



That's a thought as well.. I already have all the components for modify all 4 corners to self-adjusters.... Anyone think of any negative things about modifying the non to adjustable?

Posted By: John69RR

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/09/09 10:45 PM

Unless you are going for 100% concours correct, go for it. It's one less maintenance issue to address.
Posted By: 68CoronetRT

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/10/09 01:17 AM

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Unless you are going for 100% concours correct, go for it. It's one less maintenance issue to address.



Which is why you find them on many of the cars even though they weren't that way from the factory.
Posted By: sthemi

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/10/09 01:30 AM

If you are going to put a lot of miles on the car , I would add the self adjusters.
If not leave em correct. They will need adjustment about every 5k miles..
Back in the drum brake days the Hot ticket to improve 1/4 mile times was to back off the shoes to reduce drag and HP loss.
Some of the old drag tests will include a word or two about backing off the self adjusters...
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/10/09 11:56 AM

For push comes to shove, these are the items I'm in need of...

I'm in need of the parking brake strut and anti-rattle spring. Along with that, I'd like to get 2 or 4 of the adjusters complete (includes the two main components and the hardened thin washer. I also need the two thick lower springs that hold the lower shoes together (star wheel lock spring. Finally, 4 wheel cylinder push rods.

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Posted By: 68CoronetRT

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/10/09 03:39 PM

The strut bar, retainer washers and star adjusters can all be sandblasted and refinished. I wire brushed my adjuster threads to get a nice shine to them. The springs are available in kits from Rock Auto and others.
Try a few of the major suppliers like RT specialties, Herb's, Jack's, etc. and you will find everything you need.
By the way, I bought my new 11" front pads at AutoZone for about $30 (special order) and they were the riveted pads and an exact match.
Posted By: cdp

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/11/09 01:44 AM

I just did my front brakes and converted to self adjusting. This is for my A12. The adjusters are available new for about $12 I think, but you need to make sure which ones to get. They are different between non and adjusting.

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Posted By: cdp

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/11/09 01:55 AM

Mopar kits are #4636773 for 11" brakes. Struts are 4761762 rt, 4746173 lt.

May ?? still be available from dealer. Source is from a 1994 Mopar Action.
Posted By: LYNCHROAD69.5

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/11/09 03:20 AM

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For push comes to shove, these are the items I'm in need of...

I'm in need of the parking brake strut and anti-rattle spring. Along with that, I'd like to get 2 or 4 of the adjusters complete (includes the two main components and the hardened thin washer. I also need the two thick lower springs that hold the lower shoes together (star wheel lock spring. Finally, 4 wheel cylinder push rods.


Troy..been there done that...parking brake strut can be obtained from mopar member "DoctorDiff". Anti rattle spring from local NAPA (that's where I got mine). Heavy duty star wheel adjusters and star wheel lock spring also from NAPA. Wheel clinder push rods are tricky. Only place I have seen them is Year One for $15/each...ouch! See picture below of my set up (not the best picture but you get the jist)...I think it's similar to what you are talking about. I have part # for items from NAPA if you want them...PM me if you need them. BTW car looks great

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/11/09 10:31 AM

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For push comes to shove, these are the items I'm in need of...

I'm in need of the parking brake strut and anti-rattle spring. Along with that, I'd like to get 2 or 4 of the adjusters complete (includes the two main components and the hardened thin washer. I also need the two thick lower springs that hold the lower shoes together (star wheel lock spring. Finally, 4 wheel cylinder push rods.


Troy..been there done that...parking brake strut can be obtained from mopar member "DoctorDiff". Anti rattle spring from local NAPA (that's where I got mine). Heavy duty star wheel adjusters and star wheel lock spring also from NAPA. Wheel clinder push rods are tricky. Only place I have seen them is Year One for $15/each...ouch! See picture below of my set up (not the best picture but you get the jist)...I think it's similar to what you are talking about. I have part # for items from NAPA if you want them...PM me if you need them. BTW car looks great



Perfect Wayne... Thanks.. I'll send you a PM..

Cheers.
Troy
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/11/09 01:48 PM

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Good info. I have 11' rears with no adjusters but have been thinking of adding them as I have better things to do than adjust my brakes every couple of months.



That's a thought as well.. I already have all the components for modify all 4 corners to self-adjusters.... Anyone think of any negative things about modifying the non to adjustable?





Will you be removing your wheels and drums at car shows ??? If it's going to be a trailer queen and you believe they didn't have them then leave them out .
Posted By: LYNCHROAD69.5

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/11/09 01:51 PM

I have part # for items from NAPA if you want them...PM me if you need them. BTW car looks great



Troy, picture of boxes with part # is below:

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/11/09 03:06 PM

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I have part # for items from NAPA if you want them...PM me if you need them. BTW car looks great



Troy, picture of boxes with part # is below:



Thanks Wayne... I checked NAPA's website and all "show" to be good numbers...

I'm taking it that there are two anti-rattle springs per kit, one adjusting screw per box and one adjusting screw spring per box.
Posted By: LYNCHROAD69.5

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/11/09 03:17 PM

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I have part # for items from NAPA if you want them...PM me if you need them. BTW car looks great



Troy, picture of boxes with part # is below:



Thanks Wayne... I checked NAPA's website and all "show" to be good numbers...

I'm taking it that there are two anti-rattle springs per kit, one adjusting screw per box and one adjusting screw spring per box.



That's right except for the screw spring....the box I had contained 4 in it sealed in a bag. BTW I checked my email and doctordiff has the parking brake levers and can get the struts if necessary. His email is shown on the user list..good luck.
Posted By: Classof70Chally

Re: 11" front & rear brake assembly pics - 03/11/09 03:26 PM

I just checked on NAPA's site and they show a self adjuster 'repair kit' that has everything including new cables for about $16 per wheel ( #80685 & #80686 rears) . Looks like I'll be taking the Vert for a drive today on a parts run!
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