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70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos

Posted By: scatpacktom

70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 03:56 PM

Working on my 70 Duster and I'd like to make sure I have all the right bits and pieces.Anybody got any good shots?
Posted By: 70challrtse

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 04:17 PM

70 Swinger.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 04:21 PM

Tom,
I don't have many pics of 70's, most are 71's. However, there are not allot of differences other than the intake/carb combo.

This one is pretty darn accurate

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Posted By: VCODE

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 04:24 PM

Quote:

Tom,
I don't have many pics of 70's, most are 71's. However, there are not allot of differences other than the intake/carb combo.

This one is pretty darn accurate




Hey Tom,
You saw that
Scott used the picture from my Hawaii Cuda
done at The Finer Details(ken mosier)

Bob
Posted By: VCODE

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 04:26 PM

Tom,
One more picture for you
where you able to find the picture of the heater delete plate for me
Bob

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Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:22 PM

Thanks guys but keep 'em coming.How about a pic of the throttle return spring bracket?

Bob, the picture wont be till I dig the car out of the barn in the spring.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:28 PM

This is an original paint 71 engine but should be the same on the bracket details

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Posted By: AdamR

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:31 PM

heres one. Intake and carb arent stock though.

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:33 PM

Adam, nice engine! The alternator isn't detailed correctly, the exhaust manifolds need some rust and orange paint, just some minor stuff though
Posted By: AdamR

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:38 PM

Wish I could take the credit, Its another members though.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:41 PM

Adam, regardless of who owns it, it's a sweet looking example, most small block guys don't go very far into the final detail department for some reason, his is closer than most. I would have him take a look at that radiator though, good a little "green" on the front of the core?
Posted By: ademon

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:42 PM

Nice engine!!!!, What detail is he missing on the alt? alt spacers should be phos coated? Did i say nice engine
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:44 PM

I'm thinking that the return spring bracket is different in 70 can anyone verify?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:45 PM

Spacers are wrong colors and the center band should be natural metal with a transparent brownish varnish looking coating of electrical sealer, not black paint. I'd need close up pics or a personal view to comment much further.
Posted By: AdamR

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:45 PM

Heres a few unrestored 340 pics

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Posted By: gtx6970

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:46 PM

Quote:

This is an original paint 71 engine but should be the same on the bracket details



return spring bracket is different 1970 versus 1971 . 71's are taller
Posted By: AdamR

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:46 PM

nudder

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:47 PM

I agree Bill, just putting it up for paint detailing.
Posted By: AdamR

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:47 PM



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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 06:49 PM

Adam,

That one has been worked over pretty well, allot of good remaining details but allot of modified/wrong ones as well (no ex heat shield, hoses, clamps, water pump, etc.)
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 08:02 PM

Note that the unrestored engines pictured have black dipsticks.
Posted By: AdamR

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 08:07 PM

Heres another unrestored 340 with a black dip stick handle.

Nice catch Barry !

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Posted By: 70challrtse

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 10:11 PM

Let me try again. These are a few pics I took last year.

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Posted By: 70challrtse

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 10:12 PM

Another.

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Posted By: 70challrtse

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 10:14 PM

One more.

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Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 10:22 PM

Common small block restoration errors also include the spark plug looms, they should not be painted.

Also, the negative battery cables were not attached to the engine when painted. (this is a big block only thing)
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 10:29 PM

I agree with all of that Barry, however my mind is open for the possibility that some battery cables may have been painted with the engine. I haven't seen absalute proof yet but have seen some pretty convincing evidence. As common as they are you'd think the details of small blocks would be set in stone by now but it seems that allot of people are still pretty confused on what's correct or not, self included on some smaller details. Still learning,little things everytime I see a good survivor example.
Posted By: AdamR

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 10:38 PM

What about the fuel pump ? I believe they were installed on BBs, How about SBs ?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 10:41 PM

And until we learn of a small block with an original painted battery cable, we have to say none are known.

I will also add that I usually only look at 1970 cars, so I have no clue if it changed later.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 10:44 PM

Original 1970 fuel pump;

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Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 10:47 PM

Someone asked about the alternator as well;

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Posted By: cdp

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 11:05 PM

Mopar Action showed an untouched...I think late 71-up small block (as it was blue/turquise) that clearly had the neg. battery cable installed when painted and was laying across the valve cover when done.

This doesn't help, of course, on a 70. But never say never. It would be nice to see more untouched 69-72 340's documented for reference.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 11:09 PM

That's correct Barry, and I haven't seen a documented painted 70 cable either......Yet (just leaving the possibility open since I have seen later ones as noted above).

Here's one for you, what year do you think these valve covers came off of? That's original paint.

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 11:10 PM

Another view

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 11:11 PM

Inspection mark

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Posted By: AdamR

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/21/09 11:15 PM

How about a list

intake - painted
Coil bracket
throttle bracket
clamp
return spring bracket
spring
auto trans return spring
temp sending unit
therm housing
Bypass hose - Painted
clamps - painted


Valve covers painted
bolts
grommets
PCV valve
Breather
oil cap
wire looms


Dip stick tube
Dip stick handle


Alt brackets
Spacer
bolts
Alt pulley


Fuel pump
Bolts


motor mounts
hardware

Battery cable
bolt

Oil press sending unit

Distributor clamp
bolt
Posted By: gtx6970

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 12:51 AM

this is my I did learn LONG ago never say never on mopars
Quote:

How about a list

intake - painted
Coil bracket - clear zinc
throttle bracket - engine color
clamp - clear zinc with a dark/black phosphate captive washer nut
return spring bracket - engine color
spring - depends on number of coils, and I'm not completly 100% convinced which one IS correct. I can say for 100% certainty a 1971 duster 318 2bbl with 3 spd trans it was yellow
auto trans return spring - see line above
temp sending unit- yellow zinc di-chromate
therm housing - engine color
Bypass hose - - engine color
clamps - - engine color


Valve covers painted
bolts - engine color
grommets- engine color
PCV valve- engine color
Breather - lower gloss black
oil cap - engine color
wire looms ?


Dip stick tube - engine color
Dip stick handle - on my own 1970 340 challenger it was still original paint - orange


Alt brackets - low gloss black
Spacer - dark phosphate
bolts -dark phosphate
Alt pulley - low gloss black


Fuel pump ?
Bolts - obviously phosphate if the pump is unpainted


motor mounts - low gloss black
hardware - phosphate

Battery cable . I removed the original from my brothers 41K mile 1971 duster 318 and it was definitly engine color at the cyl head end ( blue btw )
bolt - see above

Oil press sending unit - yellow zinc di-chromate

Distributor clamp - Plated in ??????
bolt - same 1971 duster the bolt was yellow zinc with a captive washer


Posted By: Steve340

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 12:54 AM

70 340. Taken before I got the correct hoses and PVC from Scott or was that Bill? Fuel line is incorrect from filter to carb. What else?

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Posted By: Steve340

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 12:56 AM

another

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Posted By: Steve340

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 12:59 AM

another1

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Posted By: 70challrtse

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 01:13 AM

Quote:

Common small block restoration errors also include the spark plug looms, they should not be painted.

Also, the negative battery cables were not attached to the engine when painted. (this is a big block only thing)



Thanks for the plug loom tip Barry, I didn't know that.

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Posted By: bremotorsports

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 04:29 AM

There were two versions of negative battery cable identification for 70-72 small block-equipped cars. First is the most common: Via label:

Can be found about at either end. Either next to terminal at engine end, or about three inches from cable head at battery.

This particular example is a true production line "lunchbox" piece.

Bill Rolik

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Posted By: bremotorsports

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 04:31 AM

Second version is via direct ink stamping on cable, which is stamped several times along the cable. This is from one of my own cars (1 owner).

Bill Rolik

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Posted By: bremotorsports

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 04:36 AM

Another view of the same cable.

BR

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Posted By: bremotorsports

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 04:37 AM

I now have outstanding repro labels on hand.

BR

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Posted By: bremotorsports

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 04:39 AM

Distributor clamps were copper plated. Here are some originals. I have redone these as well, and they are on my website.

BR

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Posted By: bremotorsports

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 04:43 AM

As opposed to blue 340 engines, which had painted valve cover wire looms, the earlier orange-painted engines, in every case I have observed, have had unpainted looms.

BR

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Posted By: ademon

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 07:38 AM

did the 71 neg cable have a rubber boot at the engine side? the one i pulled out of my71 demon 340 had this, but didn't see any #'s
Posted By: bremotorsports

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 04:16 PM

I have yet to see a boot on a small block.

BR
Posted By: LimeliteAero

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 05:36 PM

Quote:

Second version is via direct ink stamping on cable, which is stamped several times along the cable. This is from one of my own cars (1 owner).

Bill Rolik




Ive never seen this before....wow is that cool. Is there anyone repoping that?
Posted By: bremotorsports

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 02/22/09 06:40 PM

I have already made the stamp.

Bill Rolik
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 03/14/09 02:47 AM

Quote:

Tom,
I don't have many pics of 70's, most are 71's. However, there are not allot of differences other than the intake/carb combo.

This one is pretty darn accurate




Is that race hemi orange? It appears brighter than the other 340s on the bottom the page.
Posted By: ECS

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 03/14/09 08:49 PM

Quote:

Working on my 70 Duster and I'd like to make sure I have all the right bits and pieces.Anybody got any good shots?





Another major detail that is often over looked pertains to the painted overspray patterns on the exhaust manifolds. These items were painted on the engine. More times than not, the restorer does not correctly calculate the pattern that should result from having these bolted into place. Notice a few of the examples that have been posted here. The bottom of the collector on the exhaust manifold is bare while the immediate background and surrounding area (on the engine block) is completely covered with paint. That particular spray pattern would be impossible if the manifold was painted on the engine. Also take note of the overspray that is evident where the manifold bolts onto the engine. You will see a transparent amount of overspray but the engine will have full heavy paint coverage. If you are going to copy an assembly line job, think through the logic of how the “physics” actual work. It is extremely evident when the process has not been thought through properly and the parts actually clash with each other.
If the manifolds were painted on the engine…. paint them on the engine! Why perform a contrasting (noticeable) two step process?
Posted By: HEMICUDA

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 03/14/09 09:02 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Working on my 70 Duster and I'd like to make sure I have all the right bits and pieces.Anybody got any good shots?





Another major detail that is often over looked pertains to the painted overspray patterns on the exhaust manifolds. These items were painted on the engine. More times than not, the restorer does not correctly calculate the pattern that should result from having these bolted into place. Notice a few of the examples that have been posted here. The bottom of the collector on the exhaust manifold is bare while the immediate background and surrounding area (on the engine block) is completely covered with paint. That particular spray pattern would be impossible if the manifold was painted on the engine. Also take note of the overspray that is evident where the manifold bolts onto the engine. You will see a transparent amount of overspray but the engine will have full heavy paint coverage. If you are going to copy an assembly line job, think through the logic of how the “physics” actual work. It is extremely evident when the process has not been thought through properly and the parts actually clash with each other.
If the manifolds were painted on the engine…. paint them on the engine! Why perform a contrasting (noticeable) two step process?





Actually Dave, the easiest way to get the absolute perfect factory paint is to know exactly what was on the engine during the factory paint process. Next, don't paint the engine until the morning after a really good night drinking and you have an incredible hang over. Now, just before you start painting, get in a really big fight with your wife, now you’re ready for a perfect shoddy factory paint job.
Posted By: BradD

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 03/14/09 09:43 PM

Worker Boss If you are painting in the afternoon, make sure you tip the bottle during break or lunch!(it's behind the radio or TV)
Posted By: AdamR

Re: 70 340 4 bbl engine detail photos - 03/15/09 12:22 AM

I would think that 90% of the exhaust manifolds would be covered. I know If I were painting them at the factory I would try to go around them, I would just paint them.
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