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'68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - Now Painted -

Posted By: njmopar

'68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - Now Painted - - 12/18/16 04:37 AM

Sorry, I know this has been covered at some time, but I just cant find it via searching. Wish I would have bookmarked it.

I am trying to assemble what needs to be on the engine for painting on my '68 383 Dart. I need some reference photos of what is correct. Hoping Rhino comes to the rescue.

Passenger side engine mount bracket and rubber, engine color?
Drivers side engine mount bracket and rubber, black?
Dipstick tube, bare? Since it is bolted to the rear bracket mount, I am thinking the tube may be not painted?
Fuel pump, engine color?
Temp sender, oil pressure switch, engine color?
Anything else bolt on that needs to be on before paint?

Thanks!
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/18/16 07:07 PM

Since no replies yet, adding to the questions.

I have see some negative battery cables attached to the block on the bolt for the throttle return spring and also on the water pump housing on one of the accessory mounting holes.
I am thinking the throttle return spring bolt is correct. I would think this is a more solid ground point and what Dodge would do. Water pump housing would create more resistance, IMHO.
Posted By: FJ5_Fish

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/19/16 08:50 PM

Originally Posted By njmopar
Sorry, I know this has been covered at some time, but I just cant find it via searching. Wish I would have bookmarked it.

I am trying to assemble what needs to be on the engine for painting on my '68 383 Dart. I need some reference photos of what is correct. Hoping Rhino comes to the rescue.

Passenger side engine mount bracket and rubber, engine color? No - Black
Drivers side engine mount bracket and rubber, black? Yes - same as other mount
Dipstick tube, bare? Since it is bolted to the rear bracket mount, I am thinking the tube may be not painted?
Fuel pump, engine color? Yes
Temp sender not painted,
oil pressure switch - only if it is the small non oil pressure gauge sender...if it is the small one, mask off the terminal area before engine painting.
Anything else bolt on that needs to be on before paint?
Exhaust manifolds.....spark plugs (masked off)

Thanks!
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/20/16 04:16 AM

Originally Posted By FJ5_Fish
Originally Posted By njmopar
Sorry, I know this has been covered at some time, but I just cant find it via searching. Wish I would have bookmarked it.

I am trying to assemble what needs to be on the engine for painting on my '68 383 Dart. I need some reference photos of what is correct. Hoping Rhino comes to the rescue.

Passenger side engine mount bracket and rubber, engine color? No - Black
Drivers side engine mount bracket and rubber, black? Yes - same as other mount
Dipstick tube, bare? Since it is bolted to the rear bracket mount, I am thinking the tube may be not painted?
Fuel pump, engine color? Yes
Temp sender not painted,
oil pressure switch - only if it is the small non oil pressure gauge sender...if it is the small one, mask off the terminal area before engine painting.
Anything else bolt on that needs to be on before paint?
Exhaust manifolds.....spark plugs (masked off)

Thanks!


I agree with passenger side bracket black, but I have seen the drivers side painted engine color.
Dipstick tube can be bare or painted, seen both. I always paint because I don't like bare parts rusting.
Fuel pump painted engine color if going for OEM.
The oil sender is painted but I hate that.
Negative cable is bolted to the open bolt hole on the head near the intake..

See the 69 engine mount below from the GTS registry

http://www.gtsregistry1969.com/ref383motormount.jpg
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/20/16 04:25 AM

Thanks for the feedback. Would have figured the temp sensor was in before paint, but easy enough to remove now.
For the negative cable, agree on the throttle bracket? If yes, over or under the bracket? Over goes towards the water pump housing and under goes up towards the valve cover. I tried both ways and both look good. The lug end fits fine either way.

Oh and then the negative ground strap on passenger rear. I would think this is installed before paint as well. Need to find that cable in my stash.....

Amazing, all the photos I have taken over the years, you would think I could get a consensus on these things. Every engine compartment looks different now that I study them.


Description: Under throttle bracket
Attached picture IMG-20120705-00021.jpg

Description: Water pump
Attached picture 00000014.jpg

Description: On top of bracket
Attached picture 67gts_8.jpg
Posted By: FJ5_Fish

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/20/16 04:13 PM

I will bow to Jim on the one engine bracket may be painted....being a big block A-Body - this may have been the procedure. All other V8's - except Hemi were black.

Negative cable under throttle return bracket.
Rear ground cable was on engine when engine was painted - lug for firewall was masked off.

I'm thinking the dipstick tube should be un-painted.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/20/16 04:30 PM

I don't agree that the negative cable is attached above the spring bracket, should be in the bolt hole in the head NEAR the spring bracket.
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/21/16 01:22 PM

Originally Posted By Rhinodart
I don't agree that the negative cable is attached above the spring bracket, should be in the bolt hole in the head NEAR the spring bracket.

Which bolt hole? The only hole near this area has the spring bracket tab sticking in it.
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/22/16 03:12 AM

Originally Posted By njmopar
Originally Posted By Rhinodart
I don't agree that the negative cable is attached above the spring bracket, should be in the bolt hole in the head NEAR the spring bracket.

Which bolt hole? The only hole near this area has the spring bracket tab sticking in it.


Should be the intake manifold bolt
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/22/16 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By njmopar
Thanks for the feedback. Would have figured the temp sensor was in before paint, but easy enough to remove now.
For the negative cable, agree on the throttle bracket? If yes, over or under the bracket? Over goes towards the water pump housing and under goes up towards the valve cover. I tried both ways and both look good. The lug end fits fine either way.

Oh and then the negative ground strap on passenger rear. I would think this is installed before paint as well. Need to find that cable in my stash.....

Amazing, all the photos I have taken over the years, you would think I could get a consensus on these things. Every engine compartment looks different now that I study them.


If I'm mistaken the emissions tag on your car is on the wrong side
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/22/16 03:22 AM

Originally Posted By njmopar
Thanks for the feedback. Would have figured the temp sensor was in before paint, but easy enough to remove now.
For the negative cable, agree on the throttle bracket? If yes, over or under the bracket? Over goes towards the water pump housing and under goes up towards the valve cover. I tried both ways and both look good. The lug end fits fine either way.

Oh and then the negative ground strap on passenger rear. I would think this is installed before paint as well. Need to find that cable in my stash.....

Amazing, all the photos I have taken over the years, you would think I could get a consensus on these things. Every engine compartment looks different now that I study them.



I do have a question, do you have the console tach? If so that wire coming out of the fire wall withe the gray female spade, where does that go?
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/22/16 03:30 AM

Originally Posted By Rhinodart
Originally Posted By FJ5_Fish
Originally Posted By njmopar
Sorry, I know this has been covered at some time, but I just cant find it via searching. Wish I would have bookmarked it.

I am trying to assemble what needs to be on the engine for painting on my '68 383 Dart. I need some reference photos of what is correct. Hoping Rhino comes to the rescue.

Passenger side engine mount bracket and rubber, engine color? No - Black
Drivers side engine mount bracket and rubber, black? Yes - same as other mount
Dipstick tube, bare? Since it is bolted to the rear bracket mount, I am thinking the tube may be not painted?
Fuel pump, engine color? Yes
Temp sender not painted,
oil pressure switch - only if it is the small non oil pressure gauge sender...if it is the small one, mask off the terminal area before engine painting.
Anything else bolt on that needs to be on before paint?
Exhaust manifolds.....spark plugs (masked off)

Thanks!


I agree with passenger side bracket black, but I have seen the drivers side painted engine color.
Dipstick tube can be bare or painted, seen both. I always paint because I don't like bare parts rusting.
Fuel pump painted engine color if going for OEM.
The oil sender is painted but I hate that.
Negative cable is bolted to the open bolt hole on the head near the intake..

See the 69 engine mount below from the GTS registry

http://www.gtsregistry1969.com/ref383motormount.jpg


Maybe overspray?
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/22/16 07:48 PM

Originally Posted By dart4forte
Originally Posted By njmopar
Thanks for the feedback. Would have figured the temp sensor was in before paint, but easy enough to remove now.
For the negative cable, agree on the throttle bracket? If yes, over or under the bracket? Over goes towards the water pump housing and under goes up towards the valve cover. I tried both ways and both look good. The lug end fits fine either way.

Oh and then the negative ground strap on passenger rear. I would think this is installed before paint as well. Need to find that cable in my stash.....

Amazing, all the photos I have taken over the years, you would think I could get a consensus on these things. Every engine compartment looks different now that I study them.


If I'm mistaken the emissions tag on your car is on the wrong side

None of photos are my cars, just ones I have photographed or found on the net.

I took a look at a pic of my car before teardown. Label is on right/passengers side inner fender.

BTW, my car was missing the engine, which is the reason for all the questions.



Description: Photo from 1999
Attached picture old photo.jpg
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/22/16 09:20 PM

The emissions tag goes next to the fender tag
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/22/16 09:52 PM

Originally Posted By dart4forte
The emissions tag goes next to the fender tag


not in '68
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/22/16 11:48 PM

The pic of my car is the decal in original location, I put money on that. I know this car history back to 1979 and it looked the same then (with no engine sadly). I have old print photos. So unless someone between 1968 and 1979 decided to move it, that was factory.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/24/16 12:52 AM

Then it is just another factory mistake...
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/24/16 05:47 PM

Originally Posted By Rhinodart
Then it is just another factory mistake...


I'll keep my factory mistake when putting my label back on.
Makes setting timing that much easier, quick reference wink
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/25/16 06:07 AM

One last question, I hope.
Heater hose tubes on water pump housing, painted or not?
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/25/16 10:41 PM

Originally Posted By njmopar
Originally Posted By Rhinodart
Then it is just another factory mistake...


I'll keep my factory mistake when putting my label back on.
Makes setting timing that much easier, quick reference wink



I hear ya there, my 69 GTS had a DART SWINGER stripe on one side and a GT SPORT stripe on the other! laugh2 I am assuming you mean the heater hose nipples coming out of the water pump housing, they were painted when the engine was before the hoses got put on. wave Now have a good talk with Galen about the 68 fender tags put on 180 degrees off... runaway
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/25/16 11:05 PM

pay attention Jim spank

1968
fender tag is on driver's inner fender
emission decal is on passenger inner fender

or am I missing something? realcrazy
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/26/16 07:40 PM

Originally Posted By 6bblgt
pay attention Jim spank

1968
fender tag is on driver's inner fender
emission decal is on passenger inner fender

or am I missing something? realcrazy


Still don't agree with the emission decal on the passenger inner fender on Hamtramck cars. My post above was that I have seen PLENTY of 68 Dart's with the fender tag screwed on looking AWAY from the fender, turned 180 degrees from normal... scope
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/28/16 03:40 AM

We had a nice near 60F day today so I got the engine painted. I couldnt stand not having paint in all areas, so I took off the water pump housing and damper, painted, then reinstalled. Here are some pics. These are just temporary valve covers, not my fresh rechromed ones.
This is Bill Hirsch engine paint
First time using, came recommended. I must say, has to be the nicest engine paint I ever used. Flows on so nice. Drys very quick. Since it comes in quarts, you can brush it on in spots, like I did for the water pump housing bolts and the seam.

The only gotcha moment was later on when I was test fitting some parts, as I was so pumped to see things fitted. I took out the choke well cup and what the???, doesnt fit. For some reason I bought this thinking it was like my 71 440, which I guess this cup didnt come until 1970. So does the choke just sit in the well, no gasket or anything?




Description: Before pump housing and damper is on.
Attached picture IMG_0213s.JPG

Description: rear
Attached picture IMG_0214s.JPG

Description: All parts on
Attached picture IMG_0215s.JPG

Description: other side
Attached picture IMG_0216s.JPG
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - 12/28/16 09:03 PM

What paint did you use ? that doesn't look like the right color ?

oh and FYI , exh manifolds installed when engine was painted and painted engine color .
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - Now Painted - - 12/28/16 09:40 PM

The flash on my phone is playing with the color, depending on how it hits it. It is turquoise.
As mentioned I used Bill Hirsch paint

I know about the manifolds, rather get those jet coated then let the paint burn off.

Attached picture IMG_0217s.JPG
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - Now Painted - - 12/28/16 09:52 PM

Funny when I take a photo with the iphone it looks different than in real life.
Here is a photo of the only part I have left from the engine in my car, the rear ground strap. Color to eye looks virtually the same, but in the phone, slight difference. Close enough for me.

Attached picture IMG_0236s.JPG
Posted By: njmopar

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - Now Painted - - 12/28/16 10:30 PM

Messing with my eyes... Here is a photo with incandescent light, which is the closest match to what my eyes see. Not sure what is going on with iphone.
Its a microshade different.


Description: zoomed in
Attached picture IMG_0239s.JPG
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - Now Painted - - 12/29/16 06:20 AM

I have been using Hirsch paints for decades, you can brush it on and it will look like spray! Looks to nice, shoulda done it sloppy like the factory... tonguue
Posted By: RJS

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - Now Painted - - 12/29/16 06:39 PM

Those heater hose nipples weren't on Engine when painted.
Ron
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