Posted By: carcrazyguy
Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/05/14 12:11 AM
I need to get a rotisserie for the 73 Barracuda. I am looking at the Auto Twirrler brand. More specifically the Auto Twirler Plus. Anyone use one of those? Are there any accessories that I should consider along with the rotissirie?
Posted By: azblackhemi
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/05/14 12:26 AM
I bought an Auto twirler at the end of last year. I finally put a car on it this last week. Apparently the company was sold and has had some quality control issues. There is a large bolt that goes through the main upright with a large thick washer to hold it in place safely. On mine the holes were drilled on an angle instead of straight through so the washer wouldn't fit in the hole. I had to plasma cut out over a quarter inch of each hole to make it work. My other problem is I put a 70 Challenger convertible on it and can't get it perfectly balanced no matter where I adjust it. I was told the lower center of gravity of a vert makes it tough. The steel and welds do look like it is made very well but so far I'm really not completely satisfied although it will work for me just not as well as I hoped. We'll see how it goes with the next car on it.
Posted By: AAR#2
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/05/14 01:27 AM
Can't speak for Auto Twirler but can tell you my Whirly Jig is outstanding. My painter hasn't stopped trying to buy it from me since I sent my car to him on it (he ownes the other brand)
http://www.whirlyjig.com/Good luck whatever you decide
Posted By: Stanton
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/05/14 02:13 AM
I build rotisseries in Canada for the market up here. I've made it a point over the years to look at all of the higher end (US-made) units and my favorite by a long shot is the Whirly-Jig. A little more money maybe but better than anything else by leaps and bounds.
Here's a prime example ... this unit doesn't even have a car on it and its already sagging at the ends of the arms !!! And this is their top of the line model !!!
As for:
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My other problem is I put a 70 Challenger convertible on it and can't get it perfectly balanced no matter where I adjust it. I was told the lower center of gravity of a vert makes it tough.
This is absolutely true of convertibles. To get them to balance well you need mounts that raise the car up a bit. On ragtops the car has to be able to be raised so that the floor is almost level with the pivots!
Posted By: 5wndwcpe
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/05/14 03:05 AM
I did quite a bit of research on the better known rotos before I bought mine and though most had their supporters and detractors, no one and I mean no one had a bad thing to say about the Whirly-Jig. Ultimately, thats what I bought and I've not looked back since.
As an added bonus, when you're done with it, you'll have no problem selling it, that's for sure.
Posted By: 2abodymcodes
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/05/14 04:17 AM
I've also got a whirly-jig pro. best money I've ever spent on tools or equipment.
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/05/14 02:30 PM
Another vote for the Whirley Jig.
Bought mine several years ago,,,,,ZERO complaints
Posted By: Rhinodart
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/06/14 05:13 AM
I made mine from a friends plans he bought from a magazine. Cost me $240 in steel and a few hours of cutting and welding. No issues with my 69 GTS on it...
Posted By: carcrazyguy
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/06/14 05:55 AM
Looks like it will be the Whirlyjig Pro Plus.
Looks like that will keep me from having to order any extra accessories. I do like the body/frame stiffener but not sure that would be needed for my hardtops.
Posted By: Stanton
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/06/14 04:18 PM
You made the right choice !
Posted By: Morty426
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/06/14 09:47 PM
I have an auto twirler plus and have been more than happy with it.
I made my own mounting brackets.
Posted By: Stanton
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/06/14 10:42 PM
I suppose $55. isn't the end of the world.
Posted By: Silver70
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/07/14 06:19 PM
I got a whirly jig pro model, we picked it up at the nats back in 92 and it still looks and works like the day we bought it. No doubt in my mind they are the best out there
I also got the wheels and hitch kit to roll it off road, nice for moving on my dirt/gravel driveway.
Posted By: JDMopar
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/07/14 07:29 PM
You won't regret the Whirly-Jig. I bought one used here on Moparts, and love it!
Posted By: carcrazyguy
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/20/14 12:57 AM
Okay it's all y'alls fault.....
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/20/14 01:56 AM
Cool deal! and you got a dog house out of the deal too.
Posted By: carcrazyguy
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/23/14 05:53 AM
Posted By: carcrazyguy
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/23/14 03:37 PM
Okay. We were going off the instructions on where to mount. Right now this is just mocked up and still sitting on jack stands.
Posted By: Stanton
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/23/14 06:17 PM
Where you have it mounted will work fine but on e-bodies I always use mounts that use the rear spring hanger hole. Leave it, you'll be fine.
To balance the car:
Put a spirit level on your floor - take a reading. Put the level on the door sill and adjust the car to match to the floor (close is good). This is done with the threaded rod on each end - adjust one up or down as necessary. The crossbars at either end will not necessarily be at the same height since the front and rear mounting points on the car are likely not at the same height.
So now that its level, you want to balance it.
Pull the locking pin out of the sprocket an loosen the lock bolts so the car can spin. Hopefully you haven't already got it too high but that's unlikely). Try to spin the car - push it a foot or so and then let go. If it wants to drop back to its original position then its too low. Adjust the threaded rods at each end equally to raise the car. Repeat trying to spin the car and adjusting till the car doesn't want to drop back to its original position. It should also get easier to spin as it gets closer to balanced.
Depending on what you still have on the car you may not get it balanced at all - i.e. if the rear end and front suspension are still in place then forget it, there is just too much bottom end weight.
Posted By: Stanton
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/23/14 06:27 PM
Just re-read your post and looked closely at your photos. You have the crossbars cranked up to the max - that's why the car is "top heavy". You have to lower the car with the threaded rods at each end.
You use the threaded rods to adjust "balance" ONLY. The working height is adjusted using the hydraulic jacks and the pivot heights at each end MUST be the same. When adjusting working height, imagine the car spun on its side ... the pivot height will be the driveshaft tunnel height.
Posted By: AAR#2
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/23/14 06:40 PM
Your fine mounted in the manner you show, did mine to the same locations without issue, though my mounting was a bit different in the structure.
The real choice you face is limitation of mounting position;
As shown, you'll need to touch up paint if you leave it on the jig, but it's horribly convenient when mounting your pre-assembled rear axle/spring combo and checking fitment of the rear valance.
Mounting to the spring perch makes for better paint access but makes for a pain while trying to remove and reinstall rear axle/spring combo. This location also eliminates you from checking the fitment of the rear valance unless you intend to temporarily take it off the jig.
As for balancing, use the whirly jig instructions, the base concept is that as the car is raised relative to the rotation center point, a balance position will be realized. This location may change if you mount the car with anything on it (perhaps glass still in doors, front suspension components, ect, ect)
Working on the jig is a real saver, the benefits far out weigh the inconvenience of time to mount the car.
Whirly Jig recommends using round bar stock running the length of the system in each of the lower outboard positions, for several reasons I chose instead to use square tube steel sections with an oversized coupling in the center to join the lengths, this now gives me better flexibility to have correct length tubing runs based on the cars actual length with minimal excess tubing protruding from beyond the jig. This approach also makes it easier to transport should you decide to move the jig less a car.
What I do is rent mine for minimal money, gets free storage and helps pay for itself. If I need it in the future it's available for reclaim, though I admit I rent only to trustworthy friends.
Good luck whatever you decide for mounting position and setup.
Posted By: carcrazyguy
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/23/14 08:29 PM
Okay. This morning we rewatched the video. We did as mentioned above and raised the yoke. That got us balanced!! Now we are trying to decide how to brace the back to the frame rail or leaf spring hanger. If we use a leaf spring hanger the rubber bushing will flex. So.....
Posted By: carcrazyguy
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/23/14 08:38 PM
So anyone have good close up pics of ebody mounting? We were thinking of attaching an angle iron plate to the frame rail and the rear brace.
Posted By: FY1TA
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/23/14 08:59 PM
Whirley Jig sells the pieces you need . I made my own. It bolts where the bumper brace goes.
Posted By: AAR#2
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/23/14 09:12 PM
Heres a pic of how I set mine up, a bit unconventional by what many would do, note you can see the tube steel supports I spoke of below. . . . front is standard.
Posted By: Stanton
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/24/14 12:10 AM
Here are the front and rear e-body mounts I sell with my rotisseries. Rear uses the spring hanger. What you're doing is fine and shouldn't have needed any additional bracing (just more stuff you have to work around).
Posted By: carcrazyguy
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/24/14 12:36 AM
What type of bushing or fitting do you use in the eyelet the frame rail?
I think I will order US Car Tool subframe connectors tomorrow. Then tack them in place (multiple places), while the car is on jack stands. That way I should not have to worry about the body flexing when we roll it over on its side or top for the first time.
Posted By: Stanton
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/24/14 12:59 AM
bushings ... anything that will fit, even blocks of hardwood.
Posted By: Stanton
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/24/14 06:48 AM
Tack them on jack stands and finish welding on the rotisserie. Overhead welding is not for the faint of heart!
Posted By: carcrazyguy
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 11/27/14 02:25 AM
The owners manual calls for ROUND (not square) 2" ID black water pipe. We chose to get galvanized so that it would not rust. Cheap.....not exactly! 42 feet was $126. Schedule 40 is pretty thick and it is pretty heavy.
Posted By: 6PKRTSE
Re: Need a rotisserie....have questions. - 12/03/14 10:12 PM
I have had two. I built my first one & now have another second one. A little tip, label all of the connections while it is together. makes it nice & easy to put back together the next time.