Posted By: Mr D21
Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 04:15 AM
Is my vapor separator my fuel filter? Do you OE guys run a hidden one somewhere ?
Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ?
Posted By: A12
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 04:46 AM
the one I use or know of to come standard is NOT a fuel filter, no filter element inside that I'm aware of on a '69 440
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 04:48 AM
The vapor separator is not a fuel filter.
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 02:03 PM
Yes it is a filter, I use them as filters on both my cars.
I don't remember seeing a filter anywhere else on a 440 6 pack motor. I do remember seeing filters on a hemi, not sure about a hemi with a fuel pump mounted vapor separator?
Good question...
I don't remember seeing a filter anywhere else on a 440 6 pack motor. I do remember seeing filters on a hemi, not sure about a hemi with a fuel pump mounted vapor separator?
Good question...
Posted By: jlatessa
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 03:32 PM
X2, it has a flat screen/mesh between the halves, I had one apart
long ago...Joe
long ago...Joe
Posted By: 69hemibeep
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 03:36 PM
Its the only filter on my car. Wish there was room for another without cutting a line. 
Posted By: Dixie
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 04:16 PM
I snuck one in between the metal fuel line from the tank and fuel pump. Not that my car is perfect "OE" correct, but I am going for a stock appearance. It's hard to see underneath the engine.
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 04:18 PM
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I snuck one in between the metal fuel line from the tank and fuel pump. Not that my car is perfect "OE" correct, but I am going for a stock appearance. It's hard to see underneath the engine.
That will cause vapor lock on hot days. You should not have a filter before the fuel pump. Strainer yes, filter no.
Posted By: Dixie
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 04:28 PM
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I snuck one in between the metal fuel line from the tank and fuel pump. Not that my car is perfect "OE" correct, but I am going for a stock appearance. It's hard to see underneath the engine.
That will cause vapor lock on hot days. You should not have a filter before the fuel pump. Strainer yes, filter no.
Well, if it does, I'll know the culprit!!
Posted By: jt4406
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 06:01 PM
My six pack set up has 3 of these in the carb bowls....
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 07:45 PM
Posted By: A12
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 09:40 PM
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Yes it is a filter, I use them as filters on both my cars.
I don't remember seeing a filter anywhere else on a 440 6 pack motor. I do remember seeing filters on a hemi, not sure about a hemi with a fuel pump mounted vapor separator?
Good question...
so are ALL vapor separators fuel filters, I didn't think a MESH screen would filter fuel other than large chunks 
Oh and BTW which model, engine and year are we talking about anyway?
Posted By: Mr D21
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 10:10 PM
That's my point, I cant see the VS doing much to clean the fuel.
I was wondering if a filter before the pump hidden was a good idea - sounds like its not due to Vapor Lock potential.
70 Challenger - 440 / Carter
I was wondering if a filter before the pump hidden was a good idea - sounds like its not due to Vapor Lock potential.
70 Challenger - 440 / Carter
Posted By: RSNOMO
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 11:14 PM
A 'vapor separator' is not a 'fuel filter'...
I run the proper 'filter' in-line on a '71 B-body...
No 'Vapor' issues...
I run the proper 'filter' in-line on a '71 B-body...
No 'Vapor' issues...
Posted By: 71birdJ68
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/25/14 11:56 PM
If memory serves me, 70, and 71 the VS was a 440/ Hemi thing, and did not get a separate filter. The service manual shows whats what, and which engine gets what.
Posted By: MoparJunkie
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 12:15 AM
The service manual for 1970 Challenger shows a breakdown of the separator and they do call the screen a filter screen inside the vapor separator. And... 440's and Hemi's did get just a vapor separator. No inline filter from the factory other than the vapor separator's filtering capabilities. 
Posted By: moparfan53
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 12:34 AM
Yes, the separator was designed to be a fuel filter also. However some of the repros had wrong size or no orifices. Does anyone know if they have the correct filter screen?
Here is the complete info from the '70 FSM in case anyone wants to read the explanation/description. It also says how to check for a plugged filter screen.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 02:09 AM
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My six pack set up has 3 of these in the carb bowls....
Mine has those too. They are the filters. Don't the Carter carbs have something similar in the carb inlet?
Posted By: RealWing
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 04:29 AM
There are some bogus repro separators out there. I got one and could not figure out why the car would not start. Found that there was no orifice restriction in the return line and the fuel was going straight back to the tank and none going to the carbs
I cut it open to look inside. Surprise!! It was simply 3 tubes stuck into the can and there was no filter screen at all.
I cut it open to look inside. Surprise!! It was simply 3 tubes stuck into the can and there was no filter screen at all.
Posted By: RealWing
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 04:30 AM
Photo of the other end
Posted By: RealWing
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 04:37 AM
This is also a repro, but is correctly manufactured. Note markings on the can. The bogus one had no markings.
Posted By: RealWing
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 04:37 AM
other end.
The return line was not orificed correctly. I soldered it closed and drilled a 0.040" hole- somewhat smaller than the factory size of approx. 0.060"
The return line was not orificed correctly. I soldered it closed and drilled a 0.040" hole- somewhat smaller than the factory size of approx. 0.060"
Posted By: A12
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 04:39 AM
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There are some bogus repro separators out there. I got one and could not figure out why the car would not start. Found that there was no orifice restriction in the return line and the fuel was going straight back to the tank and none going to the carbs
I cut it open to look inside. Surprise!! It was simply 3 tubes stuck into the can and there was no filter screen at all.
I see it IS a filter....just look at all of the metal shavings it captured
Posted By: RSNOMO
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 05:04 AM
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I see it IS a filter
Imagine...
An incorrectly reproduced, reproduction part...
Posted By: kidmopar
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 05:42 AM
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This is also a repro, but is correctly manufactured. Note markings on the can. The bogus one had no markings.
So ..... Who makes the better / best reproduction Vapor Separator vs the "junk" ones ?
Posted By: RealWing
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 07:09 PM
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This is also a repro, but is correctly manufactured. Note markings on the can. The bogus one had no markings.
So ..... Who makes the better / best reproduction Vapor Separator vs the "junk" ones ?
I got mine from Bill Allphin at the time. I suspect Bill Rolik will have the correct ones.
Posted By: mickm
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 08:05 PM
as far as being a filter, i ran just the vapor separator for years. i had the tops of the carbs off many times playing with jetting, and never once did i see any contamination in the bowls.
that doesn't mean there wasn't any, but i would assume if it wasn't doing it's job as a filter, at least to some degree, i would have seen some evidence of crud in the bowls.
that doesn't mean there wasn't any, but i would assume if it wasn't doing it's job as a filter, at least to some degree, i would have seen some evidence of crud in the bowls.
Posted By: Dixie
Re: Is my vapor separator my fuel filter ? - 03/26/14 08:46 PM
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This is also a repro, but is correctly manufactured. Note markings on the can. The bogus one had no markings.
So ..... Who makes the better / best reproduction Vapor Separator vs the "junk" ones ?
I got mine from Bill Allphin at the time. I suspect Bill Rolik will have the correct ones.
We carry them as well, although I am out of stock at the moment. Should have some soon.