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life with an A12 hood?

Posted By: Hank

life with an A12 hood? - 03/05/14 05:54 PM

Hey A12 owners. Simple question: is living with an A12 hood a complete pain in the butt? Seems like anything from a oil change to a simple roadside repair would be complicated. And if you had to get to a problem under the hood quickly…? How do you deal with it?
Posted By: Silver70

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/05/14 06:50 PM

Well my car wasn't an a12, but had the hood and to me it was good and bad at times... not fun to remove the hood to check oil or something simple. However it was really nice at other times to not have a hood to hit my head on or hinges to avoid.
Posted By: Kidsixpack

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/05/14 07:01 PM

I've owned my Bee for 21 years and have put a little over 32,000 miles on it. Yes the Hood is a pain in the azz. When you are planning to wrench it's not an issue, but all those little things like checking the oil or searching for an odd sound make it an issue. I very rarely remove the hood at cruise nights or small car shows. It's the most functional ram air system you can get! My sig. pic is prior to my 2005 resto.
KID

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Posted By: A12

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/05/14 08:37 PM

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Hey A12 owners. Simple question: is living with an A12 hood a complete pain in the butt? Seems like anything from a oil change to a simple roadside repair would be complicated. And if you had to get to a problem under the hood quickly…? How do you deal with it?




Rob, good question but for the most part there were two main reasons the A12's got a hood with no hood hinges....and it was all a result of a personal reason by engineer Dick Maxwell and his engineering buddies. There's rumor, folklore or whatever you want to term it that there was a rush to production for '69 when the 440+6 was really supposed to be a 1970 model year car and not a '69-1/2 "package". Rumor had it that the test mule 440 6bbl GTX was spotted at a Woodward hangout by some GM people in the Fall of '68. So in order to get the 3x2 440 out there they scrambled for parts and that meant getting a non-inhouse company to make an intake manifold (Edelbrock) and a hood that would feed more air than the '69 hood. The situation with the Edelbrock 3x2 ALUMINUM manifold bears out as to this day it is considered a better intake than the '70+ cast iron (some will say not but who is making a CAST IRON intake that anyone is BUYING ). Being better and not using it for '70+ models was because Chrysler only needed a temporay supply for '69-1/2 production. The LOH on the '69 A12's is the only mass PRODUCTION car that I know of that didn't have hood hinges or a way of mechanically (cable, lever, etc) or by vacuum closing off the outside fresh air access.

So the rush to production for mid year '69 had a lot to do with the A12 "package" and the second or best reason was that Dick Maxwell told me "Mike this was the last BADAZZ street car we were ever going to be able to build". And what better thing to do for a race car but to have a light weight fiberglass hood that could be lifted off and moved out of the way to tune between runs and to cool down the engine as best as possible. The hood was for a purpose or purposes; tuning, cooling, weight savings, ram air. Note that the scoop opening is above the hood surface as the intake air into the scoop moves faster than the "boundry layer" air close to the hood's surface.

It was a race inspired hood that somehow got into production and Dick Maxwell and another two engineers even "hosed down" the hood with GARDEN HOSES to prove to upper management that the A12 could survive and not shut down in a heavy rain or down pour That is right from Dick Maxwell

For the few that suffered and still suffer many took advantage of the LIFT-OFF-RACE-HOOD on the LAST BADAZS STREET CAR and the poster child of the musclecar era

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Posted By: Hank

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/05/14 08:39 PM

Great info guys. How much does the hood weigh and what is the technique for one person to remove it?
Posted By: Stewpar

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/05/14 08:40 PM

Removing the hood by yourself is relatively easy, unless it's windy! Grab it inside the scoop next to the center support and put your hip into the front center, lift up and away you go. I have never had any issues on my own. What you do gain is the ease of working on the engine bay w/o worrying about hitting you head on the hood!!!
Posted By: 6PKRTSE

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/05/14 09:44 PM

I made clear 1" dia. stanchions with hood pins to set the hood on whenever I needed to work on it. helped alot by not finding a place to set the hood or scratch it across the roof.

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Posted By: HPMike

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/05/14 10:05 PM

Whatever small issues there are its worth it...Coolest option ever..

Anyway...

Taller guys have an advantage ..Im short so it is a bit of a PITA, I dont own an A12 but have worked on dozens of them...One thing that every A12 owner should own is a folding tubular stand like the bodyshops use...Put some foam on it so it doesnt damage the hood...I dont like putting the hood on the roof...Ive heard of hoods falling down off the roof-yes, even with the vinyl top...



MB
Posted By: Stanton

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/05/14 11:29 PM

When the hood is off, wind is your worst enemy. I don't own an A12 but I did have a 'glass liftoff hood and I usually sat it flat on the ground for just that reason. I had hood pins mounted to my shop wall so I could hang the hood when I was working on the car.
Posted By: AZ_A12_BEE

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 12:31 AM

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Removing the hood by yourself is relatively easy, unless it's windy! Grab it inside the scoop next to the center support and put your hip into the front center, lift up and away you go. I have never had any issues on my own. What you do gain is the ease of working on the engine bay w/o worrying about hitting you hear on the hood!!!




That's how I did it back in 1976 and I only weighed 110 pounds soaking wet
Posted By: pinkmeepmeep

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 03:17 AM

Call me, well... call me whatever you want, but I loved pulling the hood off of my a12 superbee. Liken it unto a ritual that few ever get to experience. It always initiated a conversation, and an opportunity to meet people. An avenue by which the minions could catch a glimpse of how truly unique and awesome these machines really are. An opportunity to enlighten the uneducated, and share in the beauty. We know all about these cars, and in some sense we can become almost desensitized, or callous as to just how over the top they are. Many people have never even seen or heard of one of these cars! It is exciting to be able to see that "light" come on in someone's eyes for the first time. I think of taking the hood off as an "event", an unveiling, so to speak. I remember pulling into a gas station and it was like, "showtime". I am a left handed artist, and musician so that's how I roll. That being said, I was always worried about wind, and concerned about damage occurring to the hood when it was off. For what its worth... Just one more opportunity to admire that sexy thing. If it weren't for 9/11, I would still have mine. God bless
Posted By: A12

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 03:33 AM

Posted By: A12

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 03:40 AM

Oh the stories those hoods could tell.....

My original A12 hood was supposedly victim of the "Oh $#!T I forgot to re-pin the hood" and run over by a Chevelle that was getting beat by the A12 (Gary Tsuperbee you have to back me on that one) and then there's the story of someone's wife driving the husband's A12 to the gas station back in the day when they pumped the gas, cleaned your windshield AND checked your oil.......yep pulled only the front two hood pin clips out and tried to open it with the rear two pins still in .

Okay we need some more...A12 sail hood stories
Posted By: *440-6BBL*

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 04:10 AM

Al Kirschenbaum with the first A12 Road Runner built ...testing for Cars Magazine...April 1969 - looks like he's got the right idea....


.....other than maybe he's thinking "Now where am I going to put it..?"

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Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 04:47 AM

It's not really much of a pain. I always get help putting it on the roof. In 40+ years, I only had to worry about the wind once at a car show. You don't need to take it off that often and you can always get help. Mine flew off my old black car twice. Once on the trailer on my way to the races. After I loaded it up, I disconnected the battery and walked around behind the trailer and forgot to put the pins in. It blew off about 800' down the road. It was 4 lanes and a car behind me stopped and moved it to the shoulder. I was lucky to realize it almost as soon as it happened. I had to walk back and get it and carry it myself about 800' and put it back on the car on the trailer! It only weighs about 37 lbs but that was tough duty to carry it that far on a 95 degree sunny day! It cost me $40 to get a friend to fix both corners and repaint it back gloss black. Nice to have such friends!
The second time was leaving the scales at Maple Grove after weighing in after winning a big race. I had to get in the engine compartment after I weighed it and the cars were lining up behind me. I took iff in a hurry and it flew up about 30' landed on the tip of my deck lid almost right above the trunk lock and ended up flat on the pavement behind me without hurting the hood! I did some paintless dent repair on the decklid before that technique became a craft. The car still had a ding on it that I couldn't get out when I sold the car in 1995. I would not trade my lift off hood for anything!

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Posted By: ns1aar

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 06:27 AM

I would put mine under the back of the car if the wind came up
Posted By: AlexP

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 06:52 AM

Not a real A12, but I've had mine for years on a street car with no issues. Just learn to find a good spot on the ground.
Posted By: dobie

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 11:11 AM

My car obviously isnt an A12 car..('68 RR), but I've had a lift off hood since Ive ben driving it.

Its a pain in the butt for routine things, like checking oil, connecting battery cables, and even in the garage since my space is limited. Over the last couple of years Ive been fighting a wiring issue as well. After shutting it off, sometimes the car has no power at all, anywhere, and I have to jiggle the bulkhead wiring to make the connection. At a gas station, finding a place for the hood can be a pain.

With all of that however, Im still very happy with my set up. These fiberglass hoods are fairly lightweight and its relatively easy for me to remove/replace by myself. On the occasions when Im actually working on something, its fantastic to be able to have an unobstructed work area underneath the "hood."

Oh, and I agree that its just plain "badazz" having that huge, functional scoop that looks so cool. It's definitely something that drew me into this hobby.

Posted By: HPMike

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 05:01 PM

Eh...if you have ever gotten your skull impaled on the typical E/B body secondary hood catch hook, then you will be thankful you have a liftoff...

MB
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 05:21 PM

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Eh...if you have ever gotten your skull impaled on the typical E/B body secondary hood catch hook, then you will be thankful you have a liftoff...

MB




Ha! I just sold my A12 Bee and now have a '70 Bee, and wouldn't you know it, I have just about drawn blood twice already with that @#%&*@ meat hook on the hood!!!
Posted By: Alaska_A12

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/06/14 08:11 PM

I never got tired of the looks at shows or even out on the road at a gas station when I lifted that hood off.
Posted By: moparcanuk

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/07/14 07:37 PM

They make a repop with hinges. I assume it's made of steel.
Posted By: A12

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/07/14 08:03 PM

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They make a repop with hinges. I assume it's made of steel.




No it's made of fiberglass with the hood hinge thread hardware holes in the same place as a standard hood. The place in Florida (Cocoa area) makes an A12 style hood but without the underside "airbox".
Posted By: A12

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/07/14 08:08 PM

Found it AAR in Florida https://www.aarqualityfiberglass.com/products/road-runner-six-pack-hood-1968-69-bolt

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Posted By: hotairballoonpilot

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/07/14 08:45 PM

Problems checking the oil or general repairs? You mean these cars are driven? No they can't be!

Personally I have a lift off hood on my 72 duster. I enjoy it. It was always fun at car shows to take it off. The wind issues SUCK! I didn't have mine pinned on the car one day. Pulled it out of the shed to clean the shed. Not thinking it was windy out of the south car facing south. Yeah it went flying! Should add mines only weighs I bet 15-20 pounds. Really thin and light. Let's just say it was still one piece just had a few good battle marks on it.

As far as having an actual a12 car. I'd love it and drive it!
Posted By: 69_SIX_PACK

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/08/14 03:53 AM

Look at these two jokers...

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Posted By: Kidsixpack

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/08/14 04:21 AM

I guess I'm the only one that finds it an issue because I think I'm the only one that drives it! Someone above mentioned what a novilty the hood is to people that aren't into A12's. I tend to forget that I guess because it's always been driven a lot for what it is.
KID
Posted By: Matt M

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/08/14 04:50 AM

When I owned my A12 RR I heard quite a few times
I really like your car, what did the factory hood look like, or nice car but why did you paint the hood black and put that big scoop on it.
Posted By: A12

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/08/14 05:30 AM

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When I owned my A12 RR I heard quite a few times
I really like your car, what did the factory hood look like, or nice car but why did you paint the hood black and put that big scoop on it.




And the classic "I wonder why the owner didn't paint the hood?" or "When are you going to paint the hood?"
Posted By: badsixpack

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/08/14 05:23 PM

like mike said you need a stand to lay the hood on when your working on the car alone. I always thought of rigging something up in my garage I could just hang the hood on so it wouldn't take up so much room in the garage but I never got around to it. But not really a problem to me.
Posted By: 4406RAY

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/09/14 06:00 AM

I was at a car show once, had my hood up on my props, and was asked by a lady if I could drive it with the hood up like that? ( She was serious )
I said yea only once.
She walked away with a confused look on her face.
Ray

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Posted By: A12

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/09/14 09:49 AM

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I was at a car show once, had my hood up on my props, and was asked by a lady if I could drive it with the hood up like that? ( She was serious )
I said yea only once.
She walked away with a confused look on her face.
Ray






I'm working with four power antenna motors right now........I'll let you know
Posted By: gtsuperbee

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/09/14 08:17 PM

I have mixed emotions with the lift off hood. It is cool..but it is a pain. The biggest scratch in my car came when I was pulling into the Nats in '96 and my car went up in flames. I jumped out, pulled all 4 pins, and tossed the hood into the grass right there in front of the place. In my haste, I scratched the top of the passenger side fender. I left the scratch as a reminder that it could have been worse. The next few chips in the paint happened when I twisted my car beating on it and blew the window out. But that's a story for another day And yes, I will back Mike (A12) on the story of his hood.
Posted By: Kidsixpack

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/09/14 10:30 PM

I drilled my poles so that I can pin them in place.
KID
Posted By: A12

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/10/14 12:35 AM

I'm pretty sure it can be said that the A12 Lift-Of-Hood is by far the BEST PERFORMANCE FRESH AIR INTAKE HOOD EVER TO BE PUT ON ANY PRODUCTION CAR IN HISTORY!! (Production meaning more than 500 assembly line built cars by a major manufacture ). The hood scoop design is found on lots and lots of race cars to this day and it is probably the most copied and used scoop design out there..............................BUT as a practical design with not having it hinged well that makes that a PIA.....so it is the lack of hinges that is the biggest negative and the fact that you cannot change from outside fresh air to a protected air source that gives it two thumbs down

The AAR and T/A hoods are great example of the perfect A12 hood.....but who wants an E-body with 3x2's and a small block
Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/10/14 12:38 AM

My A12 hood had the opening's center support broken from lifting it with the scoop.

I don't have any numbers to back this, compared to 383/Hemi RRs and SBs, it seems A12's were ordered with a greater % of vinyl tops. Maybe ordered with the fore-thought for a place to set the hood without scratching paint?
Posted By: A12

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/10/14 12:41 AM

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I'm pretty sure it can be said that the A12 Lift-Of-Hood is by far the BEST PERFORMANCE FRESH AIR INTAKE HOOD EVER TO BE PUT ON ANY PRODUCTION CAR IN HISTORY!! (Production meaning more than 500 assembly line built cars by a major manufacture ). The hood scoop design is found on lots and lots of race cars to this day and it is probably the most copied and used scoop design out there..............................BUT as a practical design with not having it hinged well that makes that a PIA.....so it is the lack of hinges that is the biggest negative and the fact that you cannot change from outside fresh air to a protected air source that gives it two thumbs down

The AAR and T/A hoods are great example of the perfect A12 hood.....but who wants an E-body with 3x2's and a small block





Oh and I forgot about the AM radio interference from the lack of shielding by the A12 fiberglass hood that was also a source of complaints by owners...............and once again the AAR's and T/A's got the benefit of the A12 owners doing production testing for all of those little nuisances so they moved the AAR-T/A antennas to the rear.......the perfect A12 hood and antenna location for the hood too
Posted By: 68 HEMI GTS

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/10/14 04:26 AM

my car is not a real a12 but its got real a12 parts. hood can be a bear at a cruise in when your by yourself (usually try to recruit some help from a passer by to get it on the roof). i just use a paint stand like mentioned above when im at home. i have a lift off on my dart also, but its alot lighter and that car has a vinyl top so its never a issue to toss that one up on the roof by myself.

Posted By: L7VERT

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/10/14 05:46 PM

I've never owned one of these cars but the topic prompted this question; I've seen a lot of original hoods that have what appear to be stress cracks around the scoop center support.

I assume, if you're pulling the hood by yourself, the only logical place to pick it up is through the scoop opening. Do most of you find that this causes the center of the hood to deflect and ends up causing the cracks? Just curious.
Posted By: 68 HEMI GTS

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/10/14 05:50 PM

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I've never owned one of these cars but the topic prompted this question; I've seen a lot of original hoods that have what appear to be stress cracks around the scoop center support.

I assume, if you're pulling the hood by yourself, the only logical place to pick it up is through the scoop opening. Do most of you find that this causes the center of the hood to deflect and ends up causing the cracks? Just curious.




my hood was very broken and cracked when i got it. i added a little extra fiberglass in that area when i painted it.
Posted By: Kidsixpack

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/10/14 05:53 PM

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Quote:

I've never owned one of these cars but the topic prompted this question; I've seen a lot of original hoods that have what appear to be stress cracks around the scoop center support.

I assume, if you're pulling the hood by yourself, the only logical place to pick it up is through the scoop opening. Do most of you find that this causes the center of the hood to deflect and ends up causing the cracks? Just curious.




my hood was very broken and cracked when i got it. i added a little extra fiberglass in that area when i painted it.





yes this is common. It's cause from the air being sucked in as well as lifting the hood off from the top of the scoop. i always lift from the bottom of the scoop. I too reinforced the brace.
KID
Posted By: BeEtLeJuIcE !

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/10/14 05:59 PM

I probably fixed 30 of these back in the day. Just spot-weld up a wide H alum or steel piece and glass-it-in there.

And BACK THEN ...I could have traded maybe 20 of those for a lite-weight piece ....using those OEM hoods as a 1/3 credit or so.

Posted By: KillerBee

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/10/14 06:07 PM

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The AAR and T/A hoods are great example of the perfect A12 hood.....but who wants an E-body with 3x2's and a small block




A few N94 equipped big block Challengers came with T/A hoods from the factory.

Posted By: john55

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/10/14 11:09 PM

Posted By: belv2vert66

Re: life with an A12 hood? - 03/11/14 06:40 PM

I have only owned mine for a few weeks but it is kind of a pain. So far the pleasure from owning it has out weighed that.

And bonus ! No expensive hard to restore accurately with proper plating hood latch to pay for !
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