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Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ???

Posted By: xs29j8

Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 01:37 AM

Need help understanding date codes of "12JB" from a pair of manifolds said to be taken off a Hemi `Cuda that had less than 10 miles on the odometer when the car was converted to a race car in Mustang, Oklahoma. I thought the format was month, day, year "mddy", like B159 would be November 15, 1969... but that doesn't work in this case.

Thanks for any guidance...

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Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 01:39 AM

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Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 01:40 AM

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 01:46 AM

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Wow Allen, those are some cream puffs........
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 02:13 AM

What are the manifold casting numbers?
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 02:29 AM

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What are the manifold casting numbers?




2780508 RH Side

3418453 LH Side

See pictures in 4-View picture in original post

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 02:34 AM

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I thought the format was month, day, year "mddy", like B159 would be November 15, 1969... but that doesn't work in this case.






Why doesn't this work in this case?
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 02:49 AM

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I thought the format was month, day, year "mddy", like B159 would be November 15, 1969... but that doesn't work in this case.






Why doesn't this work in this case?




Month - 1 = January
Day - 2J = ????, wouldn't January 2nd be "02" ???
Year - B = ????, expecting "9" or "0"

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Posted By: srt

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 04:18 AM

Scott, similar to the format I sent you pics of in the past
3DB and 6JB
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 02:44 PM

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Scott, similar to the format I sent you pics of in the past
3DB and 6JB




Hemi exhaust manifold date coding varied over the years... a few examples from my assortment:

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Posted By: JRepucci

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 03:06 PM

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Scott, similar to the format I sent you pics of in the past
3DB and 6JB




Hemi exhaust manifold date coding varied over the years... a few examples from my assortment:




The top right manifold looks like it is 11 17 5; wow, that is early.
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 03:41 PM

The manifold is part of two sets of Hemi exhaust manifolds that I bought from the family of Floyd "Pappy" Cline who owned the red 4 door Hemi Coronet in Wichita, Kansas. The Coronet was parked in the driveway without the engine or transmission, and I made several attempts to buy it... but we couldn't agree on a price. The two pair of Hemi exhaust manifolds were priced to sell though... $150 bought both pair! I believe that one of the sets that I bought from the Cline family in the mid 1980s was the original set from the red 4 Dr Hemi Coronet.

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Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 03:42 PM

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The manifold is part of two sets of Hemi exhaust manifolds that I bought from the family of Floyd "Pappy" Cline who owned the red 4 door Hemi Coronet in Wichita, Kansas. The Coronet was parked in the driveway without the engine or transmission, and I made several attempts to buy it... but we couldn't agree on a price. The two pair of Hemi exhaust manifolds were priced to sell though... $150 bought both pair! I believe that one of the sets that I bought from the Cline family in the mid 1980s was the original set from the red 4 Dr Hemi Coronet.



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Posted By: JRepucci

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/06/13 07:09 PM

Interesting note. It is my findings that 70 and 71 hemi RH manifolds have these casting dimples... 66-69 do not. This is how you can tell the vintage of the RH manifold without seeing the casting date. The part number changed for 71 but the casting number remained the same.

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Posted By: hemi70se

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/11/13 12:00 AM

Jason,
There is a better easier way to tell early vintage from later vintage. If you look at the pic you posted of your later manifold you will see it has the revised casting where the manifold ports meet the head (they are more smoothed) This was started in 1969. Allen's pic of his RH manifold has the "step" at the ports where the manifold meets the head. (pic right above yours)

As a side note: all the repro manifolds have the stepped ports since they were modeled after early manifolds. Which is really funny when they cast the 34xxxxx Ebody style part # into it

Allen, Can you post close up pics of the ports?
Posted By: JRepucci

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/11/13 12:34 AM

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Jason,
There is a better easier way to tell early vintage from later vintage. If you look at the pic you posted of your later manifold you will see it has the revised casting where the manifold ports meet the head (they are more smoothed) This was started in 1969. Allen's pic of his RH manifold has the "step" at the ports where the manifold meets the head.




That's another detail that I have noticed as well but I don't think you can see that from the top looking down into the engine compartment... There are a couple of "restored" 70-1 hemi cars that don't have the correct manifolds.
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/11/13 03:06 AM

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Jason,
There is a better easier way to tell early vintage from later vintage. If you look at the pic you posted of your later manifold you will see it has the revised casting where the manifold ports meet the head (they are more smoothed) This was started in 1969. Allen's pic of his RH manifold has the "step" at the ports where the manifold meets the head. (pic right above yours)

As a side note: all the repro manifolds have the stepped ports since they were modeled after early manifolds. Which is really funny when they cast the 34xxxxx Ebody style part # into it

Allen, Can you post close up pics of the ports?




Which RH manifold do you want close-up pics of? Here are a few of the "12JB" manifolds... anyone willing to help on the date code?

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Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/11/13 03:08 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Jason,
There is a better easier way to tell early vintage from later vintage. If you look at the pic you posted of your later manifold you will see it has the revised casting where the manifold ports meet the head (they are more smoothed) This was started in 1969. Allen's pic of his RH manifold has the "step" at the ports where the manifold meets the head. (pic right above yours)

As a side note: all the repro manifolds have the stepped ports since they were modeled after early manifolds. Which is really funny when they cast the 34xxxxx Ebody style part # into it

Allen, Can you post close up pics of the ports?




Which RH manifold do you want close-up pics of? Here are a few of the "12JB" manifolds... anyone willing to help on the date code?




Another RH side view...

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Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/11/13 03:10 AM

LH side...

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Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/11/13 03:11 AM

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LH side...




Another...

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Posted By: JRepucci

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/11/13 03:32 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Jason,
There is a better easier way to tell early vintage from later vintage. If you look at the pic you posted of your later manifold you will see it has the revised casting where the manifold ports meet the head (they are more smoothed) This was started in 1969. Allen's pic of his RH manifold has the "step" at the ports where the manifold meets the head. (pic right above yours)

As a side note: all the repro manifolds have the stepped ports since they were modeled after early manifolds. Which is really funny when they cast the 34xxxxx Ebody style part # into it

Allen, Can you post close up pics of the ports?




Which RH manifold do you want close-up pics of? Here are a few of the "12JB" manifolds... anyone willing to help on the date code?




I don't know what to tell you about those dates. But here is a 10-69 manifold with the more usual dating style.

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Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/11/13 04:21 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Jason,
There is a better easier way to tell early vintage from later vintage. If you look at the pic you posted of your later manifold you will see it has the revised casting where the manifold ports meet the head (they are more smoothed) This was started in 1969. Allen's pic of his RH manifold has the "step" at the ports where the manifold meets the head. (pic right above yours)

As a side note: all the repro manifolds have the stepped ports since they were modeled after early manifolds. Which is really funny when they cast the 34xxxxx Ebody style part # into it

Allen, Can you post close up pics of the ports?




Which RH manifold do you want close-up pics of? Here are a few of the "12JB" manifolds... anyone willing to help on the date code?




I don't know what to tell you about those dates. But here is a 10-69 manifold with the more usual dating style.




Here is a thread about a 12JB/20JB pair:

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=92783.0

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Posted By: hemi70se

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/12/13 07:40 AM

Allen,
Unfortunately that one close up pic you showed of the flange is so surface rusty I can't say which style it is. Need some better pics
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 12/12/13 05:09 PM

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Allen,
Unfortunately that one close up pic you showed of the flange is so surface rusty I can't say which style it is. Need some better pics




Will do... The ice storm has prevented me from getting out to the shop the manifolds are in, but I expect I can get some more pictures this weekend...
Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 02/02/14 06:37 PM

... ... Any help would very much be appreciated... If you don't want to post the info, please PM me or email xs29j8@charter.net ... Thanks, Allen
Posted By: fjmg

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 02/02/14 08:41 PM

I would also like to know.

I have a 2780501 with 12JA and another with 1 2 7
Also a 2780508 with 14LA
Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 02/03/14 04:06 AM

I have a set that came off an early production 1970 Hemi Roadrunner (delivered about December 20, 1969). Here are the casting numbers from those.

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Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 02/03/14 04:07 AM

Other one, sorry for the crappy picture.

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Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 02/03/14 05:05 AM

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I have a set that came off an early production 1970 Hemi Roadrunner (delivered about December 20, 1969). Here are the casting numbers from those.




Thanks for the contributions guys, we might get this figured out if we get enough data points... On this one, the date code might read

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Posted By: xs29j8

Re: Hemi Exhaust Manifolds Date Code "12JB"... ??? - 02/03/14 05:40 AM

Just speculating...

Could the first two digits be the day of the month, the next character a letter representing the month, and the final letter the year starting with 1969...


12JB = 12th day of September 1970
20JB = 20th day of September 1970
12JA = 12th day of September 1969
14LA = 14th day of November 1969
19FB = 19th day of June 1970
27MA = 27th day of December 1969
5MA = 5th day of December 1969

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