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1971 GTX louver ?

Posted By: 70440+6bbl

1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 04:42 AM

While out at the Spring Fling show, I picked up a '71 GTX that is coded J68 for rear window louvers on the broadcast sheet and fender tag, but they are not listed on the window sticker (original). The car was built in Los Angeles. I didn't notice any holes drilled into the roof or Dutchman panel, but I'll go over it better when it arrives here in NY. I'm wondering if they weren't put on, or if the car was mis-coded? The fellow that I bought it from had no idea that it was coded for them.
Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 07:47 AM

Around 30 came with louvers, making it a rare one...

You get the paint off the roof, you'll know...
Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 03:13 PM

Welcome to an exclusive club.I have a J68 Road Runner.Ck the vin numbers against the numbers in the different locations around the car.Just to make sure its what it says it is.There are only four holes that mount the louvers,two on each side..Look in the trunk.Those louvers are $1,500 and only one person makes them,when you can get them.If you want to call me I might be able to help you figure it out.PM me.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 04:16 PM

In the most basic sense, why/how would any option be listed on the build sheet and fender tag BUT NOT on the original window sticker.

And this option is very uncommon and they obviously installed very few of them on the assembly lines.

And then you have an assembly plant that built the least proportion of 71 Plymouth B-bodies.

Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 05:14 PM

Nice score, what color is it?

I'll have to look through my database this evening to see if I have any other LA built louver cars. It's possible LA didn't code that on the tag (although I would be surprised if they didn't).
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 05:28 PM

It is GW3 Sno White. All of the body #'s match (no rebody). The car was painted blue years ago, by the original owner, the fellow I just bough it from went with a mad max all blackout theme I should have it here in 10 days or so, then I can dig deeper and see if there are holes.

Sharp car when new, white with black interior and stripe, 15x7 ralleys (all four are original along with the 450 steel spare and tire), tach, louvers, tuff wheel and Super Track Pak.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 05:28 PM

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Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 05:29 PM

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Nice score, what color is it?

I'll have to look through my database this evening to see if I have any other LA built louver cars. It's possible LA didn't code that on the tag (although I would be surprised if they didn't).



Eric, the code is on the tag and broadcast sheet, it is not on the window sticker.
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 05:37 PM

Docs




Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 05:50 PM

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Nice score, what color is it?

I'll have to look through my database this evening to see if I have any other LA built louver cars. It's possible LA didn't code that on the tag (although I would be surprised if they didn't).



Eric, the code is on the tag and broadcast sheet, it is not on the window sticker.



DOH, I mis-read your original post. That's a cool car....STP 4spd and louvers! The louvers would be black on a GW3 car and it has the required mirror option for the louvers. Not sure about the window sticker omission, as they would have been an extra cost option.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 06:00 PM



This document you have looks like a mis type for Six Pack 71 GTX. It has the same sequence number.

But why is it Hart C-P in Fullerton (not too far from Comptom)?

Dealer trade?

Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 06:06 PM

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This document you have is for a Six Pack 71 GTX. Not the car you just bought.





Typo. There can not be two VINs with the same six numbers from the same plant in the same model year.

It looks like it was passed from one dealership to another to sell, the locations & dealership names are different.

I have seen cases where the new dealership typed up a new window sticker to reflect the right dealership data before, so that may be what happened here?
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 06:21 PM

Yes, just a typo (I wish it was a 6bbl car;-). The SPD is 911 and the sheet lists it as being a sold car. Maybe the original buyer backed out of the deal? It sat for quite some time, until the new owner took delivery July 29th, 1971.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 06:24 PM

I have an old Riverside Raceway program that shows

Hart - Fullerton
11520 West Olympic Blvd.
West Los Angeles.
GR. 8-9804 <-telephone number

They commonly sponsored Richard Petty in the early-mid 60's when he came out here and ran the Riverside 500 Nascar races.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 06:33 PM

Sold car indicates that a deposit was placed at time of order. This was often done by dealerships ordering their own stock, they may not have had a customer lined up for it.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 08:05 PM

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This document you have is for a Six Pack 71 GTX. Not the car you just bought.





Typo. There can not be two VINs with the same six numbers from the same plant in the same model year.

It looks like it was passed from one dealership to another to sell, the locations & dealership names are different.

I have seen cases where the new dealership typed up a new window sticker to reflect the right dealership data before, so that may be what happened here?



So was it sold at Hart Fullerton or Moothart ??
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 10:39 PM

There is an early '71 GTX - GW3 440 4bbl 4-speed 4.10 car here in Vegas (no louvers, though). Anyone have the 4-speed/4.10 numbers?

The window sticker has a blank line one after the location louvers should've been listed. Does the total at the bottom ad up to the correct amount?

Was the car at the "fling"? I didn't see it anyone got a pic?
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 10:49 PM

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So was it sold at Hart Fullerton or Moothart ??



It appears to have been originally ordered by & shipped (Sept. '70) to Moothart (used as a demo/salesman's loaner/owner's - wife - son's driver??), then sold 10 months latter (July '71) from Hart Fullerton (as a discounted never registered new car with miles??). Maybe with a 440+6bbl but without the louvers?

A friend just sold a set of original (old stash) black louvers - from CA.
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 10:52 PM

Hey Dan, sorry I missed you while out there! I would have given you copies of the docs. Yup, I found it parked on the street right outside the gate Saturday morning at 0700. Bought and paid for by 1200. The total came out to $4,554.35.
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 10:59 PM

James
Unfortunately, I do not have any other original window stickers for 71 B louver cars. Still, I have to think this was a printing mistake. I look forward to seeing more photos of the car when it arrives!
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 11:03 PM

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There is an early '71 GTX - GW3 440 4bbl 4-speed 4.10 car here in Vegas (no louvers, though). Anyone have the 4-speed/4.10 numbers?

The window sticker has a blank line one after the location louvers should've been listed. Does the total at the bottom ad up to the correct amount?

Was the car at the "fling"? I didn't see it anyone got a pic?



I can tell you 123 road runners and 187 GTXs came with the A34 option
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 11:25 PM

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187 GTXs came with the A34 option



That's all 3 engines & both transmissions?
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/13/13 11:32 PM

The total is correct w/o the louvers, but that doesn't rule out an error on the "window sticker".


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Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 12:49 AM

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There is an early '71 GTX - GW3 440 4bbl 4-speed 4.10 car here in Vegas (no louvers, though). Anyone have the 4-speed/4.10 numbers?

The window sticker has a blank line one after the location louvers should've been listed. Does the total at the bottom ad up to the correct amount?

Was the car at the "fling"? I didn't see it anyone got a pic?



Here it is sitting near the swap meet before I bought it. And yes, he painted the ralleys black right down to the lugnuts!

Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 01:55 AM

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There is an early '71 GTX - GW3 440 4bbl 4-speed 4.10 car here in Vegas (no louvers, though). Anyone have the 4-speed/4.10 numbers?

The window sticker has a blank line one after the location louvers should've been listed. Does the total at the bottom ad up to the correct amount?

Was the car at the "fling"? I didn't see it anyone got a pic?



Here it is sitting near the swap meet before I bought it. And yes, he painted the ralleys black right down to the lugnuts!





Wow..painted the trim rings too. Other than the ralleys I kind of like it.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 05:31 AM

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Here it is sitting near the swap meet before I bought it. And yes, he painted the ralleys black right down to the lugnuts!
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Did he just paint it with spray cans?

Wonder how long ago he did that. And how many cans of spray paint would he had to of use.



I mean, if you walk out of a store with that much spray paint...someone would think you are huffing them or something.
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 01:01 PM

Gives new meaning to "paint it black"

Cool car I'll have to keep my eye on this one
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 04:11 PM

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Here it is sitting near the swap meet before I bought it. And yes, he painted the ralleys black right down to the lugnuts!
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Did he just paint it with spray cans?

Wonder how long ago he did that. And how many cans of spray paint would he had to of use.



I mean, if you walk out of a store with that much spray paint...someone would think you are huffing them or something.



He actually paid a body shop to fill some dents and creases and then prime and paint it with hot rod black enamel...
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 04:14 PM

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Gives new meaning to "paint it black"

Cool car I'll have to keep my eye on this one



It sure does Tom. It would have been a great match to the TX9 4-spd N96 '71 GTX that Mike Nasi bought from me a few years ago!
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 05:52 PM

That was a good car, I wonder where it is these days
Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 06:29 PM

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the TX9 4-spd N96 '71 GTX that Mike Naci bought from me a few years ago!



Hemi???
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 07:08 PM

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That was a good car, I wonder where it is these days



I believe that a fellow in MI bought it from Mike ( he specializes in restoring '71-2 B's).
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 07:10 PM

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the TX9 4-spd N96 '71 GTX that Mike Naci bought from me a few years ago!



Hemi???



No, "just" a U-code car, but he wanted it it since it matched his hemicar.
Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/14/13 07:21 PM

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I believe that a fellow in MI bought it from Mike ( he specializes in restoring '71-2 B's



Probobibly RS...

If so, it's gone...
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 12:31 AM

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I believe that a fellow in MI bought it from Mike ( he specializes in restoring '71-2 B's



Probobibly RS...

If so, it's gone...



Last I heard Roy wasn't doing so well.
Posted By: mopars_1

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 12:43 AM

Great score James! I love gw3 on 71 b's!

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Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 12:50 AM

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Last I heard Roy wasn't doing so well.



He's been struggling...
Posted By: Big Mopar Jay

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 02:51 AM

Do me a favor Tait....Don't sell this one like the last one!! We need to go get it sideways and some smokey burnouts!! New Nats ride?
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 03:11 AM

James
As I look through my database, it might interest you to know Leon's old GY9 car (also a window louver LA car) is only about 20 #s away from your VIN.
Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 03:17 AM

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Leon's old GY9 car



Whatever happened to that one???
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 03:25 AM

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Leon's old GY9 car



Whatever happened to that one???



Last I saw (2011) it was in NJ
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 04:28 AM

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Great score James! I love gw3 on 71 b's!



Hey Kevin, Thanks, and I agree, GW3 looks great on them! I really hope you can enjoy your's some before you sell it
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 04:31 AM

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Do me a favor Tait....Don't sell this one like the last one!! We need to go get it sideways and some smokey burnouts!! New Nats ride?



That's the plan Jay! I had to let the Swinger go to get this one... So, I plan on driving the tires off of the X. Not to sure about the Nats this year, I may take a year off (22 year straight is a lonnng time!).
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 04:32 AM

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James
As I look through my database, it might interest you to know Leon's old GY9 car (also a window louver LA car) is only about 20 #s away from your VIN.



That's pretty cool to know Eric. Was the SPD on that one 911 also? I'll have to dig that issue of MCG out of the attic.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 04:51 AM

RM23N1E105365 (911 - SPD) was also louver'd (spoiler'd & EV2 Road Runner) - was at Fall Fling 2011 - Steve got pics? I'm looking.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 05:15 AM

Here's RS23U1E105368 (911/J68) - isn't that the incorrect rear spoiler for a September '70 car? Is this "LEON's" car? The reproduction window sticker shows: Prince Chrysler-Plymouth Inglewood, CA.

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Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 05:48 AM

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Here's RS23U1E105368 (911/J68) - isn't that the incorrect rear spoiler for a September '70 car? Is this "LEON's" car? The reproduction window sticker shows: Prince Chrysler-Plymouth Inglewood, CA.



Yes. That is Leon's old GTX.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 05:53 AM

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RM23N1E105365 (911 - SPD) was also louver'd (spoiler'd & EV2 Road Runner) - was at Fall Fling 2011 - Steve got pics? I'm looking.



Don't have access to that harddrive for a couple days. Did it have louvers at Fall Fling?
Posted By: mopars_1

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 06:43 AM

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Great score James! I love gw3 on 71 b's!



Hey Kevin, Thanks, and I agree, GW3 looks great on them! I really hope you can enjoy your's some before you sell it



now that its getting closer to being done, I might wind up keeping it maybe trade it off for something really cool, who knows....
Posted By: EWJ

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 05:45 PM

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Do me a favor Tait....Don't sell this one like the last one!! We need to go get it sideways and some smokey burnouts!! New Nats ride?



That's the plan Jay!



I'm not holding my breath....
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 05:57 PM

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Do me a favor Tait....Don't sell this one like the last one!! We need to go get it sideways and some smokey burnouts!! New Nats ride?



That's the plan Jay!



I'm not holding my breath....



Ed, I didn't promise to never sell the GTX, just to get sideways with it Something else always comes along
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 10:34 PM

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James
As I look through my database, it might interest you to know Leon's old GY9 car (also a window louver LA car) is only about 20 #s away from your VIN.



That's pretty cool to know Eric. Was the SPD on that one 911 also? I'll have to dig that issue of MCG out of the attic.



I know the VIN on Leon's old car, but I've never seen the fender tag...not sure what the SPD is. The GY9 car Dan posted is Leon's. As I recall, the wing and front spoilers were not coded for the car.
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 10:36 PM

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RM23N1E105365 (911 - SPD) was also louver'd (spoiler'd & EV2 Road Runner) - was at Fall Fling 2011 - Steve got pics? I'm looking.



I do not have any info on this one....I'd love to see fender tag/BS pics
Posted By: A12

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/15/13 10:54 PM

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Do me a favor Tait....Don't sell this one like the last one!! We need to go get it sideways and some smokey burnouts!! New Nats ride?



That's the plan Jay!



I'm not holding my breath....



Ed, I didn't promise to never sell the GTX, just to get sideways with it Something else always comes along




Hey count me in as a 1971 GTX louver...I louve all model year GTX's.........oops just re-read the post title ...still louve GTX's regardless
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/17/13 08:05 AM

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RM23N1E105365 (911 - SPD) was also louver'd (spoiler'd & EV2 Road Runner) - was at Fall Fling 2011 - Steve got pics? I'm looking.



For some reason I didn't take a lot of pictures that show.

But, do you think it's the orange 71 behind this blue 68 RR at the 11:41 of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2DHl9Qdf8I

Closest thing I can find so far.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/17/13 08:23 AM

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RM23N1E105365 (911 - SPD) was also louver'd (spoiler'd & EV2 Road Runner) - was at Fall Fling 2011 - Steve got pics? I'm looking.



For some reason I didn't take a lot of pictures that show.

But, do you think it's the orange 71 behind this blue 68 RR at the 11:41 of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2DHl9Qdf8I

Closest thing I can find so far.



Looks like the same car at 11:10 from the other side. No louvers, but probably the same EV2/V4X Road Runner I have tag info from?
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/18/13 05:44 PM

Dan- so, with three 911 SPD '71 Plymouths with the J68 option built (that we know of), do you think it was intentional to do a "batch build"? Right there, 2 of the 30 GTXs optioned with louvers were scheduled to be built, pretty neat.
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/20/13 08:40 PM

These original louvers were on a '71 318 Charger that a buddy bought for parts a year ago. How close are the Dodge louvers to the Plymouths? This same parts car also had a '71 spoiler on the trunklid. Our guess is that the original owners found a RT or Super Bee parts car back in the '70's and mounted them on this car (one family owned car since new, not coded on any piece of documentation).

Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/20/13 08:56 PM

Plymouth...

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Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/20/13 09:01 PM

Dodge...

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Posted By: EL5 71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/20/13 11:40 PM

I've only viewed one set of 1971 Charger real deal factory installed louvers and noticed that the outer side pieces had the words EXPERIMENTAL molded into the undersides of them. They were removed from the car before the shell was sold and it was at a time back when I didn't have cell phone with a camera on it. lol All I could do was commit it to my memory as my friend sold them very quickly. This was around 1995 and I knew I should have forked over the $175 he wanted for them. GRRR! Has anyone ever seen this on a set before?
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/21/13 12:20 AM

If I recall correctly, the center section is the same part for Dodge and Plymouth with the outer ends being different.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/21/13 03:58 AM

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Dan- so, with three 911 SPD '71 Plymouths with the J68 option built (that we know of), do you think it was intentional to do a "batch build"? Right there, 2 of the 30 GTXs optioned with louvers were scheduled to be built, pretty neat.



WAG!! I think it's more of a case of the "southern California" Plymouth Dealer's association (or whatever they were) having a "new model introduction" meeting/show/etc. & the "SOLD" orders for these louver cars ending up at Plymouth HQ together.
All 3 have 04xxxx VONs.
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/28/13 05:44 PM

Well, I now have the X here with me. Here is a pic of the tag.

Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/28/13 05:52 PM

I crawled into the trunk and found these patched over holes on each lower window corners. I assume these are in the correct location for the factory louvers?

Left


right
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/28/13 07:34 PM

I've not had any first hand '71 louver experience, but it looks like the error is on the window sticker.
Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: 1971 GTX louver ? - 05/28/13 10:59 PM

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I've not had any first hand '71 louver experience, but it looks like the error is on the window sticker.



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