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Ideas for removing undercaoting.

Posted By: 440mag

Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/08/13 05:14 AM

Just had the car sand basted but it left most of the undercoating. Stuff is hard as rock. I was going to try heat and a scraper. Lots of heat like a propane torch. What has worked for you guys?
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/08/13 05:19 AM

If it's hard as a rock the blaster guy didn't try.. But that said a needle scaler is effective.. As is a serious steam cleaner..
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/08/13 05:36 AM

Steam cleaner hands down. Turn a hot burning week long messy job into a 3-4 hour aftenoon job with a 10 minute cleanup. EASY choice.
Posted By: Silver70

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/08/13 08:06 AM

I usually do the same, propane torch with a scraper, then blast any residue that's left. I'm sure there are easier ways, but for cost, a propane bottle is cheap... takes some time, but it's not hard work.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/08/13 03:55 PM

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Steam cleaner hands down. Turn a hot burning week long messy job into a 3-4 hour aftenoon job with a 10 minute cleanup. EASY choice.






But now he can't use water because his car is bare metal now and it will rust bad if it get's wet.


Always steam clean with a pressure washer before media blasting.


I do the whole car top and bottem long before media blasting to ensure a grease and oil free car before blasting and then it's ready for primer within minutes after blasting.

Even though I don't agree with silver70, it is too much senseless work for me to scrape it with a torch which damages the bottem of the car with scrape marks.

I think this might be the OP only choice now unless he primes all the bare metal and starts over with washer and then blast again which is really bad for his sheet metal because media blasting stresses the metal, imo.
Posted By: Silver70

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/08/13 06:11 PM

Problem for me is, when I do only do one that way every few years, it doesn't make sense for me to buy equipment I'll hardly use. Also it doesn't damage the metal or leave marks... it only takes a few seconds of heat and a thin scraper then won't dig into the metal... I'd have no problem doing it with an easier method, but I won't spend more $ than needed either.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/08/13 06:27 PM

You can rent a steam cleaner at most any rental yard for under $100.00 a day. I suggest the largest/most powerful model they have. What I like about the steam is it does ZERO damage to the original metal. It will also leave all the original paint,primer,inspection markings, etc. Unless you actually try to remove them.
Posted By: CDN72SE

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/08/13 06:44 PM

Did my 72 on my back in my garage with a scraper and torch from Home Depot, it's probably the only car I will ever be restoring so I have the patience to do this method and cheaper for me. A lot came off in decent size pieces so that was nice. For me cleanup was no big deal, didn't mind doing it.

Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/08/13 08:47 PM

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Did my 72 on my back in my garage with a scraper and torch from Home Depot, it's probably the only car I will ever be restoring so I have the patience to do this method and cheaper for me. A lot came off in decent size pieces so that was nice. For me cleanup was no big deal, didn't mind doing it.






On your back it would be impossible to use a steam cleaner, you would get burnt. Looks good .Check this out, couple hours and I had this. Not a speck of undercoating left anywhere and leaving all paint in place.




Maybe the OP should leave the undercoaing there and add to it??
Posted By: dobie

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/08/13 09:02 PM

I used a little torch and a scraper for my RR. What a pain.
Posted By: Silver70

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 05/09/13 02:44 AM

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You can rent a steam cleaner at most any rental yard for under $100.00 a day. I suggest the largest/most powerful model they have. What I like about the steam is it does ZERO damage to the original metal. It will also leave all the original paint,primer,inspection markings, etc. Unless you actually try to remove them.




I wouldn't even know where to rent one here... plus that's $100 I can spend on something else Honestly my favorite part of these cars is the building, so I don't mind if some things take longer. Once they're done, I usually get bored with them.
Posted By: mike_coates

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 08/30/13 01:10 PM

For the guys the do steam cleaning, what does the equipment look like and where do you rent it? How is it used? Like a pressure washer or?
Looks like a good idea for cleaning and removing undercoating.
Thanks
Mike
Posted By: BeeTX

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 08/30/13 09:21 PM

Here it's just a Hotsy steam pressure washer, I haven't rented one but looked into it.

My question is could you somehow do it without a rotisserie? Maybe jack one side way up on jackstands and remove wheels, then do same on the other side? Not ideal I know, but the rotisserie is where more expense comes.
Posted By: v8punch

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 08/31/13 02:38 AM

What kind of Steam cleaner will be suficiente to this work?
I'm overseas and need a link or model to find someting similar here.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 08/31/13 03:18 AM

The bigger the better when it comes to steam cleaners. They are expensive machines brand new, this one was about $4,000.00 retail but I bought it used for around $1,000.00. You want the temps capable of near boiling hot and 1-2,000 psi for good results. This model covered both just fine.

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Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 09/01/13 12:01 AM

We have 2 steam cleaners none of which will remove undercoating!
If it is flaky it will remove the flaks , none of the hard stuck on product
but if your having luck with it use it!
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 09/01/13 12:25 AM

It takes patience, you need to have the heat and pressure turned up full blast, adjust the tip to the thinnest possible point of water stream, and hold the tip close to the under coating long enough for the hot water to soften it. It may be a slow process in the heavier areas but it will remove it. I cleaned every single bit of it from my Duster and the rear wheel wells had a VERY heavy coating, took about 3 hours total.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 09/01/13 12:43 AM

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We have 2 steam cleaners none of which will remove undercoating!
If it is flaky it will remove the flaks , none of the hard stuck on product
but if your having luck with it use it!




Mine is a 4 gal per minute machine at just 2000psi at 212+ degrees, it'll blow mortar joints out of brick buildings, it'll remove under coating.

Thing is most people don't have access to or have never used a higher volume machine.
Did you see my pictures in all the other threads? They tell the story.

And someone mentioned about trying to do it without a rotissierie, which I don't think it could be done very easy if at all, because the wand is pretty long and you would not be able to shoot the car at every possible angle to get it all the way clean.

This machine has a steam valve that can be opened and allows some of the water to recirculate and get to the steam level and shoots at a reduced pressure. I do the whole car with it set on high and then use the steam to loosen/soften the hard stuff and then turn it back to high and it'll blow away all of it.

I have done several cars and it took about 4 hours to do the bottom and be completely done and have a spotless bottom.
Posted By: demon

Re: Ideas for removing undercaoting. - 09/01/13 01:03 AM

I've tried many methods. One of the most effective for at home with next to no cost is this:
on a rotisserie- using a bottle with a tip lid such as a gear oil bottle, wet an area about 10"x10" with gasoline. Light it with a barbeque lighter and let it burn. It will flame for about 10-15 seconds then go out. Then simply scrape and wirebrush while it's warm and it will clean it to the painted metal very nicely. BUT! Use your brain!
Don't drip gas all over! Don't do this indoors! Don't breathe the smoke. Don't burn yourself or your car down. Etc etc. Don't be an idiot!
With care this method works very well. Much faster than the propane torch
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