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Alum intake cleaning

Posted By: JohnRR

Alum intake cleaning - 04/28/13 07:02 PM

I have seen people speak of STORM DOOR CLEANER ... what exactly is that ? I went to home despot and the only stuff they had was something called JOMAX ? I have a couple intakes with oxidation I'd like to clean up. I have used eagle one etching wheel cleaner but I need to dip these intake to get the inside also and at 7 bucks for about 14ozs it's going to get real expensive.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/28/13 07:19 PM

At he detailing place I worked one summer as a teenager we use some sort of acid to clean the chrome wire wheels. It came in bulk and we diluted it very heavily.

Can you look at the MSDS for the Castrol Wheel Cleaner? I bet the active ingrediant is just one chemical you might be able to buy raw for much cheaper.
Posted By: car48nut

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/28/13 07:24 PM

any type of mild acid will work. try vinegar and lemon juice. rinse after you get done.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/28/13 07:26 PM

I think phosphoric acid is what you want.

That or you could try a Lye (Oven Cleaner) solution with water.

http://carcarebuzz.com/what-to-watch-for-in-wheel-tire-cleaning-chemicals/

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Cleaning Chemicals Evolve

Just as wheel and tire technologies and designs have changed over the years, so too have the chemicals used to clean them. This evolution is most notable in the move toward less aggressive, less caustic chemicals, and products made with special additives to boost cleaning power and performance.

To understand how wheel and tire cleaning chemicals work, it’s helpful to understand where chemicals fall on the pH scale. The pH of a chemical is measured according to a logarithmic scale of 0 to14. Chemicals with a pH of 0 to 5 are considered acidic. Stomach acid, lemon juice and coffee are common items with an acidic pH. Inorganic soils and soils held in place by magnetic forces are most easily removed with low pH products.

Chemicals with a pH of 6 to 8 are considered neutral. Natural stream water and milk would be considered “neutral.”

Chemicals with a pH of 9 to 14 are considered alkaline. Bleach and drain opener are two examples of items with an alkaline pH. Soils held in place by electrical charge are best removed with high-alkaline products. Keep in mind that while all caustics are alkaline, not all alkaline solutions are caustic.

It is important to note that pH is not an indication of the concentration of a solution. The proper method used to determine solution concentration is titration.

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Alkaline wheel and tire cleaning chemicals include active ingredients such as sodium metasilicate (metso), sodium carbonate (soda ash), sodium hydroxide (caustic soda, NaOH), and potassium hydroxide (caustic potash, KOH). Years ago, wash operators tended toward chemistries with significant amounts of caustic to “burn” dirt and grime off of wheels. Eventually, the damage caused by use of aggressive caustics led operators toward acidic chemicals. Operators should steer away from wheel/tire cleaners with a pH above 12.5 if they do not want a product containing caustic soda, which can damage wheels.

Acidic wheel and tire cleaning chemicals may include the following sources of acidity: citric acid, sulfuric acid, hydrofluoric acid (HF), hydrochloric acid (muratic acid), phosphoric acid, hydroxyacetic acid, and oxalic acid.

In general, acidic cleaners most always provide a clean wheel with relative ease, although the type of acid used will clearly affect the cleaning result. The decision on whether or not to use hydrofluoric acid, which may pose a worker safety issue if not properly managed—is an individual decision that may vary from operator to operator. But with new types of acidic cleaners on the market, hydrofluoric acid is used less and less these days.

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Detergents and solvents are used as alternatives to caustic and acidic materials to clean wheels and tires more safely. In fact, there are widely available, non-acidic, non-caustic alkaline cleaning chemicals that do at least 95 percent of what acids and caustics can do, especially when coupled with high-pressure water and friction. The ideal wheel/tire cleaner would have a detergency and solvency component with no caustic soda and a pH of less than 12.5.

Solvents—butyl and butyl substitutes, d-limonene, terpenes, and petroleum distillates—are often added to cleaning chemicals to increase their degreasing power. Buffering agents such as complex phosphates, sodium carbonates, and sodium silicates also may be added to cleaning products to stabilize their pH during the washing process. Some additives are seasonally specific—for example, to boost cleaning performance during dry seasons or when there is a lot of salt on the road.

Surfactants can either increase or decrease surface tension and improve wetting of the soil/surface, allowing better penetration of water to the soil and helping to prevent soils from being re-deposited on the surface. It is important to be aware of the difference in the types of surfactants. Mixing an anionic (negatively charged) surfactant such as a foamer with a cationic (positively charged) surfactant such as a drying agent or spray wax will cause them to neutralize each other and form a gooey solid that will stop up the application system.

Detergency and friction-based chemicals are best for salt deposits, while solvents are best used for absorption of clays, dirt and tar.



Posted By: Morty426

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/29/13 02:19 AM

Oven cleaner will etch aluminum something terrible. DO NOT DO THAT!
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/29/13 03:07 AM

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I have seen people speak of STORM DOOR CLEANER ... what exactly is that ? I went to home despot and the only stuff they had was something called JOMAX ? I have a couple intakes with oxidation I'd like to clean up. I have used eagle one etching wheel cleaner but I need to dip these intake to get the inside also and at 7 bucks for about 14ozs it's going to get real expensive.




Sounds the same as coil cleaner that you use to clean you home AC unit outside.

I have used it on aluminum with good results and a pressure washer to remove. Don't leave it sit too long.

I also have used this stuff many times also before painting aluminum, it's basically the same as coil cleaner.
Spray it on after diluting it with water, inside and out and power wash it off, works good for me.

Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/29/13 03:17 AM

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Oven cleaner will etch aluminum something terrible. DO NOT DO THAT!




I was thinking about that in a diluted concentration.

But you are right, it will etch and dull the finish. Not what you want if you are looking for a bare aluminum finish.

I use it for getting brite-dip coating off aluminum trim, but straight out of the can. It makes the finish very milky until you sand and buff it.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/29/13 04:08 AM

I don't care about dulling the finish , it's going to get painted . Ggod info here , I didn't think vinegar/lemon juice would work on alum, it's cheap enough to try .
Posted By: astjp2

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/29/13 07:29 AM

Eagle One Mag cleaner, get the one with muratic/phosphoric acid....
Posted By: cudabitten

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/29/13 12:25 PM

Hey John, I picked up this 40 year old piece at the end of last summer and got it pretty clean with ez-off oven cleaner, yellow can with the lye. It made it easier to get the stubborn paint out of the deep hard to reach areas. It still takes a lot of work though. Then I went over it with a brass wire wheel. If you wanted to, it would shine right back up, you can sort of see that.


Posted By: LimeliteAero

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/29/13 01:18 PM

I planned on taking my aluminum six-pac intake to the machine shop and have them hot tank it to clean it.
Is that a BAD idea?
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/29/13 01:31 PM

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I planned on taking my aluminum six-pac intake to the machine shop and have them hot tank it to clean it.
Is that a BAD idea?




A true "hot tank" will eat aluminun, so yea that is a bad idea if they still have a hot tank.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/30/13 04:00 AM

Go to wherever they sell body shop supplies and right beside the Metalprep you will see Alumiprep. That's the stuff you want.

Another good product is Steamiron cleaner that you will probably find in a hardware store but its probably the same chemical as Alumiprep but in a smaller bottle and more money.

You say you want to do the inside but that is going to be fuel and exhaust residue and the acid cleaners won't touch that. For that you'll need something like carb cleaner.

But when have you listened to me ?!?!
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/30/13 01:59 PM

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Go to wherever they sell body shop supplies and right beside the Metalprep you will see Alumiprep. That's the stuff you want.

Another good product is Steamiron cleaner that you will probably find in a hardware store but its probably the same chemical as Alumiprep but in a smaller bottle and more money.

You say you want to do the inside but that is going to be fuel and exhaust residue and the acid cleaners won't touch that. For that you'll need something like carb cleaner.

But when have you listened to me ?!?!




I think I took your advice on more than one occasion, but sometimes the good stuff gets lost in your pleasant as pecan pie demeanor

The intake is clean on the inside best as I can tell , it's the oxidation I want to remove and you can't get to many places inside the intake because you can't even see it .

I'll go to a body supply shop and look for the alumiprep, thanks .
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 04/30/13 04:38 PM

If you have access to a blast cabinet then blast the inside.
Posted By: bee1971

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 05/01/13 01:28 AM

Yepper , a bead blaster cabinet will make it look brand new inside and out !!! Then a good wash and you have a perfect looking intake
Posted By: crowbait

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 05/01/13 02:06 AM

tornado. spray scrub with a nylon brush rinse.wear gloves.
Posted By: His and Her 69's

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 05/01/13 05:54 AM

We have an aluminum hot tank and an iron hot tank, different chemicals in them, so we hot tank them, bead blast them, Blow them off inside and out and the bolt holes, re hot tank them to get any missed sand, rinse them with water, blow dry and send them out to the customer.
Never had any issues and they look like new again.
If there is a heat crossover plate underneath we take that off so it is clean and then reinstall it when done.(gm and fords mostly)
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 05/01/13 03:11 PM

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If you have access to a blast cabinet then blast the inside.




That advice I won't take , not a good idea to me .... and many others , but thanks
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 05/01/13 03:18 PM

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If you have access to a blast cabinet then blast the inside.




That advice I won't take , not a good idea to me .... and many others , but thanks




I agree, aluminum is too porous and may hold blast media only to be released when the manifold get's hot.

And like said above by His and Her's, the bottem shield should be removed to clean behind it if it has one.
Posted By: bee1971

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 05/02/13 05:56 AM

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If you have access to a blast cabinet then blast the inside.




That advice I won't take , not a good idea to me .... and many others , but thanks




The blast cabinet is not the issue

Its the media inside that cabinet that you are using - And the intake still requires a good washing afterwards
Posted By: Q5_Ed

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 05/02/13 12:12 PM

What about a nice steering box that is assembled but dulling a bit?
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 05/02/13 04:36 PM

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What about a nice steering box that is assembled but dulling a bit?




Eagle one etching wheel cleaner and hose it off ...
Posted By: chrisf

Re: Alum intake cleaning - 05/02/13 05:17 PM

i have experimented lately with different types of media for customers on aluminum have tried a blend of 200 grit glass and soda. leaves a very nice finish.
not worried about left over media, i just clean it well.
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