Posted By: cbusters
Build Sheet info - 01/05/13 06:25 AM
I have a 69 RR E63 engine. What is the three digit number for the build sheet for this.
Build Sheet info
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/05/13 06:42 AM
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I have a 69 RR E63 engine. What is the three digit number for the build sheet for this.
What does your broadcast sheet say?
Posted By: stevet340
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/05/13 12:59 PM
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I have a 69 RR E63 engine. What is the three digit number for the build sheet for this.
You answered your own question. E 63. Only the 2 numbers are in the box of a 1969 braodcast sheet, below the E in the eng section of the sheet on the first line. Not sure why it is top secret info to guys on here???
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/05/13 02:32 PM
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I have a 69 RR E63 engine. What is the three digit number for the build sheet for this.
You answered your own question. E 63. Only the 2 numbers are in the box of a 1969 braodcast sheet, below the E in the eng section of the sheet on the first line. Not sure why it is top secret info to guys on here???
The engine assembly numbers that are both on the valve covers and on the assembly sheet are three digit numbers according to my research.
Examples:
899 = 69 super bee 383-4 w/ac
112 = 70 superbird 426
917 = 440-4 hp
122 = 70 440-6
And I suspect the 69 rr 383-4 engine may be 625
Transmission numbers are up to three digits
Examples:
122 = 70 automatic
5 = 70 Manual
0 = 68-9 manual
125 = 69 rr auto
E63 engines came in a few configurations. The same number goes to an A-body 383-4, but the exhaust manifolds may be a little different. And that may be why the other codes were used. There would also be a different number for an auto verses a manual, because of the pilot bushing.
My engine is also a California car that came with the spark delay valve for emissions. This was installed prior to engine paint and may also have a different code for the factory workers.
Maybe these are top secret until we get an answer on here, and we all get educated just a bit. Can anybody verify that the code is only "63". I may be as uninformed as you think.
So please, no more attitude answers, and help a Mopar guy out.
This is starting to look like a trivia question!
Posted By: moparfan53
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/05/13 11:05 PM
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I have a 69 RR E63 engine. What is the three digit number for the build sheet for this.
You answered your own question. E 63. Only the 2 numbers are in the box of a 1969 braodcast sheet, below the E in the eng section of the sheet on the first line. Not sure why it is top secret info to guys on here???
I don't think he answered his own question. The 63 is the 2 digit engine option code on line 2. Pretty sure he is looking for the 3 digit engine assembly code on line 3. See example below for an E61 engine. I think that would be difficult to find out if not readable on the sheet.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/05/13 11:44 PM
FWIW 
There are at least six different 3 digit ENG assembly numbers (actually 7 digit) for the '69 383 engine in a Road Runner.
1 - you didn't provide enough information for the correct answer
2 - the number is on the fender tag of a Lynch Rd. Detroit, MI assembled Road Runner (Do you have a fender tag? Where was your RR built?)
3 - the number is on the broadcast sheet (Do you have a broadcast sheet?)
Since there is usually not a lot of help offered to invent a broadcast sheet or fender tag, you probably will NOT receive a serious answer.
FAIR ENOUGH??
There are at least six different 3 digit ENG assembly numbers (actually 7 digit) for the '69 383 engine in a Road Runner.
1 - you didn't provide enough information for the correct answer
2 - the number is on the fender tag of a Lynch Rd. Detroit, MI assembled Road Runner (Do you have a fender tag? Where was your RR built?)
3 - the number is on the broadcast sheet (Do you have a broadcast sheet?)
Since there is usually not a lot of help offered to invent a broadcast sheet or fender tag, you probably will NOT receive a serious answer.
FAIR ENOUGH??
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 06:26 AM
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FWIW
There are at least six different 3 digit ENG assembly numbers (actually 7 digit) for the '69 383 engine in a Road Runner.
1 - you didn't provide enough information for the correct answer
2 - the number is on the fender tag of a Lynch Rd. Detroit, MI assembled Road Runner (Do you have a fender tag? Where was your RR built?)
3 - the number is on the broadcast sheet (Do you have a broadcast sheet?)
Since there is usually not a lot of help offered to invent a broadcast sheet or fender tag, you probably will NOT receive a serious answer.
FAIR ENOUGH??
I am not trying to invent a fender tag or a broadcast sheet. I don't think that my 383 4 speed car with few options will be any threat to the value of anyone's car collection. We are just attempting to detail the car to the extreme as an example of what can be accomplished. This is just the standard fun to drive car that has more money in it than it could ever be worth, like other true Mopar people. I can still hold on to the hope that someone will help like I help others. Thanks for the warning anyways!
My original fender tag has E63 on it and it was built in LA California. What other info is needed?
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 07:20 AM
transmission & with or without A/C
& a simpler question would've/could've been:
What number should be on the passenger side valve cover of my 383 4-spd with A/C '69 Road Runner?
& a simpler question would've/could've been:
What number should be on the passenger side valve cover of my 383 4-spd with A/C '69 Road Runner?
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 02:38 PM
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transmission & with or without A/C
& a simpler question would've/could've been:
What number should be on the passenger side valve cover of my 383 4-spd with A/C '69 Road Runner?
Manual Trans, so the drivers valve cover will have a "0".
No a/c.
I took the other route after reading the reactions from some of the questions from other extreme restoration members. I guess you will lose either way. Thanks for the help.
Posted By: 68gtx
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 08:03 PM
I am restoring a 68 GTX. I have been doing GM stuff for ever. This is my first MOPAR. So I too have tried to educate my self on some of this stuff. I must say I have never seen a group that is so suspicious. They think everyone that ask a question about a broadcast sheet or fender tag is up doing something shady??? Like you have a bunch of blank broad cast sheets you are getting ready to print off. 
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 08:18 PM
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I am restoring a 68 GTX. I have been doing GM stuff for ever. This is my first MOPAR. So I too have tried to educate my self on some of this stuff. I must say I have never seen a group that is so suspicious. They think everyone that ask a question about a broadcast sheet or fender tag is up doing something shady??? Like you have a bunch of blank broad cast sheets you are getting ready to print off.
I have shared and received some good information on the forums. Not everybody believes in the "Freedom of Information" and some feel information is a commodity for profit. I just wait them out and someone will help if you are persistent.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 08:20 PM
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Like you have a bunch of blank broad cast sheets you are getting ready to print off.
Two members here have made them for others in the past that we know of.
A seller on Ebay also sells them & will print them out any way you like.
So yes, we are suspicious.
Posted By: 68gtx
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 09:25 PM
Are they correct in every way?? The ones I have seen are nothing like an original. Paper is not correct ink is wrong spacing font all wrong ect. My point was and is not everyone is out to make docs some guys just do not know thats why they ask the question.
Posted By: Iceman01
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 09:27 PM
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... I must say I have never seen a group that is so suspicious. They think everyone that ask a question about a broadcast sheet or fender tag is up doing something shady ...
You nailed it. Although some here have accumulated fairly authoritative knowledge on this subject, the prevailing Moparts culture strongly discourages them from sharing it publicly. In their defense, they actually believe they are doing the hobby a favor by acting as self-appointed policemen, and to some degree they probably are.
But more than one thing can be true at the same time. In America, we aren't generally proactive in stopping crime -- that's what thought police do. It's like paraphrasing the popular saying, "Fender tags don't kill people, knowledge kills people." Also true -- and perhaps lying more at the root of the secrecy -- is that those who won't freely share their knowledge are in reality also meeting their own human psychological needs for power and control of others. For them, it's a win-win situation -- those who seek the secret knowledge for innocent purposes are merely collateral damage in the war against fraud and deception before it even occurs.
Your best bet is to seek this information from other sources...
Posted By: mikemee1331
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 09:49 PM
Quote:since this type of topic (documentation)was just thrashed out over in the restoration forum i'll just quote A12 excellent reply about everyone being gun shy - "Here's the point I think JohnRR was trying to make but as always these threads take a turn for the worse. For years with the A12 cars we had many, many threads on "painted or unpainted" fender tags on A12 or Lynch Road assembled cars and the more we discussed the tags the more we found newly made tags that were not original but getting so good that it was getting hard to tell. Well we realized that the makers of tags were following right along and even asking questions of how can you tell the differences? That's when we decided that if we wanted to know something about a specific tag that we would discuss it by PM, email or phone so that we could at least keep some of the telltales from being discovered. Wouldn't it be nice if you could get on a public forum with the U.S. Treasury and asked them how you could make your "reprint" money so good that even they couldn't spot your "reprint". And you could tell them that the only reason that you wanted to "reprint" a couple of million was because you had it in a nice suitcase but the suitcase got lost or stolen with the original money in it......
I am restoring a 68 GTX. I have been doing GM stuff for ever. This is my first MOPAR. So I too have tried to educate my self on some of this stuff. I must say I have never seen a group that is so suspicious. They think everyone that ask a question about a broadcast sheet or fender tag is up doing something shady??? Like you have a bunch of blank broad cast sheets you are getting ready to print off.
So now if a tag is really not worth any value to the car then why do we need to make it soooo perfect that it can't be spotted from an original, is it kind of like "reprinted" money. Again kind of like color copying a hundred dollar bill and everytime you copy it you somehow change the serial number......what do you think someone is doing if they did that just wanting to copy some money or pass it off as..............I just hope the tag producers NEVER find out how to make all of them perfect.
Carry on with letting them know what they need to do so you can't tell one from an original....that's why security companies always hire the ex-cons to help the security company do their job better" link to one of the discussions - https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1 - i understand both sides and will only offer that new or 'newer' members should be sensitive to the way they phrase questions concerning the documents that can positively identify or debuke our Mopars.
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 11:16 PM
Your best bet is to seek this information from other sources...
Americans have moved from heritage discrimination to information discrimination. I once saw a Dodge guy do something dishonest, so I will never trust another guy with a Dodge. They are all up to no good don't you know! Don't get me started on guys with green cars. Lost my wife to one, they always get the girls.
Would you privately send me a list of the other sources. I swear, I am honest, my car just wants to know where it came from.
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/06/13 11:53 PM
Here is the answer from an article done by Frank Badalson. Lots of information!
http://roadtrip.yearone.com/2010_07_01_archive.html
And so the search engine will pick it up to help someone in the future:
Fender Tag Code for an E63 "69 383-4 manual trans" matches the Engine Assembly Code of 925 which will also be on the passenger valve cover.
http://roadtrip.yearone.com/2010_07_01_archive.html
And so the search engine will pick it up to help someone in the future:
Fender Tag Code for an E63 "69 383-4 manual trans" matches the Engine Assembly Code of 925 which will also be on the passenger valve cover.
Posted By: 68gtx
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/07/13 12:39 AM
Glad to see you found the info you were looking for!!
Posted By: DPelletier
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/07/13 05:31 PM
Quote:
a simpler question would've/could've been:
What number should be on the passenger side valve cover of my 383 4-spd with A/C '69 Road Runner?
I was originally thinking the same thing. And people are suspicious here because MOST people that ask about fender tag and BS details ARE trying to fake a tag or sheet.
The same people have "outed" many fake cars and saved dozens of people from getting taken so cut them some slack.
Dave
Posted By: ek3
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/07/13 07:22 PM
Quote:... i agree with all you have said with exception of New or newer members should be sensitve to the way they phrase questions concearning the documents ect... mabe .. you [moparts ] should be more sensitive to the fact that new members do not have a crystal ball to know this. If you truly desire to protect the information, let that be known in your NEW MEMBER SECTION . i asked a direct question without trying to hide anything and i get a smart a/s reply totaly off topic. mabe the KNOWLAGEABLE ones could simply reply with an equally honest answer. ie; we do not like to give out this information freely due to past issues which may have been used in an improper manner .there is no need to build animosity between those who seek knowlage and those who have it. AS usual, the good and honest people will suffer from the fallout of the few bad apples .Quote:since this type of topic (documentation)was just thrashed out over in the restoration forum i'll just quote A12 excellent reply about everyone being gun shy - "Here's the point I think JohnRR was trying to make but as always these threads take a turn for the worse. For years with the A12 cars we had many, many threads on "painted or unpainted" fender tags on A12 or Lynch Road assembled cars and the more we discussed the tags the more we found newly made tags that were not original but getting so good that it was getting hard to tell. Well we realized that the makers of tags were following right along and even asking questions of how can you tell the differences? That's when we decided that if we wanted to know something about a specific tag that we would discuss it by PM, email or phone so that we could at least keep some of the telltales from being discovered. Wouldn't it be nice if you could get on a public forum with the U.S. Treasury and asked them how you could make your "reprint" money so good that even they couldn't spot your "reprint". And you could tell them that the only reason that you wanted to "reprint" a couple of million was because you had it in a nice suitcase but the suitcase got lost or stolen with the original money in it......
I am restoring a 68 GTX. I have been doing GM stuff for ever. This is my first MOPAR. So I too have tried to educate my self on some of this stuff. I must say I have never seen a group that is so suspicious. They think everyone that ask a question about a broadcast sheet or fender tag is up doing something shady??? Like you have a bunch of blank broad cast sheets you are getting ready to print off.
So now if a tag is really not worth any value to the car then why do we need to make it soooo perfect that it can't be spotted from an original, is it kind of like "reprinted" money. Again kind of like color copying a hundred dollar bill and everytime you copy it you somehow change the serial number......what do you think someone is doing if they did that just wanting to copy some money or pass it off as..............I just hope the tag producers NEVER find out how to make all of them perfect.
Carry on with letting them know what they need to do so you can't tell one from an original....that's why security companies always hire the ex-cons to help the security company do their job better" link to one of the discussions - https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1 - i understand both sides and will only offer that new or 'newer' members should be sensitive to the way they phrase questions concerning the documents that can positively identify or debuke our Mopars.
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/07/13 08:15 PM
If people are already creating the fake paperwork, then the idea of secrecy as a deterrent is a failure. Information sharing is a better concept as it will make people more aware that "anyone can get that". Secrecy has created the value of fake papers. I imagine there are people that want the information kept secret so that no one knows what they are doing. Do we now have a Moparts CIA? Who is the lack of knowledge benefiting? The dishonest. Learn a lesson from our government, the truth will eventually get out when you try to hide it. The people that post here make an easy target when you can't do anything about the ones that make the forgeries. So, if you don't want to share your secrets, don't respond to the post with attitude. That benefits you and no one else. It is a control thing. Imagine, all this over a valve cover mark.
Posted By: 68gtx
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/07/13 09:58 PM
Not only are they creating fake paper work but they are faking cars and not just mopars but everything. Its all about the $$$$. Thats too bad for this hobby / business. With that said i'm not sure anyone with absolute certainty know every little nuance of these fender tags. They are too inconsistent from plant to plant. I have read some have crimp marks from being painted some don't, some plants included this info, some didn't ,some have inspectors stamps some don't.I have seen examples online of factory tags with wrong numbers on them, left out options ,and the list goes on. Why would I DEVALUE a car for not having a doc with that many inconsistencies. Now on to build sheets. Some cars never had them to start with or had the wrong one in them or several in them. Should I DEVALUE my car just because I do not have a document that may not have been there to start with?? Mopar has a VIN# that tells you model and engine which in my opinion is worth its weight in gold. Which also determines 80% + value of the car. Now do I think having these docs would aid in the purchase of a car? Of course i do. I think the so called experts would serve the Mopar family better by educating someone new to Mopars on how to spot red flags and fake fender tags. Leaving the gray area leaves the door open for those that do not know what to look for to become prey!!!! Do not DEVALUE a car just because it does not have a build sheet or fender tag. Just my opinion!!! Plus fender tags are being made every day for every kind of car out there!!!! In some cases I think its OK. If you are faking a car NOT OK. If your car was wrecked, tag stolen, lost tag ect. I think its totally ok. Why do i think these guys try to make a tag as correct as possible. In some cases it maybe because they want to fool someone but most of these guys make you jump through hoops to get one. Why make you document with pictures titles vin# and the list goes on if they are trying to trick people.?? I have a 68 GTX only had 2 engine options and 2 trans options. From the VIN# I know it was a 440 car and from the partial VIN# on the trans I feel good about what it is a 68 440 4 speed and yes it is 18 spline and a dana 60 no FT or BS does not make it any less to me. Just some things to think about!!!!
Posted By: DPelletier
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/07/13 11:14 PM
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If people are already creating the fake paperwork, then the idea of secrecy as a deterrent is a failure.
Nope, you've missed the point; just because they are being made doesn't mean they're perfect and the more people share how to make them as close to perfect as possible, the better the fakes will get and the more innocent people will get scammed.
secrecy may not deter people from making fakes, but at least the fakes are usually flawed and detectable.
My advice is to stay here, learn and listen and get to know who's who. When you have a question, post it clearly stating the reason you want the info and someone will probably PM you the answer.
If the question was asked in a different manner; i.e. what number should there be on my valve cover?, I'm sure it would have been answered within a couple of posts.
Dave
Posted By: DPelletier
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/07/13 11:19 PM
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I think the so called experts would serve the Mopar family better by educating someone new to Mopars on how to spot red flags and fake fender tags.
Easy; post a tag pic for any car you are interested in purchasing and the guys here will tell you if it is a fake or not....and there isn't even a fee!
Dave
Posted By: Mr D21
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/07/13 11:29 PM
like Dave said - post your pictures and people will reply accordingly... but keep in mind this is a free forum and you get what you pay for. Knowledge is expensive and it takes years to accumalate - if some experts are willing to share well that's a privledge for us and not a right.
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 12:30 AM
If the question was asked in a different manner; i.e. what number should there be on my valve cover?, I'm sure it would have been answered within a couple of posts.
Dave
I have read posted questions about items that are being restored and the comments were not to worry about it or some comment about the person being "one of those perfect restoration guys" that they will never understand. I tried to bypass those answers by asking a simpler question. The result was just as bad. The truth is, it doesn't matter how you ask. Why would people join a forum if not to share and discuss knowledge. A better first response to my question could have been "Why do you need to know this". I will continue to help people with the things that I know because information should be free flowing. I remember a certain Guru that was always bad mouthed because he wanted money to share his knowledge. Secrecy created his business model.
Unsocial behavior because of controversy.
From Wikipedia
"Forums prefer a premise of open and free discussion and often adopt de facto standards. Most common topics on forums include questions, comparisons, polls of opinion as well as debates. It is not uncommon for nonsense or unsocial behavior to sprout as people lose temper, especially if the topic is controversial. Poor understanding of differences in values of the participants is a common problem on forums. Because replies to a topic are often worded aimed at someone's point of view, discussion will usually go slightly off into several directions as people question each other's validity, sources and so on. Circular discussion and ambiguity in replies can extend for several tens of posts of a thread eventually ending when everyone gives up or attention spans waver and a more interesting subject takes over. It is not uncommon for debate to end in ad hominem attacks."
Todays trivia: How many people have noticed the copper plated bolts in the bottom of the battery tray? I bet nobody has payed attention to that!
Dave
I have read posted questions about items that are being restored and the comments were not to worry about it or some comment about the person being "one of those perfect restoration guys" that they will never understand. I tried to bypass those answers by asking a simpler question. The result was just as bad. The truth is, it doesn't matter how you ask. Why would people join a forum if not to share and discuss knowledge. A better first response to my question could have been "Why do you need to know this". I will continue to help people with the things that I know because information should be free flowing. I remember a certain Guru that was always bad mouthed because he wanted money to share his knowledge. Secrecy created his business model.
Unsocial behavior because of controversy.
From Wikipedia
"Forums prefer a premise of open and free discussion and often adopt de facto standards. Most common topics on forums include questions, comparisons, polls of opinion as well as debates. It is not uncommon for nonsense or unsocial behavior to sprout as people lose temper, especially if the topic is controversial. Poor understanding of differences in values of the participants is a common problem on forums. Because replies to a topic are often worded aimed at someone's point of view, discussion will usually go slightly off into several directions as people question each other's validity, sources and so on. Circular discussion and ambiguity in replies can extend for several tens of posts of a thread eventually ending when everyone gives up or attention spans waver and a more interesting subject takes over. It is not uncommon for debate to end in ad hominem attacks."
Todays trivia: How many people have noticed the copper plated bolts in the bottom of the battery tray? I bet nobody has payed attention to that!
Posted By: 696pack
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 02:11 AM
Quote:Quote:
FWIW
There are at least six different 3 digit ENG assembly numbers (actually 7 digit) for the '69 383 engine in a Road Runner.
1 - you didn't provide enough information for the correct answer
2 - the number is on the fender tag of a Lynch Rd. Detroit, MI assembled Road Runner (Do you have a fender tag? Where was your RR built?)
3 - the number is on the broadcast sheet (Do you have a broadcast sheet?)
Since there is usually not a lot of help offered to invent a broadcast sheet or fender tag, you probably will NOT receive a serious answer.
FAIR ENOUGH??
I am not trying to invent a fender tag or a broadcast sheet. I don't think that my 383 4 speed car with few options will be any threat to the value of anyone's car collection. We are just attempting to detail the car to the extreme as an example of what can be accomplished. This is just the standard fun to drive car that has more money in it than it could ever be worth, like other true Mopar people. I can still hold on to the hope that someone will help like I help others. Thanks for the warning anyways!
My original fender tag has E63 on it and it was built in LA California. What other info is needed?
For Lynch Rd. built cars it was 925 I don't know if it was the same code for an LA built car or not but I would think so. Was there more than one engine plant building 383s? The info is in GGs books.
Posted By: A12
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 04:05 AM
If you have a '69 383, 4-speed with A/C road runner you should have 897 on the right "torquoise" valve cover in white.
897 - 383 4BBL, manual transmission, A/C, 330hp, Turquoise (925 for a '69 383 335hp 4-spd WITHOUT A/C orange)
899 is on an automatic as here on this survivor '69 383 Super Bee with A/C. (926 for a '69 383 335hp automatic WITHOUT A/C orange)
897 - 383 4BBL, manual transmission, A/C, 330hp, Turquoise (925 for a '69 383 335hp 4-spd WITHOUT A/C orange)
899 is on an automatic as here on this survivor '69 383 Super Bee with A/C. (926 for a '69 383 335hp automatic WITHOUT A/C orange)
Posted By: A12
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 04:10 AM
BTW......Trivia: what are those three numbers from?
Posted By: 696pack
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 04:38 AM
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BTW......Trivia: what are those three numbers from?
The number at the assembly plant for the complete engine assembly. Not available for purchase through parts so you won't find the number in the parts book.
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 04:39 AM
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If you have a '69 383, 4-speed with A/C road runner you should have 897 on the right "torquoise" valve cover in white.
897 - 383 4BBL, manual transmission, A/C, 330hp, Turquoise (925 for a '69 383 335hp 4-spd WITHOUT A/C orange)
899 is on an automatic as here on this survivor '69 383 Super Bee with A/C. (926 for a '69 383 335hp automatic WITHOUT A/C orange)
I would love to see a marked valve cover for a non a/c orange 383 with either a 925 or a 926. Would it be too greedy to see the drivers side also?
The three numbers are put on the engine so the guys assembling the car put the right engine combination in the car. Probably pilot bushing and carb difference between manual and automatic. Maybe distributor, throttle bracket, and/or vacuum line nipples also. My car has the distributor advance delay valve on it also. I would be cool if that also made a difference in the engine numbers. The judging manual is kind of thin in that area and I would like to fill in the blanks and forward them to Dave at MMC. This would help the accuracy of the judges and keep the car quality higher.
Thanks for the great pics!!!
Posted By: A12
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 05:00 AM
don't know where I read that I thought you had a 383, 4-spd WITH A/C??? 
You are correct in the 925 engine number.....and btw a '69 road runner 383 AUTOMATIC had a single point distributor....DAMHIK
You are correct in the 925 engine number.....and btw a '69 road runner 383 AUTOMATIC had a single point distributor....DAMHIK
Posted By: DPelletier
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 06:06 PM
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I have read posted questions about items that are being restored and the comments were not to worry about it or some comment about the person being "one of those perfect restoration guys" that they will never understand. I tried to bypass those answers by asking a simpler question. The result was just as bad. The truth is, it doesn't matter how you ask.
I disagree; the truth is that it DOES matter how you ask. As for the rest, yes you will get those responses from some people here....ignore them, they aren't the ones with the knowledge to answer your question anyway.
This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended. Not saying that's right or wrong, but it is the way it is. If you are honest and polite, you will find that you will get answers to most of your questions and, over time, you will know who's opinions to trust.
I am not a Mopar expert by any means, though I have done research related to my particular car which I happily share when I can, but I have been here long enough that I know dozens of members, who they are, what they are like and what they know. If I need to know something I know who to ask or, in the case of a general posting, who's advice/info is most likely to be correct.
Moparts isn't a gentle "feel good" place all the time, but it will surprise you on occasion....and it is the largest Mopar website in the world with a great many knowledgeable and helpful members if you perservere. I can't imagine how much more difficult my restoration would have been without the help of the membership here, and I've made some friends (I think!
) at the same time. Dave
Posted By: DPelletier
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 06:11 PM
BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).
To see a list of the numbers go here;
http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm
Dave
To see a list of the numbers go here;
http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm
Dave
Posted By: 69CoronetRT
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 07:11 PM
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This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended. Not saying that's right or wrong, but it is the way it is. If you are honest and polite, you will find that you will get answers to most of your questions and, over time, you will know who's opinions to trust.
I am not a Mopar expert by any means, though I have done research related to my particular car which I happily share when I can, but I have been here long enough that I know dozens of members, who they are, what they are like and what they know. If I need to know something I know who to ask or, in the case of a general posting, who's advice/info is most likely to be correct.
Moparts isn't a gentle "feel good" place all the time, but it will surprise you on occasion....and it is the largest Mopar website in the world with a great many knowledgeable and helpful members if you perservere. I can't imagine how much more difficult my restoration would have been without the help of the membership here, and I've made some friends (I think!
Well said and nice perspective. This is why you are one of the best posters.
"This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended."
Ya think????
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 11:03 PM
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BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).
To see a list of the numbers go here;
http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm
Dave
There is some great information on that page, thanks.
Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 11:05 PM
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This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended. Not saying that's right or wrong, but it is the way it is. If you are honest and polite, you will find that you will get answers to most of your questions and, over time, you will know who's opinions to trust.
I am not a Mopar expert by any means, though I have done research related to my particular car which I happily share when I can, but I have been here long enough that I know dozens of members, who they are, what they are like and what they know. If I need to know something I know who to ask or, in the case of a general posting, who's advice/info is most likely to be correct.
Moparts isn't a gentle "feel good" place all the time, but it will surprise you on occasion....and it is the largest Mopar website in the world with a great many knowledgeable and helpful members if you perservere. I can't imagine how much more difficult my restoration would have been without the help of the membership here, and I've made some friends (I think!
Well said and nice perspective. This is why you are one of the best posters.
"This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended."
Not offended, just not a door mat. It is nice the comments have changed directions.
Posted By: A12
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/08/13 11:43 PM
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BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).
To see a list of the numbers go here;
http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm
Dave
There is some great information on that page, thanks.
Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?
this is off of a 5600 mile A12 440 but it's was probably put there by one of the same workers at the Trenton engine plant that would have done the same to a 383
Posted By: DPelletier
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/09/13 12:31 AM
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There is some great information on that page, thanks.
Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?
I thought I did around here somewhere, but I just looked through all my pics and can't find it!
sorry. Dave
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/09/13 12:56 AM
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BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).
To see a list of the numbers go here;
http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm
Dave
There is some great information on that page, thanks.
Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?
this is off of a 5600 mile A12 440 but it's was probably put there by one of the same workers at the Trenton engine plant that would have done the same to a 383
It is interesting how the 383 turquoise has a white crayon and the 440 orange has a black paint marker and the numbers are in different locations on the valve cover.
Posted By: A12
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/09/13 01:39 AM
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BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).
To see a list of the numbers go here;
http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm
Dave
There is some great information on that page, thanks.
Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?
this is off of a 5600 mile A12 440 but it's was probably put there by one of the same workers at the Trenton engine plant that would have done the same to a 383
It is interesting how the 383 turquoise has a white crayon and the 440 orange has a black paint marker and the numbers are in different locations on the valve cover.
?
Posted By: ek3
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/09/13 02:45 AM
Quote:after i posted about fender tag fonts, the very first reply was a bs. reply.{ see ref. to thread above] however , within 24 hrs, i had 3 emails [from very nice members] with all the info i needed . they also told me that there were plenty of those kind of people on this site.the amzing thing is ,if i wanted to fake some docs, the last thing i would do is go to a public place and talk about anything at all related to tags ect.[ESPECIALLY A MOPAR FORUM] What is even more amazing is that some of the experts here will give out the secret info if you ask properly! wow, secrets not available unless you ask the correct way! believe it or not, i do understand people fake this kind of documentation , and i can see why it makes a purist mad. I have been personally effected by the crooked -fakers- out there so I know first hand what this is all about. Bottom line... if the experts dont reply, nobody gets their secret information. problem solved. no need for judgemental replys.Quote:
... I must say I have never seen a group that is so suspicious. They think everyone that ask a question about a broadcast sheet or fender tag is up doing something shady ...
You nailed it. Although some here have accumulated fairly authoritative knowledge on this subject, the prevailing Moparts culture strongly discourages them from sharing it publicly. In their defense, they actually believe they are doing the hobby a favor by acting as self-appointed policemen, and to some degree they probably are.
But more than one thing can be true at the same time. In America, we aren't generally proactive in stopping crime -- that's what thought police do. It's like paraphrasing the popular saying, "Fender tags don't kill people, knowledge kills people." Also true -- and perhaps lying more at the root of the secrecy -- is that those who won't freely share their knowledge are in reality also meeting their own human psychological needs for power and control of others. For them, it's a win-win situation -- those who seek the secret knowledge for innocent purposes are merely collateral damage in the war against fraud and deception before it even occurs.
Your best bet is to seek this information from other sources...
Posted By: A12
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/10/13 01:35 AM
Original or not original? I think it is but there's a little more to this....
This is a '69 4-speed road runner (without A/C) and this number is correct for a 383-335hp 4-spd without A/C and the rest of the engine bay and engine components do make it appear to be original except for some hoses being replaced at the time of the photos.
This is a '69 4-speed road runner (without A/C) and this number is correct for a 383-335hp 4-spd without A/C and the rest of the engine bay and engine components do make it appear to be original except for some hoses being replaced at the time of the photos.
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/10/13 02:57 AM
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Original or not original? I think it is but there's a little more to this....
This is a '69 4-speed road runner (without A/C) and this number is correct for a 383-335hp 4-spd without A/C and the rest of the engine bay and engine components do make it appear to be original except for some hoses being replaced at the time of the photos.
That pictures changes another belief that I had. I understood that only 440's came with valve cover studs in 69! The more I think I know, the less it is true.
Thanks for the first 925 picture. I had a long talk with Roger Gibson today about this stuff and he told me of other variables written on valve covers. Like carb numbers and more.
Posted By: A12
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/10/13 03:51 PM
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Original or not original? I think it is but there's a little more to this....
This is a '69 4-speed road runner (without A/C) and this number is correct for a 383-335hp 4-spd without A/C and the rest of the engine bay and engine components do make it appear to be original except for some hoses being replaced at the time of the photos.
That pictures changes another belief that I had. I understood that only 440's came with valve cover studs in 69! The more I think I know, the less it is true.
Thanks for the first 925 picture. I had a long talk with Roger Gibson today about this stuff and he told me of other variables written on valve covers. Like carb numbers and more.
Not so fast on that assumption change of mind.........there's more here than meets the eye
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Build Sheet info - 01/11/13 11:03 PM
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Original or not original? I think it is but there's a little more to this....
This is a '69 4-speed road runner (without A/C) and this number is correct for a 383-335hp 4-spd without A/C and the rest of the engine bay and engine components do make it appear to be original except for some hoses being replaced at the time of the photos.
Do you have a photo of the drivers side valve cover for the 925 assembly?