Posted By: AAR#2
Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/18/12 02:49 PM
Any recommendation for correct looking paint, varnish, dye, or other for the red nuts used on MOPAR brake components?
Thanks for the input
Thanks for the input
Brake Nuts, Red Color
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/18/12 07:34 PM
They are not painted ...
Posted By: AAR#2
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/18/12 08:42 PM
Nope, not anodize, as anodize is a process primarily for aluminum. While there are several materials other than aluminum, steel is not one of them.
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/18/12 08:48 PM
Quote:
They are anodized ...
I respectively dis-agree.
The red coloring is red di-chrommate dip process - It's a secondary step done after the initial zinc plating process.
The red prop valve mounting nut / park brake adjuster flange nut is avail.
The power booster +/or master cylinder mounting kepps lock nuts in red are not.
Ok, back to work.
ps, I don't know of anyone who is capable of the red di-chromate process.
Maybe pm Jules,, he might.
The last wiper motor I got from him had a red nut for the crank arm included( sorry, didn't pay enough attention to see if it was plated or painted. And it didn't really matter to me as it can't be seen once installed)
pss, Duplicolor has a clear red that might work in a pinch.
Posted By: AAR#2
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/18/12 09:34 PM
OK, Red Chromate is totally plausible. Only issue being I have never seen or run across anyone who sells it or offers the service. I'll check a few of the plating threads to see if its out there
I toyed with using Dykem Red but would prefer to do what's right if I can find the material
I toyed with using Dykem Red but would prefer to do what's right if I can find the material
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/18/12 10:02 PM
So that I got the process incorrect, I knew that they were not painted. 
Posted By: cbusters
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/19/12 02:32 AM
Try some of the Candy Red colored paint. It are more transparent than regular red paint.
Posted By: Stanton
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/19/12 03:30 PM
And don't worry about consistency either as the degree of color changed from batch to batch.
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/19/12 11:36 PM
"Duplicolor has a clear red that might work in a pinch. "
That is what I use.
I do have the nuts plated first in clear zinc. Then use the clear red.
The plating shop I use does not do red zinc. Wish they did though.
Jules
That is what I use.
I do have the nuts plated first in clear zinc. Then use the clear red.
The plating shop I use does not do red zinc. Wish they did though.
Jules
Posted By: AAR#2
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/19/12 11:59 PM
Thanks Jules, I remember you saying that in the past but have not been so lucky to find, maybe a bit more searching.
As for red dichromate or chromate, I've had some in my industry searching with no success. Beginning to wonder if its not a snipe hunt.
As for red dichromate or chromate, I've had some in my industry searching with no success. Beginning to wonder if its not a snipe hunt.
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 12:01 AM
Quote:
"Duplicolor has a clear red that might work in a pinch. "
That is what I use.
I do have the nuts plated first in clear zinc. Then use the clear red.
The plating shop I use does not do red zinc. Wish they did though.
Jules
its good i guess that it's an available color if it chips on install ?
Posted By: screamindriver
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 01:06 AM
Quote:The thinner the coat the better and then you still need to use some thin plastic{as in baggie} between the nut and socket...Krylon also has a line of the colored tints designed to be used over a silver base...It's their "X metals" line... link ...For some reason the link is'nt showing yellor or orange but I have those colors also...Quote:
"Duplicolor has a clear red that might work in a pinch. "
That is what I use.
I do have the nuts plated first in clear zinc. Then use the clear red.
The plating shop I use does not do red zinc. Wish they did though.
Jules
its good i guess that it's an available color if it chips on install ?
Posted By: AAR#2
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 01:37 AM
Thanks Guys, all good ideas and certainly I should be able to find one of them, after all were talking about nuts that are difficult at best to see, maybe more for me than anyone.
I've toyed with leaving them as is but they seem a bit weak . . . .
I've toyed with leaving them as is but they seem a bit weak . . . .
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 01:37 PM
Quote:
... after all were talking about nuts that are difficult at best to see ...
all the more reason to go the extra mile making them correct
Posted By: DPelletier
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 05:24 PM
Quote:Quote:
... after all were talking about nuts that are difficult at best to see ...
all the more reason to go the extra mile making them correct
I spent more time and money on parts that will never bee seen unless the car is taken apart. Some people said I was crazy and who would know? ....I said, *I* would know.
Dave
Posted By: Troy
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 05:30 PM
Try this...
Paint them with a off color red paint and then....while there still kinda wet, dip them in paint thinner till the paint starts to run. When there dry spray then with a flat clear paint and your done. I have done this a few times and it works very well.
Paint them with a off color red paint and then....while there still kinda wet, dip them in paint thinner till the paint starts to run. When there dry spray then with a flat clear paint and your done. I have done this a few times and it works very well.
Posted By: gtx6970
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 07:22 PM
Not all of them were red.
I pulled an original master cylinder out of a 1969 Roadrunner last year and the kepps nuts were yellow zinc,, No red plating of any kind
your mileage will vary
I pulled an original master cylinder out of a 1969 Roadrunner last year and the kepps nuts were yellow zinc,, No red plating of any kind
your mileage will vary
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 07:52 PM
Quote:
Some people said I was crazy and who would know? ...
Dave
Those people are spot on with their assessment ...
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 08:28 PM
I respectfully disagree JohnRR.
I look for little deatils when checking a car because
if those are done then anything else that the owner said he did is
most likely true. Guys that go around and say they did a " nut and bolt" restoration
and you see obvious signs of cutting corners are the ones I strongly question.
If I look under a dash and see loads of details, I am pretty sure the engine, tranny and diff
have been rebuilt properly and not just words to sugar up the car.
I am not implying that it is everybodies cup of tea to go that extra mile but it is nice to see.
For example why restores these. They usually never break and will never be seen.
Jules
I look for little deatils when checking a car because
if those are done then anything else that the owner said he did is
most likely true. Guys that go around and say they did a " nut and bolt" restoration
and you see obvious signs of cutting corners are the ones I strongly question.
If I look under a dash and see loads of details, I am pretty sure the engine, tranny and diff
have been rebuilt properly and not just words to sugar up the car.
I am not implying that it is everybodies cup of tea to go that extra mile but it is nice to see.
For example why restores these. They usually never break and will never be seen.
Jules
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 08:29 PM
Notice I did the red on the spring after it was plated clear zinc.
Jules
Jules
Posted By: DPelletier
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 09:38 PM
Quote:Quote:
Some people said I was crazy and who would know? ...
Dave
Those people are spot on with their assessment ...
Yeah, I know!
Dave
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/20/12 10:01 PM
Quote:Quote:
... after all were talking about nuts that are difficult at best to see ...
all the more reason to go the extra mile making them correct
Jules you must have skipped over this reply I made and have never read any of Dave's posts ...
...Or forgot I had you restore a wiper motor for my car which has a 99.999999999999% chance of NEVER being seen at a car show , especially with it's hood up ...
Posted By: DPelletier
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/21/12 12:14 AM
Quote:
and have never read any of Dave's posts ...
OUCH!
That's gonna leave a mark! ...I'm telling Santa!Dave
Posted By: Ron_M
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/21/12 02:44 AM
I liked the red Dykem idea. Easy enough to apply after assembly. Cleans off easy enough for re-application and it's cheap lol.
Posted By: AAR#2
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/21/12 05:14 AM
OK, so in an attempt to shed some light on things I went to a finishing guru (Special thanks to Ted Mooney), mainly because I could find no proof that red dichromate exists. Usual colors are O.D., Black, Yellow, and Clear Blue (often referred to as clear)
Thanks to Ted, I'll rest easier knowing to search for dye to replicate the look of the original hardware.
Hopefully all of you who have been unable to find Red Dichromate and have felt a bit sub standard for using another product to replicate the finish will find peace in the process you chose.
If I turn up with something outstanding I'll be sure to post up what I used and pictures.
In the mean time if your interested, here is a thread addressing the issue, near the bottom (don't get confused with the chromate for aluminum question at the top of the thread.
http://www.finishing.com/95/98.shtml
Thanks to Ted, I'll rest easier knowing to search for dye to replicate the look of the original hardware.
Hopefully all of you who have been unable to find Red Dichromate and have felt a bit sub standard for using another product to replicate the finish will find peace in the process you chose.
If I turn up with something outstanding I'll be sure to post up what I used and pictures.
In the mean time if your interested, here is a thread addressing the issue, near the bottom (don't get confused with the chromate for aluminum question at the top of the thread.
http://www.finishing.com/95/98.shtml
Posted By: AAR#2
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/21/12 05:20 AM
Quote:
I liked the red Dykem idea. Easy enough to apply after assembly. Cleans off easy enough for re-application and it's cheap lol.
Yes sir, red dykem will be one of the first attempts
Posted By: bremotorsports
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/28/12 12:20 PM
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The prototypes of these nuts turned out well, so shipments will begin in about one week. #6028751-P4R
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www.billrolikenterprises.com
201-394-5533 Cellular
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Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/28/12 06:38 PM
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Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/28/12 08:02 PM
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Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/29/12 01:28 AM
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www.billrolikenterprises.com
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Posted By: kentj340
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/29/12 02:37 AM
Quote:
OK, so in an attempt to shed some light on things I went to a finishing guru (Special thanks to Ted Mooney), mainly because I could find no proof that red dichromate exists. Usual colors are O.D., Black, Yellow, and Clear Blue (often referred to as clear)
Thanks to Ted, I'll rest easier knowing to search for dye to replicate the look of the original hardware.
Hopefully all of you who have been unable to find Red Dichromate and have felt a bit sub standard for using another product to replicate the finish will find peace in the process you chose.
If I turn up with something outstanding I'll be sure to post up what I used and pictures.
In the mean time if your interested, here is a thread addressing the issue, near the bottom (don't get confused with the chromate for aluminum question at the top of the thread.
http://www.finishing.com/95/98.shtml
As stated in your link, I used red indelible marker on yellow chromated nuts with very good results. This was done for the wiper arm pivot nuts that are inside the car. For nuts on the exterior, an exposure test might be needed.
Also, a brown indelible marker on yellow chromated works well for seat belt bolts as a substitute for brown chromate. But again, these are inside the car.
I've also used the brown indelible marker on bare stainless or blue chromated (clear zinc) screws in the dash to duplicate the original brown chromate with good results. Again, these are inside the car.
Posted By: AAR#2
Re: Brake Nuts, Red Color - 12/29/12 03:03 AM
I tried a few things on some cheap hardware, decided that the Dupli-color Metal Cast Red had the best look (applied lightly) and went with it on my original re-plated hardware.