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71 Demon J54 sport hood question
Posted By: Choppintime
71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 05:13 PM
Wondering if the "Dodge" insignia was on the front of the hood ala the flat hoods when the hood had the dual scoop hood option?
Anyone have any pictures?
Thanks - Chris
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 05:43 PM
Posted By: Choppintime
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 05:55 PM
Thanks, guess my question wasn't that clear - although you did throw a monkey wrench in it with that photo.
I have a 70 Dart hood - has the "Dodge" insignia dead center in the front. Looks like the Dodge insignia is drivers side front and a different type on the 71 Demon.
I'm also assuming the hoods are the same and interchange.......
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 06:00 PM
Cool pic but you can't use factory promo pics like that as restoration reference, they often show airbrushed items and other non typical combos that never made it into production....Like the 1970 style light Argent center caps on that 71 Demon for example
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 06:21 PM
He asked for photos, so I shared one, the only one I have.
Hopefully other folks have more for him.
Posted By: Choppintime
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 06:52 PM
Well, from what I can gather the 71 Demon didn't have the Dodge scripted emblem in the center of the hood. I just asked as I scored a dart hood. Has the 'holes' for the pins in that center area. Looks like the Demons were sans the emblem in center or drivers side front from photos I've seen.
Thanks -
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 07:24 PM
This one is original
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 07:25 PM
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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 07:25 PM
So is this one (albiet, wrong center caps)
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 07:26 PM
Not certain but I'm pretty sure this one is as well
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/15/12 07:49 PM
I did a little more digging.
The 1970-71 collision parts book for Dart hood lists;
Nameplate "Dodge" 71 all (models) part number 2965502
The 1970-71 parts book shows the same number.
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 12:31 AM
mine has them and a pic dated 1975 of mine looks to have something there but the pic is poor. Like everything with Chrysler there are exceptions.
Posted By: pinkduster
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 03:03 AM
So you are saying if the car has the hood scoops there is no "Dodge" emblem on the driver's side. My 71 (no scoops) has/had the emblem on the driver's side. It's currently missing, but I can see exactly where it was. Just wondering if this emblem is reproduced.(?)
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 03:21 AM
Is your car a Dart or a Demon? and are you 100% certain it's the original hood to the car?
Posted By: pinkduster
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 03:24 AM
71 Demon 340
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 03:26 AM
Are any of the three cars above in original paint?
It looks like the black one has the holes at center for the older emblem.
Was the 1971 style adhesive only? (no pins)
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 03:39 AM
No Barry, none of them, and for that reason they are not worthy as reference original, just a few examples of original J54 cars (that appear) to be correct, although I can't vouch for the black one. The black one belongs to Izzy in Florida, I believe Dave Dudek restored it for him. I recall a thread a couple years ago discussing the same thing. I think I recall some discussion about them using a Dart replacement hood and some question as to the center emblem placement being correct on a Demon or not. As far as the orange and yellow cars above, both have original hoods to the cars, niether has evidence of holes for an emblem so if they did have them they were the stick on style.
Posted By: KISSAlien
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 04:13 AM
I don't have that many A-body pics, but the 3 cars I found didn't have an emblem. No idea how original any of them are.
Posted By: moparfan53
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 04:20 AM
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Was the 1971 style adhesive only? (no pins)
The thread below has an engineering illustration showing the emblem is adhesive. The topic is Challenger trunk emblem, however it is the same part# as the Dart/Demon hood emblem. There is also info about differences in the emblems that are currently available.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...amp;Search=true
Posted By: demonH1B
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 03:24 PM
The GY3 car is very well presented, correct imo.
The red car, I would need to see documentation on the body colored
scoops, the chrome scoop bezels and the missing black-out hood
treatment. The body colored scoops, chrome bezels and add 340
emblems - would be correct only for '70 Swinger 340's.
I agree with the emblem delete on the performance hood.
Posted By: NV69B7RR
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 03:45 PM
To illustrate the point Scott was making, heres the same Demon from the Scat Pack brochure, no emblem.
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 04:37 PM
you cant go by any of the old dodge advertising photos, here are a few that show emblems and fender decals air brushed, also a 1070 chicago auto show car with the hood blacked out different than the adds.
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 04:37 PM
pic 2
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Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 04:39 PM
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Posted By: pinkduster
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 05:10 PM
My Demon had the emblem on the driver's side. I have never bothered to clean off the remains of the adhesive. I believe the hood and paint are original. I know that it's been repainted from the stripes down at least twice.
Posted By: pinkduster
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 05:27 PM
I believe this car is supposed to be a survivor. I know, like mine, it's not equipped with the sport hood option, but it does show placement of the emblem.
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 05:31 PM
Here is a pic of my demon j54 car from may 1975, it sure looks like there is a emblem on the drivers side. this is a scanned photo from the original that the owner still has, he had the car from 1973 to 79 notice the hood blackout does not have the border and also the inner upper doors are also matte black. the car was painted about a year after he sold it. i Guess i should get in touch with him and ask him to view his original photo and also to dig way back and try to remember. BTW this was an SPD April 2.
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Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 05:46 PM
here it is now 41 years later with the paint job from 1980. has pin type emblem, hard to tell!!! the hood pins and 340 4bbl emblems were added in 1980 also
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Posted By: VL21
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/16/12 06:07 PM
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This one is original
I have a friend with one nearly identical to that one. Has had it since early eighties. Been parked for years. Sometimes inside. Not sure of black hood, but has scoops and pins I believe.
Definitely not in that condition tho! A/C car I think.
I think it has all its original sheetmetal, next weekend if he is home I will try to get a look at it.
Posted By: cdp
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/17/12 04:14 AM
GSS car, and a supposedly original car in Springfield, MO.
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/17/12 03:24 PM
Well the emblems were used on some of the demons with sport hoods. If you look at December 2011 Muscle car review page 16&17 the muscle car review, it shows Mr Norm standing with a demon picked up by Steve Green for a story published in may of 71. The Demon has the emblem and also the blackout without the border. So maybe towards the end of the 71 run they were using them along with a different stencil for the hood paint (i would bet that demon has a SPD after january), or maybe the emblem was used on vinyl top cars, or ones that had the rallye wheels or or....?????
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/17/12 03:55 PM
Yea ademon..
We are definately still in the discovery phase of this subject.
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/17/12 04:03 PM
Yes this will be a "some demons had them some didn't"
Posted By: pinkduster
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/17/12 05:13 PM
Off Alaskan T/As site:
B5 blue unrestored 71 Demon with scoops and hood black out This car is clearly original paint. Used to be owned by a friend of mine here in PA. He bought it in the early 80s from the original owner.
Posted By: NV69B7RR
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/18/12 01:15 AM
Its like the trunklid emblems on 72 Demons, some say Dodge, some say Dodge Dart.
Or the Plymouth emblem on 71 Duster trunk lids, some have it some don't.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 04/18/12 02:03 AM
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Off Alaskan T/As site:
B5 blue unrestored 71 Demon with scoops and hood black out
This car is clearly original paint. Used to be owned by a friend of mine here in PA. He bought it in the early 80s from the original owner.
Same car 'done' at the bottom of that page also, it looks like someone forgot to put it back on.
Posted By: RTshaker
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 06/11/12 07:38 PM
What is the correct paint scheme for J54 in 71 and what about the border strip yes or no ? So may variations!!!! and does the j54 include the hood pins .
Posted By: ozz383
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 06/12/12 02:27 AM
here is one that got away from me,its original paint in this pic knew this car for a long time. ozz
Posted By: ozz383
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 06/12/12 02:28 AM
if you look close you can see where the emblem was
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 06/12/12 02:39 AM
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if you look close you can see where the emblem was
Also notice the hood bezels are chrome and so is the (base model) D. side mirror. I have noticed that original cars with painted sport mirrors and/or hood blackout also had black scoop bezels while those with no blackout and/chrome mirrors had chrome bezels.
The problem is that so many of the smaller details on the A-body cars have been added or changed by thier owners that many of the smaller details are lost in time, very few unmolested examples still exist to study.
Posted By: moparfan53
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 06/12/12 02:50 AM
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...and does the j54 include the hood pins .
The hood pins (option code J45) were a separate option from the J54 scoops/black hood. Below is that section of the 71 dealer price list.
Posted By: ozz383
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 06/12/12 02:50 AM
not sure where this car ended up. I heard florida? it should have been in my garage.I have all the fender tag info somewhere but havent located it yet. not sure if I have broadcast sheet copy or not its been to long and ive tried to forget about it. 340 4-speed orange and black interior,bench seat it was a really cool car. ozz
Posted By: EL5 71
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 03:41 PM
Pic from one of my magazines. This one is my favorate color and it looks like the stripes are done like that auto show car. A little longer. Dodge emblem is there also. I think the cowl area is black, it's just the sun reflecting off the grilles making it look painted. I'll dig out the issue and check to be sure. Eddie
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 03:55 PM
That Road Test car appears to have either been modified or is possibly a pilot car that differed somewhat from a regular production version. Look at the cowl blackout.
Posted By: EL5 71
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 04:11 PM
That's what I was sayin above Scott, I'm gonna dig out the magazine road test to see if it's actually blacked out or not. If I remember right, it was just the sun's reflection off the blacked out grilles on the cowl. Eddie
Posted By: EL5 71
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 04:14 PM
It's also equipeed with the correct for 71 spoiler on the deck lid. Most Pilot 71 cars with the spoiler have the leftover 1970 style spoiler being that they were produced so early. A strange machine for sure, but definitely cool!
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 04:40 PM
Then of course there are those alloy wheels.
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 04:45 PM
The dodge emblem is really low on the hood, and it appears to be missing the 340 decal on the side.
Posted By: EL5 71
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 04:49 PM
I think they look great!! I'll bet it was one of those P.R. cars that got bounced around from magazine to magazine for tests and photos. Probably picked up those wheels along the way. I'm a 71 B Body guy so i never actually read the article....yet. I will in the next few days though and I'll post what I find. Or just the whole road test. Might say something about the installation of those rims.
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 04:57 PM
Mr Norm standing with a demon picked up by Steve Green for a story published in may of 71. The Demon has the emblem and also the blackout without the border.
Posted By: EL5 71
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 04:59 PM
At First I thought the one on the cover might be this car, but it's not. This one looks to me like a pre-production unit. Cool photo though...in color no less.
Posted By: EL5 71
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 05:05 PM
That's an awesome pic Mike!! I noticed that one doesn't have the small border stripe around the backout areas. Oh great, I probably just opened a can of worms. lol
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 05:15 PM
Na, there is a lot of variations, my demon didn't have the border and I've seen others that didn't. Also my emblem is the pin type where most seem to be stick on, although I have seen a few pin types that the owners say were original. Nothing is set in stone. There are a lot of other gray areas with 71 like engine color, type of bucket seats, seat belts, 71 had a lot of running changes.
Posted By: EL5 71
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 05:37 PM
You got that right... I find all kinds of variations on the 71 B Bodies also. I have a pretty big collection of vintage car magazines from 70 and 71. I'll check for more Demon related stuff. Eddie
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/10/15 05:49 PM
There were certainly plant to plant changes and running changes, orange to blue engines, etc.
Posted By: 340wedge
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/11/15 02:54 AM
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That's an awesome pic Mike!! I noticed that one doesn't have the small border stripe around the backout areas. Oh great, I probably just opened a can of worms. lol
I looked at the pic a few times and just realized, it was mine from 2007! When I was selling the Demon poster. I recognized my wife's yardstick.LOL
Posted By: EL5 71
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/11/15 03:32 AM
Lol... yes, I remember asking you if you still had one of the photos I could purchase from you. I think you said you had already sold it. So I right clicked and saved the image you posted. It's the only one I've ever seen. Very cool pic. Eddie
Posted By: EL5 71
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/11/15 08:12 PM
Well, it turns out that my memory sucks!! lol The cover Demon is not even the same Demon that they are road testing. Still a great article though. And yes, if you copy and save this first cover shot of the EL5 Demon to your computer and then make it bigger, it does in fact have the 340 decal on the fender. you really need to look close. From that far away, that Butterscotch color washes it out. Eddie
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Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/12/15 12:03 AM
I have that abbreviated artical that ran in muscle car review in 91. Yours has a few more pics!! That demon is exactly like mine interior wise. Mine doesn't have the border on the hood blackout, and bumper guards, I do have the full black vinyl top. Cool !!!
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/12/15 01:14 AM
Great article, thanks for posting. I'm gonna call that car either pilot car (likely specifically an "advertising" car) or a very early production car. It has what appears to be an orange engine, and the 70 style light argent center caps, it also has an unpainted bypass hose which is typical of a specially assembled engine (pre production, etc.).
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/12/15 01:29 AM
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Great article, thanks for posting. I'm gonna call that car either pilot car (likely specifically an "advertising" car) or a very early production car. It has what appears to be an orange engine, and the 70 style light argent center caps, it also has an unpainted bypass hose which is typical of a specially assembled engine (pre production, etc.).
Not to mention the "340" decal placement. And rear tail stripe.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/12/15 01:32 AM
Yep!
Posted By: EL5 71
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/12/15 06:57 AM
No problem at all. I knew you guys would like the article. Some of the info is not 100% correct but the photos do say alot. I actually tried to attatch the photos bigger and clearer but it wouldn't let me because they were over the limit.
Posted By: stew
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/13/15 08:07 AM
In the magazine article, where it shows the engine, to the left, it states the new 340 is available as a 4v or triple 2v. If only it was in '71...
Posted By: ademon
Re: 71 Demon J54 sport hood question - 02/13/15 04:36 PM
Ya they refer to the 340 as Chryslers newest engine? Is the master cyl a disc type? Best cruise 72mph?
Wish they would have had the triple 2 as a option, would have probably been a sub 14sec car with a 3.91 !