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Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange

Posted By: Devil

Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/03/11 09:53 PM

I recently found this car below. I would usually save it until I did a blog about it. But I don't have the time. What do you guys think about the rarity of such a vehicle? Been sitting in a barn for 25 years he said. It isn't for sale, but I am trying to get information on the car for him.

E61 383-2 Barrel
D32 H-D A-727 TorqueFlite Trans / Some Years A-998

JM23
J = Dodge Challenger
M = Medium

23 = 2 Door Hardtop
L05

L = 383 290HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL
0 = 1970
5 = Los Angeles, CA, USA

FK5
Paint Code: Dark Burnt Orange Metallic
Deep Burnt Orange Iri
H5K4
Trim Grade/Style/Color
H = High
5 = Cloth and Vinyl Bucket Seats
K4 = Burnt Orange
000 Upper Door Frame: Full Door Panel
C22 Date Built: 12 / 22 / 1969
023979 Order Number: 023979
V1X Roof Type OR Color: Full Vinyl Top - Black
A01 Light Package
A62 Rallye Instrument Cluster
B51 Power Assisted Brakes
C16 Console w/ Buckets
C55 Bucket Seats
C62 Left Hand 6-Way Manual Adjustable Bucket
G33 Left Hand Outside Mirror - Manual / Chrome
H51 Single Air /w Heater
L31 Hood / Fender Mount Turn Signal
M21 Roof Drip Rail Moldings
N85 Tachometer
R11 Music Master Radio AM
V5X Black - Mouldings - Protective Insert Body Side
Y05 Built to U.S. Specifactations
28 Unknown At This Time
EN1 End of Codes Assembly Line 1















Ryan
Posted By: b54406barrel

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/03/11 10:08 PM

I'm guessing Barry or Kiss Alien will know the stats on those but not that common I would think. A few years ago, a friend of mine (Chevy guy) went to buy a 465 yamaha & found this in the shop with it. Think he paid $3-4K for it & doubled his money on a sale were it went to Europe. Pretty color combo.

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/03/11 10:50 PM

JH23
J = Dodge Challenger
H = HIGH

23 = 2 Door Hardtop
L0B or E (first digit of VIN sequence number 1=E or 2=B?)

L = 383 290HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL
0 = 1970
B = Hamtramck, MI or E = Los Angeles, CA, USA

26 = 26" radiator

The vinyl/cloth interior, 6-way, rallye cluster elevate this from your average 383 2bbl non-SE Challenger.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 01:41 AM

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5 = Los Angeles, CA, USA



It is actually a B for Hamtramck. The EN1 / EN2 codes are one way to tell, LA used END.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 01:47 AM

This one is the second JH23L0 car from Hamtramck that I have heard of so far with FK5 & H5K4.

I am quite sure that this number will go up as more cars are recorded.
Posted By: Devil

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 02:40 AM

very cool, thank you for the information. I don't intend to tell the guy it is very rare/desirable. He just was wondering how many of these are hanging around.

He also has a 72 Challenger sitting across from it. And a 68 Hemi Charger 4-speed car.

Ryan
Posted By: migsBIG

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 09:30 AM

I've had 4 1970 challengers Bo on BO, and have seen a bit more over the years. Most folks in the 1980's-90's converted alot of the interiors over to black when they got worn or replaced. Nice color, would be a fun builder car.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 05:34 PM

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I've had 4 1970 challengers Bo on BO, and have seen a bit more over the years. Most folks in the 1980's-90's converted alot of the interiors over to black when they got worn or replaced. Nice color, would be a fun builder car.



Not particularly rare.

And actually seems not that desirable. I don't mind the color but it tends not to excite and even turn people away from a car for sale.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 07:15 PM

I bought one that was a 318 three speed stick car to convert into a six pak clone car, I ended up selling it to a college professor before it was done I did get to finish it and dirve it some, lots of fun, 440 six pak with a 18 spline tranny and dana 60 with 3:54 gears on BF Goodrich darg radials, with the road race rear springs and big torsion bars and sway bars front and rear All of the interior including the door panels where shot, I replace them all with Legendary parts, the car ended up with Hemi orange paint and a Black R/T interior
Posted By: Devil

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 08:32 PM

It is an odd combination. I am sure the guy will be interested to know that a few exist like it. Not like it is going anywhere anytime soon.

Thanks

Ryan
Posted By: Mastershake340

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 08:52 PM

When I bought my convertible I wasn't all that excited about the color combination. However, after searching for a nice Challenger convertible off and on for 5 years at that time, I had decided beggers can't be choosers.
Burnt orange has grown on me since then. In addition to the vert, I now have a '71 Challenger in dark autumn bronze which is a similar color. I like my B5 '09 but sort of wish I'd waited for toxic orange!
In the meantime, my F5 red T/A project is hard for me to get excited about as there are so many red Challengers out there. And purple, bright green etc. These colors are starting to get boring to me after seeing so many E bodies painted in these hues. Part of what got me into Mopars was being unique and not following the crowd.
I wish my vert had those cloth seats instead of vinyl!

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Posted By: Kowal

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 09:32 PM

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Not particularly rare.

And actually seems not that desirable. I don't mind the color but it tends not to excite and even turn people away from a car for sale.



I agree completely. Though it may be a little unusual, I have seen more than a few and with the 383 2bbl it really isn't all that desireable. Good car to turn in to a restomod or a "day two" street rod.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 09:37 PM

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When I bought my convertible I wasn't all that excited about the color combination. However, after searching for a nice Challenger convertible off and on for 5 years at that time, I had decided beggers can't be choosers.
Burnt orange has grown on me since then. In addition to the vert, I now have a '71 Challenger in dark autumn bronze which is a similar color. I like my B5 '09 but sort of wish I'd waited for toxic orange!
In the meantime, my F5 red T/A project is hard for me to get excited about as there are so many red Challengers out there. And purple, bright green etc. These colors are starting to get boring to me after seeing so many E bodies painted in these hues. Part of what got me into Mopars was being unique and not following the crowd.
I wish my vert had those cloth seats instead of vinyl!



Beggers can't be chosers! The people that hold out for one certain particular car and color scheme tend to overpay and get bad quality cars.

Especially the ones just getting into the hobby. I've seen newbies pass up cars that would fit thier experiance perfectly. But because they wanted a particular model, color, year, etc., they ended up with a messed up money pit that was too much project for thier own good.
Posted By: Devil

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/04/11 10:27 PM

That's true, that is why I built the car I wanted. Frak the numbers! If I ever get a 70 Hemi Cuda body... I'm putting in a 170 /6 with 3-speed manual.

Ryan
Posted By: JDMopar

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/05/11 03:36 AM

FK5 is my favorite color My 70 A66 is FK5 with black interior. The JH23JOB I've been trying to buy for 30 years is FK5 FK5. I lost track of it 3 years ago, but I found it's new place of residence today....and verified it's there! Since it's one of them "I'm gonna fix it up one day" cars, I gotta try and catch the crackhead (seriously)at the right time to buy it!
Posted By: denfireguy

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/05/11 03:24 PM

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That's true, that is why I built the car I wanted. Frak the numbers! If I ever get a 70 Hemi Cuda body... I'm putting in a 170 /6 with 3-speed manual.

Ryan

I have a one barrel carb for it when you start to build it.
Craig
Posted By: Devil

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/05/11 05:20 PM

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That's true, that is why I built the car I wanted. Frak the numbers! If I ever get a 70 Hemi Cuda body... I'm putting in a 170 /6 with 3-speed manual.

Ryan

I have a one barrel carb for it when you start to build it.
Craig



Sounds good to me, I'll keep that in mind.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/05/11 08:08 PM

FK5 is one of my favorite colors, and I especially like the orange interior. Personally, I wouldn't let color sway me much one way or another, but I would tend to avoid FC7, FM3, and FJ5.....not a huge fan of FE5, either; any of those colors with a black interior is WAY overdone.



My favorites are EF8, FK5, EB7, EB3, FY4 and EW1.



Dave
Posted By: Devil

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/07/11 05:41 PM

Thanks guys, I am going to meet up with the guy tomorrow and talk about the car. You know I do need a new daily driver Challenger... hum....

Ryan
Posted By: 70440+6bbl

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/07/11 06:16 PM

I have seen loads of of burnt orange+burnt orange '70 Challengers over the years. It is a very classy looking combo and that is why it sold so well.
Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/07/11 11:54 PM

I know of a fully loaded RT/SE in that color here around Fresno. 440/727/AC/power windows/leather/etc.
Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/08/11 02:17 PM

There's no way to tell how many Burnt Orange on Burnt Orange Challengers were built. According to Galen's numbers there were approximately 457 base Challenger built to US specs made with the interior. (Base Challengers include all the 340 cars too).

According to the Color and Trim Selector this interior was recommended with only 5 colors. Burnt Orange, Go Mango, Black, White, and Beige.

So probably not incredibly rare (I've seen a few) but not incredibly common either. I've seen the interior on all the colors mentioned except Beige, though I think I've seen Beige with a Burnt Orange vinyl interior.
Posted By: gomangoRTSE

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/09/11 04:32 AM

My RT/SE is GoMango with a Burnt Orange interior. Originally the interior color just didnt appeal to me. And albeit the RT/SE cars didnt come with the White leather interior, I went ahead and bought white as I liked the look. My car came with no stripes and with a white vinyl top car originally. I may put a bumble bee stripe, Im not sure.

Now as a few years have passed by and my car isnt finished, I have seen alot of burnt orange interior cars, and doggone if the color combo hasnt grown on me. Then there is the "original thing" with keeping the car the original Gomango with Burnt orange interior. I dont especially dig black dashes, I mean their ok but I have always liked cars that came with colors different from the standard black interior.
Posted By: Devil

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/10/11 05:02 AM

Unfortunately the guy got busy and I never went over the car with him. I told him over the phone what I learned and he was pleased. I informed him it was a cool combo, it wasn't super rare but not very common. A R/T without being and R/T.

Ryan
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/10/11 07:15 AM

A single-2bbl single-exhaust R/T, I think NOT!
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/10/11 07:17 AM

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A single-2bbl single-exhaust R/T, I think NOT!



Not coded for that hood either...
Posted By: Devil

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/10/11 04:46 PM

Ok... well it is a Big Block... That's R/T-ish.
Posted By: floorit426

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/10/11 07:45 PM


My Wife's first car was a T/A, with this combo and an alligator top. We absolutely HATED the combination, but I would absolutely love to find this car again. It's amazing how a few, actually many, years changes one's outlook!
Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/10/11 08:17 PM

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My Wife's first car was a T/A, with this combo and an alligator top. We absolutely HATED the combination, but I would absolutely love to find this car again. It's amazing how a few, actually many, years changes one's outlook!



Got any pictures?
Posted By: HPMike

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/10/11 10:59 PM

I had an FK5/FK5 stripe delete U code, 4 speed, Super Track Pack Challenger. Had it for more than 20 years. Sold it last year. Stunning combo, IMO. Beats the hell out of all the Lime green,purple, and hemi orange that everyone paints every Mopar on the planet in.

MB

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Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/11/11 01:20 AM

Do you have a record of the VIN?

I only know of two T/As this color with burnt orange interiors (vinyl) with Gator tops so far.
Posted By: floorit426

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/11/11 06:24 PM


That's a sore subject. Some months ago, I tried to find old paperwork that would help me, as I am trying to find this car. It's been thirty years and I would like to see if this car still exists and might be available. I could not find so much as a license plate #.

I am working on getting a picture posted.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/12/11 01:54 AM

I see you are in CA, one of the two I know is from there.

Do you know what options it had?

Transmission, console or not, radio type, etc?
Posted By: floorit426

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/12/11 04:26 AM

The car was an automatic trans, with an a.m. radio, rally dash, steel wheels with dog dish hubcaps and trim rings. Here are a couple of pics. I know the black and white does not tell much, but I think it's a cool pic. That's my wife racing her friend. The other is with her Dad, a real ham, shortly after she bought it circa 1978. Rally wheels and the correct hood were added later. The hood was one of the last ones available from Chrysler.

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Posted By: floorit426

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/12/11 04:30 AM

Here's the second picture.

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Posted By: moparmarks

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/12/11 05:57 AM

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I know of a fully loaded RT/SE in that color here around Fresno. 440/727/AC/power windows/leather/etc.


Would that be a sun roof car Jim? Could years ago was at Ed Briggs shop and he was finishing up an awesome RT/SE that loaded to the gills.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/12/11 06:40 AM

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I know of a fully loaded RT/SE in that color here around Fresno. 440/727/AC/power windows/leather/etc.


Would that be a sun roof car Jim? Could years ago was at Ed Briggs shop and he was finishing up an awesome RT/SE that loaded to the gills.



Was that painted purple at one time. Julius sold him a sun roof car once. IIRC, it was painted purple.
Posted By: moparmarks

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/12/11 07:17 AM

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I know of a fully loaded RT/SE in that color here around Fresno. 440/727/AC/power windows/leather/etc.


Would that be a sun roof car Jim? Could years ago was at Ed Briggs shop and he was finishing up an awesome RT/SE that loaded to the gills.



Was that painted purple at one time. Julius sold him a sun roof car once. IIRC, it was painted purple.



No think Ed still has that one. The orange one was a customer's car that he was working on.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 01:38 AM

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The car was an automatic trans, with an a.m. radio, rally dash,



Interesting, the CA car I know of is a possible match then.

I can contact the owner to see if he would like to compare notes with you if you like?


Great photos also, got anymore?

I would love to add those to the page at http://www.challengertaregistry.com/vintage.html if it is OK with you?
Posted By: floorit426

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 03:22 AM

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The car was an automatic trans, with an a.m. radio, rally dash,



Interesting, the CA car I know of is a possible match then.

I can contact the owner to see if he would like to compare notes with you if you like?


Great photos also, got anymore?

I would love to add those to the page at http://www.challengertaregistry.com/vintage.html if it is OK with you?



Feel free to use the pics, if you want. I have attached one more.

I would love to talk to the current owner, if possible. I tried to p.m. my contact info, but was not able to.

Thanks,
Bill

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Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 03:34 AM

Cool, thanks!

I have PMs blocked because I prefer email. Give me a minute & I will contact you.......

Barry
Posted By: moparbroz

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:01 AM

I found this car in a friend of a friends garage buried under a bunch of junk and boxes. He painted it and applied the hood treatment and then lost interest. I looked at the VIN and almost lost it. JS27N0. I crawled under the passenger side to look at the engine rail above the oil pan and the almost lost it again when I saw that the numbers matched. Spent about three years working on her and then decided to sell it when my wife got deathly ill (took time off work unpaid). Miss that car. Fender tag detailed that it came from the factory with a white top and longitudal stripe. The hood treatment was already black and the new top was installed before I bought the car so I left it FK5 and black.

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Posted By: moparbroz

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:02 AM

How I found it.

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Posted By: moparbroz

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:03 AM

Another how I found it pic.

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Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:04 AM

Progress

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Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:05 AM

Progress 2

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Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:06 AM

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Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:07 AM

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Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:09 AM

He11, even I have owned an FK5/burned orange interior 70 Challenger, must not be rare at all if I had one...
Posted By: moparbroz

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:09 AM

My buddy Troy

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Posted By: moparbroz

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:10 AM

Done! Miss her.

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Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:11 AM

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Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:12 AM

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Posted By: moparbroz

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:13 AM

Numbers match!

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Posted By: moparbroz

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:14 AM

Fender tag. 1970 FK5 R/T Challenger.

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Posted By: Devil

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 04:24 AM

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He11, even I have owned an FK5/burned orange interior 70 Challenger, must not be rare at all if I had one...



I guess so! Must be more common then I thought!

Ryan
Posted By: SomeCarGuy

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 05:41 AM

I also had a Fk5/Fk5 70 model. Bought it from the original owner.
Posted By: FK5

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 06:15 AM

I like FK5 too! I have a U-code '70 'cuda with a 4 speed and black leather. Dad is the original owner. I have to go through it. It's been sitting way too long.
Posted By: MRVCODE

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 07:21 PM

My heap.
Posted By: moparbroz

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 08:01 PM

Those wheels and dog dishes look awesome!
Posted By: MRVCODE

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 08:17 PM

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Those wheels and dog dishes look awesome!


Thanks...I love it with a Shaker
Posted By: Devil

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 08:17 PM

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Those wheels and dog dishes look awesome!



I agree, looks awesome.

Maybe I should try and get the 70 and the 72 in there....

Ryan
Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: Rarity? 70 Challenger Burnt Orange/Burnt Orange - 10/13/11 08:24 PM

Love that color combo. My brother-in-law had a '70 Challenger burnt orange/burnt orange with a 318, auto, and luggage rack. Loved that car, he sold it a long time ago way too cheap.
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