Posted By: Kern Dog
Help me pick a gear ratio.... - 05/13/11 05:01 AM
I have a 1970 Charger with a 440/493 mill. 10.8 to one compression, Edelbrock 84 cc heads, 2" TTI headers with a full 2.5" exhaust system. MP 292/509 cam. 727 with a 3000 stall converter. Car is 3850 lbs + driver. I had been running a 4.10 in the 8.75 axle for years but recently swapped in 3.23s for the summers car show season. Eventually I intend to install a Gear Vendors unit.
I took the 4.10 chunk in to my axle guy because it had some whine to it. If the gears are going bad, I will possibly change the ratio. I like the idea of going with less gear, but I dont want to lose much of the "out of the hole" punch. Mopar Actions Road Runner also has a 493, and they were able to squeeze high 11s with a 3.23 gear. Testing several ratios would take too much time and money. Any suggestions?
Posted By: mercman1
Re: Help me pick a gear ratio.... - 05/13/11 05:20 AM
I run a similar 440/493 with eddy heads, pump gas 11.4 compression, SD intake HP 1000 carb, 2inch TTIs with 3 inch exhaust. total street car drive anywhere and has run a best of 10.84 with 3.73 @ 3960lbs. I use a 275/50 Hoosier DR at the track and for a street tire run a 28 inch tall Firestone Indy 500 275/60, 70 -75 mph easy on interstate. Hope you have a dana..... You have the weight and power to break a 8&3/4!
Posted By: Von
Re: Help me pick a gear ratio.... - 05/13/11 05:24 AM
What tire you runnin?
I agree with the 3.73 if using 28s. Taller tire=3.91s-4.10.
If you have it set on kill, 4.10s all the way.
Posted By: dOc …
Re: Help me pick a gear ratio.... - 05/13/11 05:32 AM
F-berri ..... THINK about it this-way. As many miles as you put on your car ... how many of those miles benefit from that stiff gear ?
MILES ? ... how about measuring it in FEET !!
I have a car that is lighter than yours ...a 62 Belevedere with lotsA' fiberglass ...and have a 2.76 gear in it and I LOVE IT.
SURE the car doesn't gate that hard(1.82 vs 1.65) .... but with a shorter gear ... those "100-roll" shots are fun .....
And you will love that MPG.
Posted By: Kern Dog
Re: Help me pick a gear ratio.... - 05/13/11 06:45 AM
Sorry, I forgot to list the tire!
295 45 18 Approx 27.5 tall. I have a 3.91 Chunk in another car I could try. I really like the feel I get from the 4.10 gears, but if swapping to a 3.91 or 3.73 wouldn't cost me much in terms of performance, the gain in lower rpms at cruising speed would surely be nice. I know theres no set formula to the gain/loss of ratio changes. These 3.23 gears feel great on the freeway but I can't guage the performance from a stop because it lacks a Sure Grip. It sure feels slower though. Over the winter if funds allow, I may switch back to the Comp XE285 cam. This will help boost the lower end as well as soften the choppy idle.
Posted By: Pyper70
Re: Help me pick a gear ratio.... - 05/13/11 10:00 AM
If you leave the 3.23's in there and you put the GVO unit you will be driving with a 2.43 (around there) in final gear. You'll get great gas mileage but I fear you wont the engine rpms will be super low on the freeway at that speed. I have 3.55s with a 28" tire...at 80mph with the GVO engaged I am doing about 2600rpm...without I am doing about 3500. With the 3.55s my final ratio is 2.76
Posted By: The_Mean_Machine
Re: Help me pick a gear ratio.... - 05/13/11 10:20 AM
if you are going to install a GV overdrive I would go to 3.55:1 or 3.76:1 ratio
Posted By: 70Cuda383
Re: Help me pick a gear ratio.... - 05/13/11 12:12 PM
I guess I don't mind RPM... with an OD trans set-up, I'd look at going back to the 3.90-4.10 range with shorter car tires. my Dakota has a 3.92 gear set, 28.5" tires, and it only spins around 2500 rpm down the freeway. (OD is only around .75)
my TKO big block set up had a 4.56 rear gear for awesome off the line pull, yet with the .64 OD 5th gear, it was also only doing about 2500 rpm at highway speeds.
I had a 3.23 set up with that high of an OD, and was "idling" at 1800 rpm down the freeway, and with the cam I have, I was lugging the engine and it was NOT smooth to drive till I got up around 75MPH
Hey, Doc, I know you keep bragging about your 12 sec car that gets great MPGs with 2.76 gears. have you ever considered that half the argument is in all the glass parts on the car? your car weighs significantly LESS than the average A-body.
I think weight has more to do with MPGs than engine size or gear ratio. I'll go back to the Dakota's to illustrate this-- a 3.9L dakota gets 16-18 MPGs. a 5.9L dakota gets 15-17 MPGs. why do 2 engines, WAY different in size, get similar MPGs? what's the same? vehicle weight and aero. the hp needed to move 4,000 lbs through the air is the same regardless of the engine size, and to generate that Hp, you have to burn X lbs of fuel/hr. doesn't matter if you're burning it in 6 cylinders or 8...it's the same total amount.
Posted By: Kern Dog
Re: Help me pick a gear ratio.... - 05/13/11 04:05 PM
Another consideration is the 3000 rpm stall speed of the converter. I know that this car can never be a fuel sipper, but I wonder if I need to target a freeway rpm somewhere near the stall speed to avoid cooking the trans? The 3.23 set spins the motor (Or the other way around) at about 2600 at 65. Maybe the "final drive" with the GV should be near 3.23. With this in mind, the GV has an OD ratio od .78. The 4.10 X .78 is 3.20 while the 3.91 X .78 is 3.05.
What are your thoughts on cruising UNDER the converter stall speed? It seems that the motor might act a little lazy and inefficient.
Posted By: gch
Re: Help me pick a gear ratio.... - 05/13/11 07:39 PM
3.55 gear would do it for me.