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Weird problem..oil pump regulator??

Posted By: Wolfe440

Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/25/11 05:25 PM

I have a 440 that usually runs with 30-35lbs of oil pressure at idle and anything above around 1500rpm the pressure goes right to 80lbs or more.

What's weird is in the last couple of days its now running at 80lbs at idle and 80lbs or a bit more at any rpm above that, hardly any difference in oil pressure across a range of rpm's. I am reading this on a mechanical gauge straight off the rear of the block. I hooked up a spare gauge and its giving me the same exact readings. Very weird.
Could this be an oil pump regulator? Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Wolfe
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/25/11 06:50 PM

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I have a 440 that usually runs with 30-35lbs of oil pressure at idle and anything above around 1500rpm the pressure goes right to 80lbs or more.

What's weird is in the last couple of days its now running at 80lbs at idle and 80lbs or a bit more at any rpm above that, hardly any difference in oil pressure across a range of rpm's. I am reading this on a mechanical gauge straight off the rear of the block. I hooked up a spare gauge and its giving me the same exact readings. Very weird.
Could this be an oil pump regulator? Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Wolfe


Take the bypass plug and spring out and see if the bypass valve will slide out of the pump cover easily, if it doesn't fix it. It is not unusual for debris to get into the valve and make it stick
Posted By: Wolfe440

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/25/11 07:04 PM

ok, I will give it a try, thanks.
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/25/11 11:39 PM

If the oil pressure went from 35 to 80 at idle, it not the spring or relief valve. The relief was not open at 35 to begin with.
Posted By: Yancy Derringer

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/26/11 12:13 AM

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If the oil pressure went from 35 to 80 at idle, it not the spring or relief valve. The relief was not open at 35 to begin with.




This doesn't make sense. If it was 35, of course it could have been open. Now that it's high, it could be plugged.
Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/26/11 12:21 AM

is your oil filter "Orange" ?
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/26/11 01:32 AM

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If the oil pressure went from 35 to 80 at idle, it not the spring or relief valve. The relief was not open at 35 to begin with.




This doesn't make sense. If it was 35, of course it could have been open. Now that it's high, it could be plugged.





The only way that works is if the valve didn't close fully possibly due to a burr or something of that sort, otherwise low pressure won't open the valve because the spring pressure is constant... It was lifting @ 80 psi.... If the valve opens at 35 psi the pressure wouldn't rise above 35 psi unless the pump volume was so great it overcomes the flow capacity of the relief passage... Pressure rising typically indicates a place where oil was previously able to leak internally has become sealed... That could indicate a number of causes including plugged rocker feed, a spun bearing, a plugged chain oiler..
Posted By: Yancy Derringer

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/26/11 01:53 AM

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If the oil pressure went from 35 to 80 at idle, it not the spring or relief valve. The relief was not open at 35 to begin with.




This doesn't make sense. If it was 35, of course it could have been open. Now that it's high, it could be plugged.





The only way that works is if the valve didn't close fully possibly due to a burr or something of that sort, otherwise low pressure won't open the valve because the spring pressure is constant... It was lifting @ 80 psi.... If the valve opens at 35 psi the pressure wouldn't rise above 35 psi unless the pump volume was so great it overcomes the flow capacity of the relief passage... Pressure rising typically indicates a place where oil was previously able to leak internally has become sealed... That could indicate a number of causes including plugged rocker feed, a spun bearing, a plugged chain oiler..




Scuse me you are correct, I was thinkin' basackwards. Yep. low idle pressure indicates the pump cannot keep up with "the leaks" because normally at low pressure the bypass will be closed. Now that it's high, SOMETHING in there has plugged
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/26/11 05:00 AM

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If the oil pressure went from 35 to 80 at idle, it not the spring or relief valve. The relief was not open at 35 to begin with.




This doesn't make sense. If it was 35, of course it could have been open. Now that it's high, it could be plugged.





The only way that works is if the valve didn't close fully possibly due to a burr or something of that sort, otherwise low pressure won't open the valve because the spring pressure is constant... It was lifting @ 80 psi.... If the valve opens at 35 psi the pressure wouldn't rise above 35 psi unless the pump volume was so great it overcomes the flow capacity of the relief passage... Pressure rising typically indicates a place where oil was previously able to leak internally has become sealed... That could indicate a number of causes including plugged rocker feed, a spun bearing, a plugged chain oiler..


How about a piece of debris wedge into the valve and the pump channel keeping the valve locked closed, like it is when the motor is shut off
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/26/11 05:05 AM

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If the oil pressure went from 35 to 80 at idle, it not the spring or relief valve. The relief was not open at 35 to begin with.




This doesn't make sense. If it was 35, of course it could have been open. Now that it's high, it could be plugged.





The only way that works is if the valve didn't close fully possibly due to a burr or something of that sort, otherwise low pressure won't open the valve because the spring pressure is constant... It was lifting @ 80 psi.... If the valve opens at 35 psi the pressure wouldn't rise above 35 psi unless the pump volume was so great it overcomes the flow capacity of the relief passage... Pressure rising typically indicates a place where oil was previously able to leak internally has become sealed... That could indicate a number of causes including plugged rocker feed, a spun bearing, a plugged chain oiler..


How about a piece of debris wedge into the valve and the pump channel keeping the valve locked closed, like it is when the motor is shut off





The thing is the reason the pressure is lower at idle is because enough leakage occurs at all the normal internal leak points IE bearings,rockers, lifters & what not that the pump doesn't move enough volume of oil to create enough pressure to lift the relief valve so if the valve was jammed shut the pressure would still only be 35 psi.. But at higher rpm's the pressure could easily see 100+ psi...
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/26/11 07:17 PM

I'm thinking possible filter faiure as mentioned earlier.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/26/11 07:47 PM

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I'm thinking possible filter faiure as mentioned earlier.




Filter is after the pump.
Posted By: Wolfe440

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/26/11 07:57 PM

It may have a cam bearing spun, I am not getting any oil up to the rockers now. Apparently the feed is blocked and the resistance is what is bringing up the oil pressure. Must dig in more to find out for sure.
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Weird problem..oil pump regulator?? - 03/26/11 08:15 PM

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If the oil pressure went from 35 to 80 at idle, it not the spring or relief valve. The relief was not open at 35 to begin with.




This doesn't make sense. If it was 35, of course it could have been open. Now that it's high, it could be plugged.





The only way that works is if the valve didn't close fully possibly due to a burr or something of that sort, otherwise low pressure won't open the valve because the spring pressure is constant... It was lifting @ 80 psi.... If the valve opens at 35 psi the pressure wouldn't rise above 35 psi unless the pump volume was so great it overcomes the flow capacity of the relief passage... Pressure rising typically indicates a place where oil was previously able to leak internally has become sealed... That could indicate a number of causes including plugged rocker feed, a spun bearing, a plugged chain oiler..


How about a piece of debris wedge into the valve and the pump channel keeping the valve locked closed, like it is when the motor is shut off




I think you need to read the original post again and think about it
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