Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car

Posted By: court9155

Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/19/11 06:35 PM

I know this may sound silly to you guys that recreate hemi cars and six pack cars and the 66-67 chargers are a love hate affair but it is what it is and I want to recreate a 66 383 4 barrel charger out of my 66 318 poly car.

I have EVERYTHING out of a 67 car but I dont have the correct air cleaner.

I picked up a 68 or 69 dual snorkel from a GTX but this isnt the correct air cleaner.

So I have a few questions:

What is the correct (california car) air cleaner?
Do they make a recreation so I can buy it?
If so who?

Anyone have a detailed pic of what air cleaner would be on a 66 charger 383 4 barrel, california car without A/C?

I know I could scour the classifieds and ebay and will if I have to but Ill end up having to restore it anyway so maybe they make a new one like mancini does for the 340s.

Posted By: BSB67

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/19/11 06:38 PM

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I know this may sound silly to you guys that recreate hemi cars and six pack cars and the 66-67 chargers are a love hate affair but it is what it is and I want to recreate a 66 383 4 barrel charger out of my 66 318 poly car.

I have EVERYTHING out of a 67 car but I dont have the correct air cleaner.

I picked up a 68 or 69 dual snorkel from a GTX but this isnt the correct air cleaner.

So I have a few questions:

What is the correct (california car) air cleaner?
Do they make a recreation so I can buy it?
If so who?

Anyone have a detailed pic of what air cleaner would be on a 66 charger 383 4 barrel, california car without A/C?

I know I could scour the classifieds and ebay and will if I have to but Ill end up having to restore it anyway so maybe they make a new one like mancini does for the 340s.

This might help

http://www.nicksgarage.com/aircleaner.htm

Posted By: court9155

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/19/11 06:47 PM

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I know this may sound silly to you guys that recreate hemi cars and six pack cars and the 66-67 chargers are a love hate affair but it is what it is and I want to recreate a 66 383 4 barrel charger out of my 66 318 poly car.

I have EVERYTHING out of a 67 car but I dont have the correct air cleaner.

I picked up a 68 or 69 dual snorkel from a GTX but this isnt the correct air cleaner.

So I have a few questions:

What is the correct (california car) air cleaner?
Do they make a recreation so I can buy it?
If so who?

Anyone have a detailed pic of what air cleaner would be on a 66 charger 383 4 barrel, california car without A/C?

I know I could scour the classifieds and ebay and will if I have to but Ill end up having to restore it anyway so maybe they make a new one like mancini does for the 340s.

This might help

http://www.nicksgarage.com/aircleaner.htm

Yea been to his website numerous times but no reference as to where to get the correct air cleaner.....

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 06:45 AM

There are NO reproductions of that air cleaner.

Place a WANTED ad, scour classifieds/ebay/swapmeets.

Posted By: bobby66

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 06:47 AM

I think 66-67Charger.com has a parts wanted forum. Those guys could help you out.

Posted By: court9155

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 06:47 AM

what should I expect to pay for one from needing work to pristine condition.

I bought a dual snorkel but it ended up being the wrong one and off a 68 gtx I paid 300 for it..ouch.

Dan

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 06:53 AM

nippleless on EBAY - did CA cars use a pcv in '66?

Posted By: NicksGarage

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 04:51 PM

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nippleless on EBAY - did CA cars use a pcv in '66?

Yes, they had PCV in California.

The reason I don't say where to get air cleaners on the site is that most of them aren't reproduced and I don't know enough about the few that are to recommend them.

Are you going to run an AFB on your "recreation"? You can probably resell the '68 air cleaner you bought.

Posted By: NicksGarage

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 05:02 PM

Here's one with the PCV nipple. Price is high. This isn't that hard of an air cleaner to find.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160539149037

Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 05:34 PM

The nipple isn't for the PCV, it's for the breather. The PCV, which was on all cars in 66, not just California, hose goes to the base of the carb.......

Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 05:48 PM

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The nipple isn't for the PCV, it's for the breather. The PCV, which was on all cars in 66, not just California, hose goes to the base of the carb.......

Exactly, starting in 63 all cars got PCV which consisted of a valve that was supplied manifold vacuum, under high vacuum the valve will restrict flow so it doesn't act like a huge vacuum leak but it still will draw a constant (positive) circulation through the engine.. Under higher throttle where blow by is more likely the valve will increase flow... Anyway enough of that.

In 66 California cars received the second step of crankcase control & that consisted of supplying fresh air to the crankcase from the air cleaner housing... So while it's part of crankcase ventilation it isn't the PCV...

Posted By: BSB67

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 08:12 PM

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In 66 California cars received the second step of crankcase control & that consisted of supplying fresh air to the crankcase from the air cleaner housing... So while it's part of crankcase ventilation it isn't the PCV...

I think it the other way around. It's so the stuff from the breather gets sucked back into the carb.

Posted By: NicksGarage

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 09:42 PM

Yes, I should have said breather nipple. California cars had a closed system where the vapors were sucked into air cleaner. Other cars had an open breather.

Posted By: court9155

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/20/11 11:57 PM

The 66 charger 4 barrel, from what I read, would not have had a dual snorkel air cleaner.

I was told the one I bought is/was off a 68 GTX, however, info from Nicks garage indicates different:

"1969 383 and 440 4-Barrel. Similar to '68 B-body except for difference in indent on front for A/C clearance. Also, the breather hose comes off the air cleaner body instead of the snorkel."

The one I have does have the indent and 11 indents on top, accepts a pie pan (said 440 super commando I believe) but I dont want this one on the car. I paid the guy $300 damn dollars for it thinkin it was the right one. Its not. I know it would fit but I want it to look like a 66 383 charger would have when you popped the hood.

Tho I will have to modify anyway to hide a small holley under it but thats another issue down the road. I dont like and never have had luck or patience enough to mess with carters or edelbrocks.

Thanks for all the help and input so far guys!

This is the air cleaner I am looking for:

Im a even going to have my edelbrock dual plane intake and cast aluminum valve covers powdercoated turquoise so you have to do a double take to see it.

Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/21/11 12:04 AM

The outer/top on the four barrel air cleaner was also used on 60s slants with a one barrel. Find one of those and take a standard Holley base and make it work.

Posted By: court9155

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/21/11 12:24 AM

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The outer/top on the four barrel air cleaner was also used on 60s slants with a one barrel. Find one of those and take a standard Holley base and make it work.

Thanks for the info, but now after having looked at it closely I may have to live with the carter because it will be very hard to tuck a holley under there.

Posted By: NicksGarage

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/21/11 02:08 AM

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. If I had a carburetor preference I wouldn't let an air cleaner stop me. If you're not going totally correct (IE using an AFB) why not just use what you have? If people are going to question the car they'll obviously have plenty to question anyway.

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/21/11 02:13 AM

Motor Trend January '66 & HOT ROD January 1966 both show the same pic of the small unsilenced air cleaner on the 383 4bbl.

..... not the end-all-be-all, but I have a 1986 Fram Filter Catalog - the '66 Dodge V8 air filter listing is as follows:

273/318 (except Dart 4bbl) - CA160PL or CA160
273 4bbl Dart - CA162PL
361/383/426/440 2bbl or 4bbl (except HI-PERFORMANCE & Police) - CA127
361/383/426/440 2bbl or 4bbl HI-PERFORMANCE & Police - CA162PL

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/21/11 02:21 AM

The '66 Dealer Data book at Hamtramck-Historical lists the unsilenced air cleaner for the Charger w/383 4bbl.

So ..... this is the one you are looking for!!

Ebay 4bbl air cleaner w/breather

Posted By: court9155

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/21/11 03:41 AM

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The '66 Dealer Data book at Hamtramck-Historical lists the unsilenced air cleaner for the Charger w/383 4bbl.

So ..... this is the one you are looking for!! Ebay 4bbl air cleaner w/breather

Just bid on it, thanks brother.

Dan

Posted By: big-block-dave

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/23/11 05:47 AM

I have the same air cleaner pictured above off my '66 383, 4bbl, automatic Charger(my first car)! The factory air cleaner came off in like '79 for a chrome Moroso!! The lid and base are just hangin around! I'd be willing to sell it, not sure on price, I'M NO PARTS DEALER! I tried selling the complete body on here several times with no luck. I also have the original Big Block(not Hemi) correct part# radiator if interested, $$? PM me if you like............

I just looked at the one on Ebay, i don't think that one is rite? Looks different and i bet the diameter of the whole thing and the hole in the base are different? Not positive, just saying.

Posted By: court9155

Re: Need air cleaner help 66 charger 383 4 barrel car - 03/24/11 06:12 AM

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I have the same air cleaner pictured above off my '66 383, 4bbl, automatic Charger(my first car)! The factory air cleaner came off in like '79 for a chrome Moroso!! The lid and base are just hangin around! I'd be willing to sell it, not sure on price, I'M NO PARTS DEALER! I tried selling the complete body on here several times with no luck. I also have the original Big Block(not Hemi) correct part# radiator if interested, $$? PM me if you like............

I just looked at the one on Ebay, i don't think that one is rite? Looks different and i bet the diameter of the whole thing and the hole in the base are different? Not positive, just saying.

Sent you a message brother!

Dan