Posted By: 68Bullet
Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/19/11 05:47 PM
I scored a 5.9 cummins to put in my truck. I'm very excited that this part of the project is finally coming to fruition. But I'm realizing, that only working with big blocks, this thing is like one stage larger. Will a typical engine hoist like the one I have be adequate? Mine's rated for 2000 lbs, which nominally says I should be good. It lifts fully assembled big blocks without issue. But... what do you guys think about handling the cummins?
Posted By: dOc !
Re: Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/19/11 05:49 PM
effen it is a China-Mart one .... watch OUT ...
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/19/11 05:51 PM
Hmm, i once bought an engine stand\d, rated for something like 2000 lbs, even had a picture of a BB Mopar with B1 heads on the box.
Put my stock 413 on it and boy did it groan, but it held long enough for me to pull the heads and all accessories. Anyway, this was made "overseas" and was optimistically rated I am thinking. I just hope yours isn't rated "optimistically".
Posted By: 68Bullet
Re: Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/19/11 06:32 PM
I do have some faith, as I picked mine up over 10 years ago from a legitimate parts store. Which doesn't guarantee quality .... But the glut of poorly made stuff today makes me have just a little more faith in my old trusty.
I also agree with the engine stand comment, my engine stand sure doesn't like a fully assembled big block, but so far hasn't crumbled yet!
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/19/11 07:05 PM
A Cummins weighs in the neighborhood of 1200lbs so your 2000lb hoist should be fine .
Posted By: ahy
Re: Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/19/11 07:21 PM
The rating can depend on how far the arm is extended. Some are rated with the lift arm partially extended and handle less at full extension. If it is rated 2000 lb at full extension you should be fine.
Posted By: 68Bullet
Re: Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/22/11 05:58 AM
Follow up report: Engine hoist wins! Lifts that heavy sucker like a champ! And most importantly, keeps me from getting hernias when I have to move stuff.
Posted By: Kern Dog
Re: Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/22/11 06:58 AM
I've used engine hoists to move all sorts of things. One was a complete front axle assembly: A Dana 44 for a Dodge, complete with rotors and calipers.
I had an engine hoist failure ONCE! I was pulling my first Big Block Mopar... a 400 from a 72 Newport. The motor was nearly complete and the 727 was still attached. Just as I had the whole thing out and past the core support, the ram BENT like a boomerang and the whole shebang slammed to the ground! The trans case cracked along the bellhousing and the oil pan was smashed. I was lucky to be clear of the freefall.
At the time I thought that the motor was a 440, which is what I wanted. When I pulled the A/C pump, I found out that it was a 400. Standard bore too. It was the desireable 0230 thick wall 400 block! I paid $175 for the entire car. I sold the bare block for $400!
Posted By: Commando1
Re: Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/22/11 02:13 PM
This is slightly off-topic, but, when I was looking for a new engine stand a few years ago, I only looked at the ones rated for 2,000 lbs. Basically, no matter who it came from or who's name was on on it, they all looked like they came from the same source in China. Absolutely pure crap where the 2,000 rating was a big stretch. Unfortunately, it seemed the only step up was $1,000 units and nothing in between. So I bought a $200 Torin (still pure crap) and I wish I hadn't. It's already toppled over twice.
We no longer have a choice anymore. Chinese junk or commercial stuff too expensive for an individual. Recently I had the same experience on a MIG welding cart. Sheesh!
Posted By: ahy
Re: Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/23/11 01:00 AM
A few years ago I was in the same situation with an engine stand. I bought a "1000 lb" cheap one and wasn't sure I liked the look of it. I decided to test it with my fully dressed 318 takeout before putting a BB on it. I bolted up the engine and slowly let the hoist down. It went down and down and down as the backplate bent. I guess it was rated 1000 lbs with overall engine length not to exceed 5 inches or something. That one got returned and I looked at WW Grainger. Turns out they have (or had) a good "middle line". I bought a 1200 lb stand at reasonable cost. Very stout and wasn't bothered a bit as my BB came together. I believe this one could handle a real 1200 lb engine.
Point is its worth checking WW Grainger.
Posted By: pishta
Re: Cummins engine vs. typical engine hoist - 03/23/11 04:16 AM
Harbor Freight breakdown model. Hasn't failed me yet, knock on wood. picked a 225, 318, 360, 408, 451 and a Dodge Cummins Turbo-Diesel, With trans! BUT it did lose a wheel under the Cummins, one of the front ones. I wasnt there, but it was kinda scary from what I heard. Mine has the support bands from the rear legs up to the top of the ram. And I ditched the no grade fasteners for grade 8 bolts, the big ones. I can take it down and fit it in the back seat of my car, kinda cool. Needs a handle in the back though and better casters up front. When the guy broke the cast iron front caster wheel, he replaced them with hard rubber that seem harder to pivot naturally. Since it is a break down its a little less sturdy than a welded rigid frame, but I have a flat polished concrete floor so there is no bumps to make it rock and roll. Looks identical to American Tool, The one at NAPA, O'reilly and Pep Boys. Some have the straps, others do not but everything else is the same. BE SAFE! Anything can break...