66 or 67 Belvedere ???

Posted By: dgas

66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/17/11 03:13 PM

I am supposed to go look at a 66 or 67 Belvedere 2dr hardtop driver

tonight. Supposedly a number matching low milage original, Word of mouth thing from a car rookie(But You KNOW how that works), So I do not even know what year it is for sure. But it is a 66 or 67. What I do know is the following-
318/auto
500's on the car w new rubber
Factory Buckets and console
No AC Pwr steering
I have seen the car from a distance and it looked pretty decent a couple years ago, But I know VERY little about these cars and have a few???
For instance-
Is that 318 a poly?
What swaps bolt in w no serious modifications,like cutting anything on the chassis/body/Fwells?
360?
I expect to upgrade the ign. to electronic so wiring is a non issue. What trans/RE models should I expect to find in it?
Headers?
IF I buy this thing. I want to mildly restify it. Update/upgrade, but not modify or change its original look to the point that it can not be turned back.
I'm not new to rods and muscle just these cars. It has been a LONG time since I did any Mopar stuff (340 Duster in 1975 and a 440 Polara 500 in 1999) so am a rookie at what fits what.

Posted By: Michael

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/17/11 03:28 PM

2 headlites---66.....4 headlites------67. The 6th diget in the VIN number tells the year

Posted By: Andrewh

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/17/11 03:29 PM

66 will be a poly 318. Any LA will bolt on to it no issues. you can tell if it has 2 bolts holding down the valve covers. will also be a single pot master cylinder.

67 could be a poly if it is from canada. otherwise is first year for LA 318. Again sb should bolt up.

you will have to check balance issues if you go with a 360. As the 318 are neutral, and the 360 is not.

66 I believe still has the smaller shaft on the 727, and you won't be able to use just any aftermarket torque converter.

67 will be a 904. if it is an LA, if it is still a poly then 727

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/17/11 03:48 PM

Thank guys, What are the odds it has a 8 3/4 in it? I know the Hemi cars had Dana's. But I am sure one of these do not. The 360 should use the original 360 flex plate to hook up the converter,not? Or is special order one is necessary? Actually slighly modifying the orignal 318(IF it is a LA motor)is probably all I would need. I am not going racing. If it is a poly I'll probably just look for a 4 bbl intake and put on dual exaust and call it good. If the the car looks and runs near as good as it did a few years ago(I saw it as at a show)its going to be mine. The price is right.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/17/11 03:55 PM

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Thank guys, What are the odds it has a 8 3/4 in it? I know the Hemi cars had Dana's. But I am sure one of these do not. The 360 should use the original 360 flex plate to hook up the converter,not? Or is special order one is necessary? Actually slighly modifying the orignal 318(IF it is a LA motor)is probably all I would need. I am not going racing. If it is a poly I'll probably just look for a 4 bbl intake and put on dual exaust and call it good. If the the car looks and runs near as good as it did a few years ago(I saw it as at a show)its going to be mine. The price is right.

The 360 will be a cast crank and require weld on weights to the converter. good luck finding a 4bbl intake for that 318 poly. Just do the duals and call it a day.

Posted By: 65Frank

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/17/11 03:59 PM

Odds are good its an 8 3/4.

How 'bout some pics

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/17/11 04:28 PM

First we have to figure out what exactly he has under the hood. I figured on spending some serious time looking for a poly 4 BBL intake ,maybe an Offenhauser on Ebay or the swap meets.(I go anyway) I'll post up some pics when I get back tomorrow.

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/17/11 08:08 PM

No factory bucket seats in 66 or 67 Belvederes (aside from 67 Belvedere GTX) so if they are factory bucket seats the car is a Satellite

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/17/11 09:58 PM

You know I have always been confused about Satellite/Belvedere/GTX differences, The base was Belvedere right and Satellite and GTX were option upgrades or some such arrangement?? Like I say I am pretty ignorant on Mopars. But that does not prevent me from liking them.

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/18/11 12:12 AM

Never too late to learn

Basics:

BelvedereI = sedan 2 Door, 4 door, and station wagon
Unique BelvedereI outer body trim, bench seat interior

BelvedereII = hard top, 2 door 4 door, wagon, and convertible
unique BelvedereII bright trim, bench seat interior

Belvedere GTX = 2 door hard top & convertible
bucket seat interior, unique GTX exterior trim

Satellite = 2 door hard top & convertible
bucket seat interior, Unique Satellite exterior trim

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/18/11 11:24 PM

Turned out to be a 1966 Satellite w a poly 318 not bad but rust starting in the lower Qtrs and above the rear wheel openings. Crappy blue paint is peeling in many places. I can feel rust bubbles under the poorly added on vinyl top which scares me, I've been there B4. I'll probably pass on both as they are not really what I want. I am put off by the Poly motor and flaking paint. I tend to avoid vinyl top cars as well.
Neither is worth the $4500 he wants for either car to me . BUT I may change my mind later.

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/18/11 11:28 PM

The other car is a 67 Barracuda notchback rust free w a slant six automatic. White bucket seat interior w column shift, The Bcuda is ok but has some dents in problem areas. Other than the hood being changed it is also unmolested which is a plus.

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/18/11 11:32 PM

Don't be fooled by the shiny blue paint it is TERRIBLE and literally falling off the car. The trim and bumpers are very near perfect however.

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Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/18/11 11:34 PM

The Satt. does have a very nice unmolested interior w the working stock radio.(tho a add on FM converter has been installed.)

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Posted By: StealthWedge67

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/19/11 12:53 AM

Woodgrain steering wheel, console, solid interior, all trim in good shape, bumpers in good shape, stock and unmolested mid 60's V8 high-optioned B-Body...... I don't know what you expect to find in the $4000 range, but I'd say its at the very least, a fair asking price. If it runs good and had solid paint, I'd expect to see an asking price approaching 10 grand.

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/19/11 03:45 AM

It most likely is a decent asking price,the guy is a mopar guru and I am sure not a rapist. Its just not for me. Call me wierd but I am more attracted to the B'cuda. Just goes to show how little I know about Mopars I guess. I've bought GM's in better shape for less. Mopars always do run higher $ I know. Part of the problem is I am more interested in a Dart/Duster and really dislike the Poly motor idea. Not that I've ever owned one. Had it turned out to be a 67 w a LA motor. We would not be having this discussion I would have it here already. I am just more of a hotrodder at heart where the poly is pretty much worthless in that area as far avail. speed stuff is concerned as far as my research has found. Not knowing what a later model engine swap would entail does not help either. But like I said, I may change my mind or just spend more $ for better car as I am not locked in to 4K as a high limit nor am I in a hurry. If I was still building cars either one of these cars would do. However I no longer can due to health issues. The word is out amongst freinds and fellow club members. I get calls almost daily now so who knows what will turn up. Its pretty much how these two came about.

Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/19/11 03:11 PM

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Woodgrain steering wheel, console, solid interior, all trim in good shape, bumpers in good shape, stock and unmolested mid 60's V8 high-optioned B-Body...... I don't know what you expect to find in the $4000 range, but I'd say its at the very least, a fair asking price. If it runs good and had solid paint, I'd expect to see an asking price approaching 10 grand.

Boy, I don't know. One problem with the '66-'67's is that rust above the rear wheel opening and in the lower quarter is very common. The last I knew there is NO repop metal available for those areas. Secondly they just do not have the draw of the '68-up B-body Mopars. For these two years you have to just like them because they cost a ton of money to fix that you will never get back. For 10K it would have to be rust free, excellent paint, all good glass and chrome, run well, and have a reasonable interior.

Posted By: 65Frank

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/19/11 03:20 PM

I agree that 66-67s do not seem to be as popular as 68-70 - I prefer the 66-67s though, and have seen seemingly nice ones advertised in the low teens. If I found one for 10K that need no body work / paint, I'd be sorely tempted.
The poly probably hurts this one a little bit. If the rust were bad in the quarters that would put me off as well. Nice interior, though.

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/20/11 01:15 PM

I did not get a photo of the Qtr rust but it is significant as is the above wheel rust I would be looking at finding at least full length 1/2 Qtrs at the least. I'll be moving on from these two as I think I found my A body-73 Dart, BUT I have not looked at that in person either. In my searching I have found a significant number of decent cars under 7k around the country. So they are out there, just not in my area and shipping is prohibitive. But I'll keep looking. I am going to look at a transplanted 440/auto 73 Satellite today.

Posted By: bobby66

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/20/11 07:55 PM

I'd go for the notchback 'Cuda. My favorite Mopar.Some day....

Posted By: 67SATisfaction

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 12:06 AM

dgas -
Sounds like you have a good grip on what you know and what you like. So, yes I agree you would be better off passing on it with the poly, rust issues and vinyl top.

For anyone who likes 66/67's the car isn't such a bad deal, especially if the trim is all there and good. An engine swap is easy and sheetmetal can be found. I believe I have seen repop QP patches for sale (?). A big hurdle and cost is the trim. A lot of 1-year-only parts for the early Satellites (65, 66, 67).

Regarding popularity and value of the 66/67's, you either love em or hate em. We bought our '67 convertible in excellent condition with factory 383/2bbl (1-of-107) from a Mopar guy who simply didn't like it and wanted a '68. It cost a lot less than $10k.

Best, -Art

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 01:08 AM

I looked at a titled 71 Satellite Sebring today ,an utter sh-tbox w three redeeming quality's -A fresh 440/727, New 4 core BBlk radiator and a ratty bucket seat /console interior in about three different colors but right. 8 1/4 RE, drum brakes on all four corners. Probably worth the $2650. to buy it. But way too much work for me to do. Had it been solid, but dented I would have bought it. But rust issues on all four corners,no windshield and bad winshield area sheetmetal (needs ALL the surrounding metal around the windshield mounting area) caused me to bail. I'm still lookin heh heh

Posted By: terzmo

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 01:37 AM

I am a supporter of the 66/67 satellites and coronets. This car has alot going for it like buckets/console and mostly solid body. They make paqtch panels for small rust areas. If You want a drag car running 11's then You have alot of work. There are aftermarket intakes for a 4 barrel setup. I had a 60 phoenix with a stock 318/4 bbl setup and it chirped the tires going into second at 60.

A 340 stroked would be an easy fit and realy turn it on. The only bummer about these body style is the wheel well...cannot get a fat tire on...this is My 67 satellite/GTX tribute...498 stroker

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Posted By: 65Frank

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 01:24 PM

Terzmo - Beautiful car

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 01:43 PM

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Turned out to be a 1966 Satellite w a poly 318 not bad but rust starting in the lower Qtrs and above the rear wheel openings. Crappy blue paint is peeling in many places. I can feel rust bubbles under the poorly added on vinyl top which scares me, I've been there B4. I'll probably pass on both as they are not really what I want. I am put off by the Poly motor and flaking paint. I tend to avoid vinyl top cars as well.
Neither is worth the $4500 he wants for either car to me . BUT I may change my mind later.

???? $4500 seems like a fair price to me for a running driving car. Those 66-67 Plymouth can catch some good $$$. The Dodges on the other hand

If you are looking for a cheap nice B-body try a 66-67 coronet.

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 02:07 PM

After reading all of this and other posts about these cars. I see that it is most likely worth his price. However I do want a car I have to repaint and for sure no or minimal rust. Not a newly painted or showy restored type of car. But a decent driver that I would not be embarrassed to drive to a cruise. I have decided to spend more $$$ for the 67-75 A body car in the condition I want altho I will continue to look at 62-74 B bodys as well.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 02:51 PM

73-75 A-body's have no re-sale value. So be careful on those. Hard to find a good running, non-needing paint car for 5k. I'd say if you want a nice looking driving car...a mopar, be prepaired to pay 8-10k at the least. 68-70 B's a good roller body can cost that much.

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 03:05 PM

Thats about my ball park. But I am looking at cars from $1200 all the way up to $12K. I am just a picky and cheap SOB + at 10 K I will want exactly what I am looking for w little or no give. @ three weeks in to the hunt I have all the time in the world and am in no hurry. Year, two or when the economy finally collapes completely I'll find the right car. I practically live on Ebay,RJ,Car soup and CL and check all of them three times a day(retired and in a MN winter). From past experiance I'll most likely find the car at the swaps this summer or on CL. In the meantime the amount I can spend will keep growing as I continue to sell off all of my left over brand X restoration,HP and racing parts.

Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 03:07 PM

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Thats about my ball park. But I am looking at cars from $1200 all the way up to $12K. I am just a picky and cheap SOB + at 10 K I will want exactly what I am looking for w little or no give. @ three weeks in to the hunt I have all the time in the world and am in no hurry. Year, two or when the economy finally collapes completely I'll find the right car. I practically live on Ebay,RJ,Car soup and CL and check all of them three times a day(retired and in a MN winter). heh heh

There are some good deals in the "for sale" here. I'd rather buy a car form a member than off of e-bay. DAMHIK

Posted By: dgas

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 03:17 PM

Yep, I check them here and the other main Mopar site daily. Some nice stuff, most is just too far away and I'd rather spend the money here on a better car than pay a shipper. But I continue to look. MN, eastern Dakota's and western WI has a LOT of mopar guys.

(In respect for the fellow club member I pulled the indentifying pics so as not to shotgun his chances of selling the car tho I doubt my inexperianced opinion would stop anyone.)

Now on the high side of this the guy that has that 71 Satallite has a spare low milage 440 cheap. So If I can find out EXACTLY what I would need to do to put a 40 in this 66. I might just go for it. He called and dropped the price $500 so it IS getting more attractive now. I heard there are some conversion mounts available???. But what about the trans? Will a poly 318 trans(727??) fit a 440? Spendy HP Exaust manifolds a must have?

Posted By: terzmo

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/21/11 07:48 PM

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Terzmo - Beautiful car

Thanks

Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/23/11 06:48 PM

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I did not get a photo of the Qtr rust but it is significant as is the above wheel rust I would be looking at finding at least full length 1/2 Qtrs at the least. I'll be moving on from these two as I think I found my A body-73 Dart, BUT I have not looked at that in person either. In my searching I have found a significant number of decent cars under 7k around the country. So they are out there, just not in my area and shipping is prohibitive. But I'll keep looking. I am going to look at a transplanted 440/auto 73 Satellite today.

Who is making decent full length half quarters for the '66-'67 B bodies? All I've seen is junk like Sherman Auto sells.

Posted By: bboogieart

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/23/11 07:33 PM

Living in Northern Wisc. I can relate to availability here. You might want to look at the Dakotas or Montana. More rust free stuff out west.I have the name of a fellow in Montana that sells rust free parts and cars I can send you his info if you want. I think you have a good grip on what you want and what you want to pay. If more folks were like you the prices wouldn't be so high. I can't find anything here that is not a total rust bucket for $4,000. I have some c-bodies to keep me happy for now but would like to get back into a 69 Dodge b-body. Gonna be a long wait.
Any way you keep it up and let us know what you find.

Posted By: U code RR

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/24/11 02:10 AM

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The only bummer about these body style is the wheel well...cannot get a fat tire on...

I guess it depends on how determined you are!

Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? - 03/24/11 02:20 AM

I had a '66 Belvedere and I really miss it. If you were looking to buy one, get one as complete as you can and in the best shape you can find/afford. I know when I had mine that the aftermarket was a joke and when you did find parts, they were $$$$.

Cheap b-body?? 1966 or 67 Dodge Charger or Coronet for sure.

I remember having a '74 road runner and selling it because I could not find anything for it. Trying to fix a car that they don't make anything for is beyond a pain.