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RUST PREVENTION MAGIC

Posted By: mopars4ever

RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/14/11 03:48 AM

Anyone use it? If so, how do you like it? http://www.ecsautomotive.com/productdesc.php?co=a&id=1
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/14/11 04:48 AM

Not yet but I plan to, worked great on his Valiant
Posted By: 70SportSatellite

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/14/11 05:44 PM

so far so good and very easy to apply!
Posted By: Mike Mancini

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/14/11 05:57 PM

Hi Guys,

I have been using Dave's product for over a year now. I started testing it for him on components as he was restoring the Valiant. I have used RPM on two cars worth of bare metal components and they still look as pristine as the day applied. No sign of corrosion whatsoever(even during the humid summer months). Bare metal parts have been a battle for years and RPM is the answer. It has done all it says it does. I love it and will continue to use it in my restorations for as long as it is available.

Mike Mancini
Posted By: ECS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/14/11 06:13 PM

Hi Mike,
I just wanted to make something perfectly clear before the typical garbage and gossip starts to take place. I formulated and patented this product over the past two years. Apparently, someone from Ken Mosier's restoration shop had told Dave Wise that I "stole" this product from another manufacturer and did nothing more than re-package it under our label. I don't know what Idiot said this but THAT could not be further from the truth. I came up with the formula and ingredients that make up this product and no other brands were used to copy it from!!! It never ceases to amaze me how some people will fabricate and lie about things to compensate for whatever issues they have. As stated earlier, we own the patent and associated trademarks for this new product line. Who ever this "person" is that I do not know, have never met and obviously has no knowledge of ANYTHING I did while inventing this product, please find someone/something else to lie and gossip about!
Posted By: QuickDodge

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/14/11 07:10 PM

How long will this stuff will last? Is it like a wax that must be re-applied frequently or similar to a paint that will last for years?
Posted By: ECS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/14/11 10:38 PM

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How long will this stuff will last? Is it like a wax that must be re-applied frequently or similar to a paint that will last for years?





I can't give an exact/accurate time prediction because it has only been around for a little over two years. I can say that parts we prepped more than two years ago still look just like the day they were treated. Unless it is removed with chemicals or abrasive measures, it should last for years! Below is some information that was recently published along with our new product brochure. Additional announcements are soon to appear in magazines such as Muscle Car Review, HOTROD, High Performance Chevy, Muscle-car Enthusiast, Auto Enthusiast, etc.....







Posted By: Convertcuda

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 12:01 AM

Hi Everyone, I have been using Dave's product (RPM) for the last 6 months now and I cannot say enough about it. It is very easy to apply and can not be detected. As for the price of the product and awesome results you will get you can't paint your pieces that cheap. Using RPM is a no brainer even if your not doing an OE car. I have used RPM on every front end, rear end ,dash pieces, pedal asemblies and the window componets so far.This product has really changed my out look on keeping my restored parts from rusting. Dave what's the next cool product your going to invent that will help the hobby? Thanks Ken
Posted By: ECS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 02:02 AM

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what's the next cool product your going to invent that will help the hobby? Thanks Ken




For the past few weeks, Tom Barcroft and I have been working on a new product that is specifically blended to preserve and protect rubber, plastic and vinyl materials. It is dry to the touch and will guard against all types of moisture and damaging UV rays. It will not change the color of your materials and repels moisture like water off a Duck's back!
Posted By: elitecustombody

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 04:39 AM

What if someonene wants to paint parts treated with RPM? What is the prepping procedure?
Posted By: ECS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 04:55 AM

Hi Stefan! You cannot paint over RPM. It will repel the paint and it will not adhere to the metal surface. You can use it over your painted parts for added protection. I have someone who is using it on their outdoor lights around their swimming pool. A medical company is using it on their manufacturing equipment. The Construction Industry has expressed interest in RPM for keeping their tools protected during their off season.

I have also developed a product (similar but different than RPM) that is used to preserve the natural metal finish on Guns. ("AMMO" - Avoid Menacing Metal Oxidation) The Gun Collectors have started to show an interest in a product that keeps their metal rust free but not oily. People are coming up with applications that we never dreamed of, both automotive and non-automotive in nature.
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 03:13 PM

Do you need to wear gloves when using? Is it hazardous?
Posted By: ECS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 07:25 PM

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Do you need to wear gloves when using? Is it hazardous?




It is not hazardous to touch and there is no need to wear gloves during application! I have even applied it with my finger tips (in those areas that are hard to get to) once the parts are assembled on the vehicle.
Posted By: TONY_DAGOSTINO

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 08:25 PM

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Apparently, someone from Ken Mosier's restoration shop had told Dave Wise that I "stole" this product from another manufacturer and did nothing more than re-package it under our label




so someone accused you of buying a marketed product, getting it patented, relabeling it then selling it.

not a bad idea, but i doubt it happened that way.
Posted By: ECS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 10:06 PM

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Quote:

Apparently, someone from Ken Mosier's restoration shop had told Dave Wise that I "stole" this product from another manufacturer and did nothing more than re-package it under our label




so someone accused you of buying a marketed product, getting it patented, relabeling it then selling it.

not a bad idea, but i doubt it happened that way.





Apparently some idiot "genius" claimed that I took this product from a motorcycle line dating back to the 1990's!?!?! What kind of moron would think that I'd "steal" a product from 20 years ago (that obviously never worked to begin with or caught on) and simply repackage it with my name? I wonder where this "motorcycle" product is that supposedly is just like RPM? Has anyone else ever seen it? I would think that someone would have a good lawsuit pending against me if that were the case!

As stated earlier Tony, this product came to fruition because I lost points on the Cuda and Challenger for using oil on my bare metal parts. I knew that I would have to preserve the parts on the Valiant differently if I was to make up those missed points for the OE judging. I spent MONTHS formulating and engineering ingredients that would preserve bare metal AND be dry to the touch. I did all of this to facilitate a specific need and not with the intent to sell a product. It was the other guys on the Valiant Team that suggested I market it to the Restoration Industry. Every ingredient used is a component specially formulated to make up our PATENTED new product RPM. No other "rust prevention" products were used to inspire or copy RPM from!! It is a completely new concept/process that prevents rust on metal parts!! Pictured below is just ONE of the many raw materials used to manufacture RPM. They are custom made for ECS in 5 gallon metal containers. I opened one to show how it is shipped to our facility in bulk. (RPM obtains its beautiful green/gray color once the other ingredients are blended together.) Cheers to the CRETIN who said we copied someone else's product.......


Posted By: Andrewh

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 11:15 PM

just curious, says you have to heat the part to 120 degrees.
can you just as easily liquify the rpm? or will it not bond to the metal as well?
Posted By: Mike Mancini

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 11:29 PM

Not sure why you would want to do that. It is so easy to apply. The container is only 8oz, if you could liquify it, what kind of parts could be dipped??
Posted By: Andrewh

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 11:32 PM

wasn't really thinking dipping, just that if it was a large part and hard to heat up, it might be easier to brush it on as a liquid ie the melted butter comment, rather than heat up the part to melt it.
Posted By: ECS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/15/11 11:40 PM

The largest part I did was the drive shaft. It was easy because I started at one end and worked my way to the other. The heat dissipates across the metal as you progress so the material stays in a flowing state until the process is finished. By the time I reached the opposite end of the shaft, the part/end I started with was already dry. A very thin film is all you need!
Posted By: Andrewh

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/16/11 12:24 AM

thanks.
Posted By: Convertcuda

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/16/11 12:57 AM

Here's a few pieces with RPM on for 6 months

Attached picture 6531976-OEExhaustBracket.JPG
Posted By: Convertcuda

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/16/11 12:59 AM

OE E-body Exhaust Hanger

Attached picture 6531980-OEExhaustHanger.JPG
Posted By: ECS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/16/11 05:20 PM

Here are photos of RPM treated parts from the Valiant along with an experiment that we did between two bare metal parts.




Posted By: Runnin74

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/16/11 08:45 PM

Dave,

I just purchased some of your RPM to use on the front suspension of my 74 Road Runner. I'm in the process of documenting the paint inspection/ID marks and there are way more than I thought. Most are of course on the ends where the castle nuts are, but there are a number that are in the middle of the part. I assume these are identification marks so the assembler can just grab the right part out of a bin on the line. For example I found a pink mark in the center of the left side (drivers) steering arm that is bolted to the lower side of the spindle. The end that connects to the tie rod has a Lt. blue mark. There is no paint mark where the lower ball joint goes through the arm. I take it that the ID marks were present when the part was assembled and the inspection marks were put on later after the suspension was assembled. The runs in the paint on the part (ID mark vs inspection marks) go in different directions. I think to be absolutely correct the ID marks would have to be put on first then the suspension assembled and then marked with inspection daubs. I thought what I'd do was get the suspension parts cleaned then sealed with RPM and put them together when I arrived at that point in re-assembly. That could be some time from now. If I use the RPM now then it would not accept paint when I get around to re-assembly, correct? Do you have any suggestions?
Posted By: ECS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/17/11 07:43 AM

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If I use the RPM now then it would not accept paint when I get around to re-assembly, correct? Do you have any suggestions?




We ran into the same scenario when restoring some of the suspension pieces on the Valiant. Various parts were completed and set aside for months before they were ready to be assembled. I suggest completely treating the parts with RPM and when you are ready to re-install them, take some lacquer thinner to the small areas that will be painted. Put the paint marks back on those bare areas that have been wiped off with the solvent. After the paint marks dry, re-treat those areas with RPM. It will not hurt the new paint and everything will be sealed and protected from moisture! This can all be done within a 24 hour period so you won't have to worry about the parts rusting again.
Posted By: Gavin

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/17/11 01:32 PM

Dave is this suitable for parts that get hot? e.g. caliper adaptors - if they heat up would the RPM reliquify and drip off??
Posted By: ECS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/17/11 03:34 PM

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Dave is this suitable for parts that get hot? e.g. caliper adaptors - if they heat up would the RPM reliquify and drip off??




I used it on my disc brake calipers as well as the head-pipe on the Valiant. It can't drip off because it is applied as a thin film. Even if you tried to apply too much material, the excess would flow and run off of the part. It might turn shiny again if it is exposed to constant heat but it will go back to its normal (inconspicuous) appearance once the part cools off again. It was not developed for components exposed to constant (direct) heat such as exhaust manifolds. Those type of areas have never been tested. It does work well on bolts and pieces located in the engine compartment.
Posted By: Runnin74

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/17/11 11:03 PM

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If I use the RPM now then it would not accept paint when I get around to re-assembly, correct? Do you have any suggestions?




We ran into the same scenario when restoring some of the suspension pieces on the Valiant. Various parts were completed and set aside for months before they were ready to be assembled. I suggest completely treating the parts with RPM and when you are ready to re-install them, take some lacquer thinner to the small areas that will be painted. Put the paint marks back on those bare areas that have been wiped off with the solvent. After the paint marks dry, re-treat those areas with RPM. It will not hurt the new paint and everything will be sealed and protected from moisture! This can all be done within a 24 hour period so you won't have to worry about the parts rusting again.





Thanks, great suggestion - thats what I'll plan on doing!
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/26/11 08:05 PM

Dave,
I have been using RPM on several restoration projects and the results have been outstanding. The Product is easy to apply, doesn’t modify the original appearance and has proven to be very durable. As a Design Engineer I am always interested about how a product will perform in various conditions, so I decided to run it through several test, including lab testing and a road test. The initial test started as a road test in December and lasted until March through a particularly harsh winter (applied to a front end component on a daily driver); I am pleased to say the product performed extremely well through every temperature change, snow/ice event and several salt cycles. During the road test I also conducted several lab test cycles alongside the new OEM Components I was testing for the market; the test included extreme temperature changes, 1000 hour salt spray, 100% humidity testing and it is currently going through additional “abrasive” testing. The testing was performed on a bare metal tie rod end with RPM applied after heating the part with a conventional heat gun, the product performed perfectly and generated better results than anticipated, if fact it performed as well as any of the OEM components in the test group and outperformed several of the samples. Before starting the final test, I performed a quick inspection of the parts condition, its appearance has not changed through the entire test cycle; which is a remarkable accomplishment. In my opinion, this product is perfect for the restoration industry since it does not alter the original appearance of the part and it will certainly withstand conditions much worse than any restored car/motorcycle will ever encounter. This product also has several potential applications in additional industries, including Marine.
Congratulations on an excellent product, I know you didn’t request this additional testing but curiosity got the best of me and I must say I have been extremely impressed. I plan to keep a supply of it around for future restorations, I always disliked having to paint front end components on a nice driver/show car and lose the original appearance; this product eliminates that problem.
Posted By: MRHWS

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/27/11 03:25 PM

How does RPM work on threaded areas? Does it fill the area, causing a tighter fit or should it be applied after parts(front end componets)have been installed as a touch up?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 04/01/11 02:25 AM

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How does RPM work on threaded areas? Does it fill the area, causing a tighter fit or should it be applied after parts(front end componets)have been installed as a touch up?




Hi everyone,

As a bit of a quick introduction I'm Tom Barcroft with ECS. I manage the production and marketing of RPM . During Project Valiant I took and categorized many of the documentary pictures we used during the restoration. If anyone has any questions or feedback on RPM I'll be glad to provide input and would like to hear of any uses outside of the restoration arena.

Specifically on the bolt question : Treating the bolts and nuts separately would provide protection and allow you to store the parts for future use. The tie-rod ,clamp and nut used in some of the ads and magazine articles for the Valiant was treated a year before it was installed in the car. It's best to apply inspection marks before treating the part / area but some marks must be applied after the part is on the car. just remember to prep the area with thinner and light steel wool, apply your marks then retreat the area to fully protect the part. Applying RPM to the threaded areas does not change the threading ability.
Posted By: finadk

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 04/01/11 02:36 AM

Will RPM work on aluminum? I am looking for a way to preserve my Edelbrock Aluminum Heads, fabricated valve covers and intake manifold without painting.
Thanks
Scott
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 04/01/11 04:38 AM

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Will RPM work on aluminum? I am looking for a way to preserve my Edelbrock Aluminum Heads, fabricated valve covers and intake manifold without painting.
Thanks
Scott




Hi Scott,

RPM will work on aluminum -Steve,part of Project Valiant) has used RPM on the Aluminum / Magnesium wheels on his truck with good success. We haven't tested it in a high heat situation like exhaust manifold, heads, etc. We did use it on the head pipe of the Valiant and so far it looks like the day it was installed on the car. The Valiant has been through heat cycles and hot enough to see tempature building on the heat gage when we went through the awards ceremony at the Mopar Nats. You can see the head pipe in the post higher in the page. That picture is a recent one after heat cycles. Has anyone else used RPM in a higher prolonged heat situation?
Posted By: BigSugar

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/03/11 10:27 PM

Will RPM work on un anodized trim (Polished Aluminum) I preffer the look of Polished over anodized but I'm a little concerned with the finish tarnishing frequently and having to continually keep a wax finish on the raw aluminum.
What about behind the trim where the Aluminum is in contact with the metal trim clips, will this product help with a barrier between the two dissimilar metals ?

Ron
Posted By: BigSugar

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/03/11 10:28 PM

Can RPM be shipped across ther Border to Canada ?


Ron
Posted By: 52savoy

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/04/11 08:06 AM

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Apparently, someone from Ken Mosier's restoration shop had told Dave Wise that I "stole" this product from another manufacturer and did nothing more than re-package it under our label




so someone accused you of buying a marketed product, getting it patented, relabeling it then selling it.

not a bad idea, but i doubt it happened that way.





Apparently some idiot "genius" claimed that I took this product from a motorcycle line dating back to the 1990's!?!?! What kind of moron would think that I'd "steal" a product from 20 years ago (that obviously never worked to begin with or caught on) and simply repackage it with my name? I wonder where this "motorcycle" product is that supposedly is just like RPM? Has anyone else ever seen it? I would think that someone would have a good lawsuit pending against me if that were the case!

As stated earlier Tony, this product came to fruition because I lost points on the Cuda and Challenger for using oil on my bare metal parts. I knew that I would have to preserve the parts on the Valiant differently if I was to make up those missed points for the OE judging. I spent MONTHS formulating and engineering ingredients that would preserve bare metal AND be dry to the touch. I did all of this to facilitate a specific need and not with the intent to sell a product. It was the other guys on the Valiant Team that suggested I market it to the Restoration Industry. Every ingredient used is a component specially formulated to make up our PATENTED new product RPM. No other "rust prevention" products were used to inspire or copy RPM from!! It is a completely new concept/process that prevents rust on metal parts!! Pictured below is just ONE of the many raw materials used to manufacture RPM. They are custom made for ECS in 5 gallon metal containers. I opened one to show how it is shipped to our facility in bulk. (RPM obtains its beautiful green/gray color once the other ingredients are blended together.) Cheers to the CRETIN who said we copied someone else's product.......








ok...I've seen the other paste coating(s) and they have been around for a long time but how does yours compare as far as longevity? From what I've read about the "others", you have to go back every so often and do some touch up.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360268668881&viewitem=

I know it says Calyx is for exhaust manifolds but it works on other parts too.
Posted By: cuda-sweden

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/05/11 08:30 PM

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Can RPM be shipped across ther Border to Canada ?


Ron


and can it be shipped to sweden? and will you do international shipping?if you do please pm me.thanks
Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/05/11 08:57 PM

Just put the engine together. would just running the car up to temperature be ok to apply it to the aluminum intake?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/06/11 03:13 AM

Well I received my RPM this week and like an excited kid on Christmas morning went right into applying it to various test items, I will be putting the parts through the ringer to seek it's limits. I followed the directions to the letter and it went on just as described, very easy and it took very little product to get good coverage. I have high hopes for this new product, it looks very promising for a multitude of applications I have in mind.

Posted By: Moneypit6

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/06/11 02:58 PM

I bought some a little while back. I've used it on a few parts on a Roadrunner I'm working on. My only concern with it is that it will turn back into a liquid state when it's heated to about 120 degrees. Basically, same as when you applied it. As it's a very thin coating it still works fine, but I would think that dirt and grime would have a much easier time clinging to something like that. I put it on parts away from heat for that reason Maybe it doesn't make a difference.
Posted By: Larry_Dart_360

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/07/11 02:16 AM

Can this product be shipped to Canada? Larry
Posted By: OneOfMany

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/07/11 04:33 PM

I phoned them yesterday from Winnipeg, and they are sending me a container for $12 shipping via USPS. All good.

Grant
Posted By: DusterKrazy

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/07/11 07:05 PM

How do you apply it? brush or??
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 06/07/11 08:14 PM

Apply with a brush (they even provide the brush!). It's EASY to use.
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/06/12 04:47 PM

Anymore feedback from actual use of RPM?
Posted By: Barnstorm

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/07/12 03:29 AM

does it come in a spray can or can it sprayed?
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/10/12 08:47 AM

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does it come in a spray can or can it sprayed


I don`t see how because it seems to be more like a wax and it melts when it gets to certain temperature.
Posted By: NV69B7RR

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/10/12 04:00 PM

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Anymore feedback from actual use of RPM?




https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post7006359

Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 03/10/12 04:29 PM

Dave--is an MSDS available for this?
Posted By: Runner1

Re: RUST PREVENTION MAGIC - 09/06/18 01:30 AM

This product is absolute garbage! Cleaned and removed all rust, applied RPM, looks nice until Moisture attacks RPM and begins to rust
Do not buy this product!
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