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302 heads

Posted By: asesino

302 heads - 03/13/11 02:00 AM

Hi, I wonder how good are the heads 302 (4323302) and I put some on my 318 and I have heard positive and negative comments, I would like to know the fifferences between 302 and 308 (which are better) as they relate to burn fast as i was researching and a page read that thanks
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 02:07 AM

From what I know ... the 302 head is the best MPG head ... but not much on HP.
Posted By: asesino

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 02:14 AM

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From what I know ... the 302 head is the best MPG head ... but not much on HP.



What it means with MPG????
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 02:21 AM

NOT sure what you are asking ??...??

It is a fast burn head .. like you said ....also great for A/F mixing(swirl) ... but THUS it is not a higher rpm good-flowing head.

There are some well-versed A engine guys on here that can maybe give you more detailed info on them.
Posted By: mopars_1

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 02:22 AM

302 heads are a good, cheap way to get a little more hp and they are closed chambered which is a good way to bump compression. The 308 head is the same head but had bigger valves. these were used on the 360's. these heads are good performers with mild porting.
Posted By: asesino

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 02:34 AM

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NOT sure what you are asking ??...??

It is a fast burn head .. like you said ....also great for A/F mixing(swirl) ... but THUS it is not a higher rpm good-flowing head.

There are some well-versed A engine guys on here that can maybe give you more detailed info on them.




sorry bro, i meant to your answer to MPG, i don't have familiarized with this term, what it means?
thanks
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 02:49 AM

miles per gallon. I have a set but haven't done anything w them yet. You have a closed chamber which'll give you more CR plus quench if you build for it (I would & definitely on a mileage 318 build). Did a little reading on them & bowl hog (forgot the angle) and going from the 1.78 to a 1.88 valve was recommended & mild porting/deburring is always beneficial
Posted By: asesino

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 02:52 AM

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302 heads are a good, cheap way to get a little more hp and they are closed chambered which is a good way to bump compression. The 308 head is the same head but had bigger valves. these were used on the 360's. these heads are good performers with mild porting.



Then, a 360 with 308 heads and hypereutectic pistons to increase the compretion its better,, well i think ,Don't???
Posted By: asesino

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 02:57 AM

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miles per gallon. I have a set but haven't done anything w them yet. You have a closed chamber which'll give you more CR plus quench if you build for it (I would & definitely on a mileage 318 build). Did a little reading on them & bowl hog (forgot the angle) and going from the 1.78 to a 1.88 valve was recommended & mild porting/deburring is always beneficial



hahaha , thanks i understand now, well i must convert milles to km, thanks
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 03:07 AM

multiply miles by 1.609344
Posted By: GO_Fish

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 03:15 AM

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302 heads are a good, cheap way to get a little more hp and they are closed chambered which is a good way to bump compression. The 308 head is the same head but had bigger valves. these were used on the 360's. these heads are good performers with mild porting.




The 308 head is not the same as the 302 with bigger valves.

As said, the 302 is a closed chamber head, that will give you an easy compression boost on a 318.

The 308 is an OPEN chamber head, just like any other 360 head. It is the best flowing iron head until the 1992 Magnums came into production. The main improvement over the earlier 360 heads is the exhaust port design. Downside, is that installing the 308 (or any 360 head) is going to drop your already low 318 compression even lower.

For a low budget, mild build, go with the 302's. If you have money to mill the deck, upgrade pistons, then go with the 308's. The 308's are typically much harder to find than the 302's.
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 03:15 AM

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302 heads are a good, cheap way to get a little more hp and they are closed chambered which is a good way to bump compression. The 308 head is the same head but had bigger valves. these were used on the 360's. these heads are good performers with mild porting.




#08 heads are most definately NOT the same as 302's with larger valves, not even close. 308's are 360 type heads with all that entails, not 318 heads with bigger valves.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 03:18 AM

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The 308 head is not the same as the 302 with bigger valves.

As said, the 302 is a closed chamber head, that will give you an easy compression boost on a 318.

The 308 is an OPEN chamber head, just like any other 360 head. It is the best flowing iron head until the 1992 Magnums came into production. The main improvement over the earlier 360 heads is the exhaust port design. Downside, is that installing the 308 (or any 360 head) is going to drop your already low 318 compression even lower.

For a low budget, mild build, go with the 302's. If you have money to mill the deck, upgrade pistons, then go with the 308's. The 308's are typically much harder to find than the 302's.


What Fish said
Posted By: MarkZ

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 07:23 AM

http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/smallblock/23.html

When I was first getting into the hobby, a lot of the articles in the tech archive here hastened my learning. Especially this one pertaining to small block cylinder heads.
Posted By: asesino

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 10:57 PM

thanks for all your answers, and betwen the 308 and magnum heads. which is best??
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 10:58 PM

magnum
Posted By: asesino

Re: 302 heads - 03/13/11 11:21 PM

what kind of camshaft have a 69 340 ,because i want put one or similar in a 360 w magnum heads and hypereutectic pistons,,, how so good it is??
Posted By: patrick

Re: 302 heads - 03/14/11 01:34 PM

the 308's are essentially a smog 360 head with a magnum exhaust port. the bigger pushrod pinch needed for the roller lifter's poorer pushrod angle induced some swirl into the ports.

the 302 is a closed heart shaped chamber, small valve 318 head. good for compression, but it flows as poor as any 318 head. max ported with bigger valves, they flow about the same as OOTB magnums.

magnums outflow any stock head save the X's, which they about match on the intake side, but outflow on the exhaust. with a smaller port (more velocity, which means more torque). they also have a nice small closed chamber with dual quench pads.
Posted By: asesino

Re: 302 heads - 03/14/11 08:19 PM

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the 308's are essentially a smog 360 head with a magnum exhaust port. the bigger pushrod pinch needed for the roller lifter's poorer pushrod angle induced some swirl into the ports.

the 302 is a closed heart shaped chamber, small valve 318 head. good for compression, but it flows as poor as any 318 head. max ported with bigger valves, they flow about the same as OOTB magnums.

magnums outflow any stock head save the X's, which they about match on the intake side, but outflow on the exhaust. with a smaller port (more velocity, which means more torque). they also have a nice small closed chamber with dual quench pads.




Ok, then if i work the 302 heads almost the edge works like a magnum!!!????
Posted By: Fury Fan

Re: 302 heads - 03/14/11 09:47 PM

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Hi, I wonder how good are the heads 302 (4323302) and I put some on my 318 and I have heard positive and negative comments, I would like to know the fifferences between 302 and 308 (which are better) as they relate to burn fast as i was researching and a page read that thanks



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what kind of camshaft have a 69 340 ,because i want put one or similar in a 360 w magnum heads and hypereutectic pistons,,, how so good it is??




Asesino -
What are you building, a 318 or a 360? Do you want fuel economy or HP? Magnum heads or LA heads? (there are a bunch of parts you need to change for that conversion)

Until you specify, the answers you get may not be suitable for your goal. (a 'just build a 408' response is destined to happen soon )
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 302 heads - 03/15/11 01:04 AM

Just build a 408

Seriously though a 302 head can be made to flow at least 220 and 163 with 1.88 1.60 valves. I have a set that has been CNC ported and that is what they flow at .500.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 302 heads - 03/15/11 02:39 AM

Dave would you have any advice/tips for home porting a set? 1.88/1.60 on the valves right?
Posted By: patrick

Re: 302 heads - 03/15/11 03:08 PM

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Just build a 408

Seriously though a 302 head can be made to flow at least 220 and 163 with 1.88 1.60 valves. I have a set that has been CNC ported and that is what they flow at .500.




wow, that's 18CFM better than RyanJ got on the exhaust port of a maxed out 302 IIRC.

so for all that porting, they flow about the same as stock mags, or less than the LA intake pattern enginequest 318B's you can buy new from hughes engines assembled for $725/pr

Hughes Iron Ram heads

as cheap as these are, I can't see spending the money on building used LA heads if they need new valves.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 302 heads - 03/15/11 03:32 PM

Sorry guys, I did not port them myself, I have no CNC machine, I just got a screamin deal on them or else I was going to get a set of the EQ or RHS magnum style heads, I even have some nice 1.7 roller rockers for the magnums but I got thease cheap enough to run them and save the rockers for somethin else. They look like miniture W2 ports. They were done for a high end super stock engine so port volumes are still original 302 head size, much smaller than a magnum.
Posted By: mopars_1

Re: 302 heads - 03/15/11 11:08 PM

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302 heads are a good, cheap way to get a little more hp and they are closed chambered which is a good way to bump compression. The 308 head is the same head but had bigger valves. these were used on the 360's. these heads are good performers with mild porting.




The 308 head is not the same as the 302 with bigger valves.

As said, the 302 is a closed chamber head, that will give you an easy compression boost on a 318.

The 308 is an OPEN chamber head, just like any other 360 head. It is the best flowing iron head until the 1992 Magnums came into production. The main improvement over the earlier 360 heads is the exhaust port design. Downside, is that installing the 308 (or any 360 head) is going to drop your already low 318 compression even lower.

For a low budget, mild build, go with the 302's. If you have money to mill the deck, upgrade pistons, then go with the 308's. The 308's are typically much harder to find than the 302's.




I learned something new then I was misinformed..
Posted By: GO_Fish

Re: 302 heads - 03/16/11 12:22 AM

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I learned something new then




That's the great thing about Moparts! I think most of us learn stuff here.
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