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What size h-pipe?

Posted By: 69L78Nova

What size h-pipe? - 03/11/11 03:13 PM

Going to go ahead and put an h-pipe on my Fury. It's an LA 360, Magnum heads and 1.6 rockers, XE256 cam, dual plane M1, Hooker comp headers, 2.5" duals out to the bumper with stock style turndowns, and 2 chamber 40 series Flowmasters. My problem is how loud and poppy the exhaust is under part throttle and wide open acceleration since I did the head swap. I need to know what size h-pipe to put in. I always thought the crossover pipe should be a little smaller than the exhaust system. If that's the case, would 2.25" be ok? I'm just trying to quiet it down and clean it up a little bit. I hope the 2.5" exhaust isn't too big for this setup. Any opinions?
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/11/11 05:13 PM

It's your mufflers , I don't think an H is going to do much for you ., X might be a better way to go .
Posted By: 69L78Nova

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/11/11 06:08 PM

I just don't know about that. I had Dynomax hemi turbos on it after the head swap, and they were raspy too....whereas they weren't with the stock heads. I have been told to try an h-pipe to even out the exhaust pulses in the pipes. All I need to know is what size pipe to use with a 2.5" exhaust system.
Posted By: Dodgem

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/11/11 06:21 PM

2" is enough but 2 I like 2 1/2 or 3" depending on the system.
Will make more power and quiet it down at the same time!

Have had friends add it later and were amazed at the results!
Posted By: 69L78Nova

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/11/11 07:10 PM

Thank you
Posted By: Dodgem

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/11/11 08:19 PM

Posted By: CHRGR69

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/11/11 08:28 PM

2.5! Just did the same to my Cuda
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/11/11 11:38 PM

The exhaust pipe guys are not scientists. Sometimes they are just hourly dudes doing what they are told. The theory of the advantages of a crossover pipe is solid, but the sizing isnt. The principle is that a shared balance between two isolated pipes helps tone down the high frequencies and fill in the low ones. Its a sort of 'noise calcellation" effect. The dispute comes from your question, and this is where it gets muddy. MANY muffler monkeys know nothing about WHY something works, but some do. I knew of an old timer I met at the Reno Swap Meet at the Hot August Nights show in 2006. He was at a booth selling mufflers and X pipes, all that stuff. It was his contention that the X pipe is superior for power if the sizing matches the rest of the system.He said that in the case of a simple lateral crossover tube, size isnt as critical as you think because the gain in this instance isnt to increase FLOW, but to share SOUND waves. The theory sounded reasonable to me. He wasnt some wild haired, crazy eyed freak after all. Also, ONE 90 degree bend has the equivalent of 25 feet of additional pipe.
Posted By: can.al

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/12/11 01:42 AM

Larry Sheppard(Mopar performance Engineer) says h should be slightly smaller diameter than exhaust,place 12" after collectors.
will quieten exhaust and make no additional power.
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/12/11 01:46 AM

He IS a guru. I would take his advice over "Spike" the tattoo'd tailpipe tweeker.
Posted By: 69L78Nova

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/12/11 03:39 AM

Excellent info! Thanks everybody. I'll go with the 2.25" pipe
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/12/11 09:36 PM

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He IS a guru. I would take his advice over "Spike" the tattoo'd tailpipe tweeker.




Ha, he also states that all big block mopar blocks cast after 73 are THIN WALL and should not be bored more than .030 ... ...
Posted By: HYPER8oSoNic

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/13/11 06:30 PM

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Larry Sheppard(Mopar performance Engineer) says h should be slightly smaller diameter than exhaust,place 12" after collectors.
will quieten exhaust and make no additional power.




100% Truth!! 2.125" - 2.250" H pipe works WELL in a 2.500" system. For 3.000", try a H pipe with 2.500" - 2.750" INSIDE diameter.

Posted By: HYPER8oSoNic

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/13/11 06:34 PM



Ha, he also states that all big block mopar blocks cast after 73 are THIN WALL and should not be bored more than .030 ... ...




He's pretty much on the mark about those 74-up
motors. Walls are not as thick as the earlier models, particularly the 70' and earlier.

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/13/11 07:31 PM

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Ha, he also states that all big block mopar blocks cast after 73 are THIN WALL and should not be bored more than .030 ... ...




He's pretty much on the mark about those 74-up
motors. Walls are not as thick as the earlier models, particularly the 70' and earlier.






Sorry , that is incorrect, AndyF. did an article a number of years ago that dispelled that MYTH , the later blocks are usually thicker.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/13/11 07:42 PM

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Larry Sheppard(Mopar performance Engineer) says h should be slightly smaller diameter than exhaust,place 12" after collectors.
will quieten exhaust and make no additional power.




100% Truth!! 2.125" - 2.250" H pipe works WELL in a 2.500" system. For 3.000", try a H pipe with 2.500" - 2.750" INSIDE diameter.






And the other factor to consider is the size of the hole cut into the pipes! Its easy to cut a tiny hole (or NONE---hey, its been done more than once) into the pipes before welding in the H, takes a little more work to cut holes closer to the ID of the H.
And I agree, 1 pipe size smaller, 2.25 on 2.5, or 2.5 on 3" works just fine.
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/14/11 12:48 AM

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Ha, he also states that all big block mopar blocks cast after 73 are THIN WALL and should not be bored more than .030 ... ...




He's pretty much on the mark about those 74-up
motors. Walls are not as thick as the earlier models, particularly the 70' and earlier.






Sorry , that is incorrect, AndyF. did an article a number of years ago that dispelled that MYTH , the later blocks are usually thicker. [/quote

Either Mopar Muscle or Mopar Action did a comparison as well. They tested 383s, 400s and 440s from the mid 60s to 1978. They found that the heaviest block was from a 77 440. It weighed 234 lbs. They sonic checked each block and also found variances that were surprising. Some later blocks were thin in some areas while others of the same vintage were really thick. One thing that was evident was that the later blocks were made of a slightly softer material. Larry Shephard may have been merely "echoing" the memos from the engineering department without any personal knowledge of the cylinder blocks he spoke of. The magazine that did the testing stated that the reasoning behind the "Thin wall" moniker may have had more to do with the actual material hardness rather than the thickness of it. They also went on to give this sage advice: always sonic test before going beyond .030 in any block.
Posted By: HYPER8oSoNic

Re: What size h-pipe? - 03/14/11 02:38 AM

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Ha, he also states that all big block mopar blocks cast after 73 are THIN WALL and should not be bored more than .030 ... ...




He's pretty much on the mark about those 74-up
motors. Walls are not as thick as the earlier models, particularly the 70' and earlier.






Sorry , that is incorrect, AndyF. did an article a number of years ago that dispelled that MYTH , the later blocks are usually thicker. [/quote

Either Mopar Muscle or Mopar Action did a comparison as well. They tested 383s, 400s and 440s from the mid 60s to 1978. They found that the heaviest block was from a 77 440. It weighed 234 lbs. They sonic checked each block and also found variances that were surprising. Some later blocks were thin in some areas while others of the same vintage were really thick. One thing that was evident was that the later blocks were made of a slightly softer material. Larry Shephard may have been merely "echoing" the memos from the engineering department without any personal knowledge of the cylinder blocks he spoke of. The magazine that did the testing stated that the reasoning behind the "Thin wall" moniker may have had more to do with the actual material hardness rather than the thickness of it. They also went on to give this sage advice: always sonic test before going beyond .030 in any block.





Sorry, don't mean to be
The material that was in the earlier blocks, was it the nickel content in the iron?

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