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sadi roller vs billet roller w/bronze and steel gear

Posted By: sublimehemi

sadi roller vs billet roller w/bronze and steel gear - 02/06/11 05:34 PM

hey guys i have decided on going roller,ok i know sadi rollers are cast does this mean you can use a stock oil pump shaft with steel gear????next question can you get a true 8620 billet roller cam with a cast gear??i want to avoid running a bronze gear altogether cause its going to be a street car..
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/06/11 05:42 PM

What is a SADI roller ???
Posted By: sublimehemi

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/06/11 06:24 PM

sadi is a cast not billet roller,the price differnce is like 25 bucks,if you dont specify this when you order a cam they will send you a sadi cast cam and not the 8620 billet....
Posted By: Stanton

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/06/11 07:10 PM

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if you dont specify this when you order a cam they will send you a sadi cast cam and not the 8620 billet



Must be some fly-by-night cam company. I'd go out on a limb by saying that all performance solid roller cams are billet. Hydraulic roller cams "might" be cast depending on the manufacturer but they sure as hell wouldn't surprise you with it!
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/06/11 07:43 PM

every solid roller I have ever gotten was billet
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/06/11 07:50 PM

"Must be some fly-by-night cam company. I'd go out on a limb by saying that all performance solid roller cams are billet. Hydraulic roller cams "might" be cast depending on the manufacturer but they sure as hell wouldn't surprise you with it!"Try CompCams,they sell plenty of solid roller grinds on cast cores. Mopars are a little harder to come by cast cores at least for BB mopars. SB's come with a cast core that's often reground,but your very limited to what you can do with that.Crane used to make a good billet core with iron drive gear,it would be a good choice if you can find one the can be ground to the needed lobe/lsa.
Posted By: quick77rt

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/06/11 08:27 PM

Ive had many old school radical roller cams based on a reed cast cores that had somthing to do with Bid Daddy, this was before the billet camshafts.

By some of the specs I dont think they were very worried about major issues, could the billet solid roller just of been part of the progression of roller cams???

All these cams were match to small roller lifters I think were crane, and I did notice a slightly small roller wheel vs a std comp roller.
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/06/11 09:34 PM

CompCams,they sell plenty of solid roller grinds on cast cores. Mopars are a little harder to come by cast cores at least for BB mopars. SB's come with a cast core that's often reground,but your very limited to what you can do with that.

not saying it hasn't happened but I have never gotten a cast solid roller from comp or anyone else but I don't doubt that they are out there.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/06/11 10:53 PM

My point was that no reputable cam company would surprise you with a cast roller ... you'd know what you were getting either from the catalog or when you ordered it.

Anyhow, to the OP's question ...

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i know sadi rollers are cast does this mean you can use a stock oil pump shaft with steel gear????



YES

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next question can you get a true 8620 billet roller cam with a cast gear??



There seem to be a few folks on here who think you can. However, I've yet to figure out how anyone could press on a gear that is smaller than the front cam journal !!! Explain that and I'll be a believer!
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/06/11 11:09 PM

I'd take a pic and send it to you,but it's in the engine and not coming out anytime soon. Find someone that has an MP +10 cam for the magnum engines,have them send it to you for your pleasure,or call Crane and see if they are making them these days. I'm not sure anyone is making a 2pc for a BB mopar.I guess that Comp is no longer reputable,in your words. I don't prefer them either.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 01:08 AM

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I guess that Comp is no longer reputable,in your words.



Nothing wrong with Comp ... -8 is cast, -9 is billet ... no surprises !!
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 01:16 AM

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I guess that Comp is no longer reputable,in your words.



Nothing wrong with Comp ... -8 is cast, -9 is billet ... no surprises !!

It's not suprising that your wrong,again. Order a PN 20-813-9 sounds like a billet core! That -9 means it is,that's what you are telling us. Wrong.It's a cast core. Again. Wow! What a suprise.
Posted By: sublimehemi

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 01:41 AM

so guys are you sayin that if i do get an sadi cam ....a stock type steel gear will work....cause i dont want to replace a bronze gear at every oil change....i am not opposed on sadi they are used all the time with success but when your spring rates are crazy and you rev the engine high with a solid roller type lifters then a billet cam is a must...also there are alot of cams that look billet or have copper look to them or they machine down the casting in between the lobes that look billet but are not...the way you can tell if there is cnc marks in between the lobes..i think...
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 02:15 AM

The cast core "should" be fine for mild hyd roller application. Call the company that you want to use and find out what they have for your application. Bullet,Cammotion,and many others that can get you on the way.
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 02:59 AM

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I guess that Comp is no longer reputable,in your words.



Nothing wrong with Comp ... -8 is cast, -9 is billet ... no surprises !!

It's not suprising that your wrong,again. Order a PN 20-813-9 sounds like a billet core! That -9 means it is,that's what you are telling us. Wrong.It's a cast core. Again. Wow! What a suprise.



my custom Comp solid roller is a billet cam and the part # is 20-000-9
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 03:04 AM

Yep. I'm not sure your point. My point is the -9 does not mean you'll get a billet cam. Comp does sell billet cores as well,just it's not safe to assume based on the -9.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 04:06 AM

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It's not suprising that your wrong,again. Order a PN 20-813-9 sounds like a billet core! That -9 means it is,that's what you are telling us. Wrong.It's a cast core. Again. Wow! What a suprise.



Hmmm ... I'm looking at the Comp catalog and not only does it say -9's are solid billet but that particular core number falls under their heading of "RACE ROLLER CAM CORES - STEEL BILLET".

Maybe you just got screwed when you bought yours at the swapmeet ... I'd have it checked if I were you, it's probably just a stock hydraulic cam that someone scratched that # into!
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 04:21 AM

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It's not suprising that your wrong,again. Order a PN 20-813-9 sounds like a billet core! That -9 means it is,that's what you are telling us. Wrong.It's a cast core. Again. Wow! What a suprise.



Hmmm ... I'm looking at the Comp catalog and not only does it say -9's are solid billet but that particular core number falls under their heading of "RACE ROLLER CAM CORES - STEEL BILLET".

Maybe you just got screwed when you bought yours at the swapmeet ... I'd have it checked if I were you, it's probably just a stock hydraulic cam that someone scratched that # into!

Wrong again! LOL Like the man said,Some people you just can't reach. Your out there Stanton.
Posted By: 602heavy

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 11:54 AM

Well , if you got a comp cam with the part# ending in -9 & it is'nt a billet core then you've been screwed over. .......maybe call comp cams & tell them the issue you had........Goldmember , did'nt you post something on speed talk regards this issue?

Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 01:01 PM

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It's not suprising that your wrong,again. Order a PN 20-813-9 sounds like a billet core! That -9 means it is,that's what you are telling us. Wrong.It's a cast core. Again. Wow! What a suprise.



Hmmm ... I'm looking at the Comp catalog and not only does it say -9's are solid billet but that particular core number falls under their heading of "RACE ROLLER CAM CORES - STEEL BILLET".

Maybe you just got screwed when you bought yours at the swapmeet ... I'd have it checked if I were you, it's probably just a stock hydraulic cam that someone scratched that # into!



this is exactly what I was told on the phone by Comp.
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 06:03 PM

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Well , if you got a comp cam with the part# ending in -9 & it is'nt a billet core then you've been screwed over. .......maybe call comp cams & tell them the issue you had........Goldmember , did'nt you post something on speed talk regards this issue?



Nope. It's not an issue to me,just trying to pass along info that may help someone down the line. If someone other than Stanton needs this info just PM me with a phone # and I'll go over it again. Many comp cams ending in -9 that are cast cores(NOT ALL),catalog is incorrect,not a big deal for the application. Just don't like to hear the garbage being spewn as fact,although it's not uncommon. Can you tell which is the -9?

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Posted By: Von

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 06:48 PM

Billet on the right?
Posted By: Stanton

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 06:55 PM

Watch the language!! This thread is about to go away!!
Posted By: 602heavy

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 07:21 PM

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Nope. It's not an issue to me,just trying to pass along info that may help someone down the line. If someone other than Stanton needs this info just PM me with a phone # and I'll go over it again. Many comp cams ending in -9 that are cast cores(NOT ALL),catalog is incorrect,not a big deal for the application. Just don't like to hear the garbage being spewn as fact,although it's not uncommon. Can you tell which is the -9?



Must of been an issue as you would'nt of posted over on speed talk , if i rememmber correctly you got no reply to you're question. ............ fact is the -9 IS a billet core , just because you got sent/sold the cast core does'nt mean we should all be aware -9s are NOT billet , the one on the left of you're picture is obviously a cast core .
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 07:51 PM

I ask about cores as I noticed comp was using cast cores with the -9 tag,yes, 4 different comp suppliers confirmed this. For that build I really wanted a 2pc core,which after working with Comp they were able to locate(although crane being done they had only a couple left) and I let them grind that cam. If I had ordered the same pn with that magical-9 through Jegs,Summit,etc I would recieve a CAST core as most running a hyd roller would be fine with that choice. For those that guessed the right was a -9 you were wrong,thats a crane billet(comp billets are -9),for those that guessed the cam on the left,you win!! Comp hyd roller cast core -9.Would you want a billet hyd roller cam and the pain of using a bronze gear on a mild build? I think several of you just missed my point completely.
Posted By: 602heavy

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 08:05 PM

You're pretty hard to please Goldmember.
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 08:11 PM

Maybe but the point,once again for those that didn't get it. -9 doesn't insure a billet core. Some say it must,it doesn't.There are hundreds and maybe thousands running around with a cast core and a -9. Got that? I made it as simple as possible.GGGEEEEZZZZZZ
Posted By: BradH

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 09:14 PM

I'm going to carefully step around the above and state exactly what I know on this subject:
1. There are no BBM / 426 Hemi billet cam cores w/ cast-iron gears pressed on available from any core source.

2. Although there have been cast cores used for performance roller cam applications for other brands, they have been given the by many engine builders because they don't hold up as well w/ the higher spring pressures that go along w/ those applications. You can do a search on cast roller cams on SpeedTalk.com to see some examples of this.

3. The only choice I have seen offered for hydraulic or solid rollers w/ a BBM or 426 Hemi is a billet steel cam that requires using the bronze distributor drive gear. I'm not thrilled about that either, but it is what it is at this time.
Posted By: 602heavy

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 09:19 PM

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so guys are you sayin that if i do get an sadi cam ....a stock type steel gear will work



If the Sadi uses a cast core then a standard distributor gear will work , some of the GM/Chevy guys use a melonized distributor gear when using steel cores , i've never seen a melonized gear for our Mopars but i could be wrong , would'nt be the first or last.

FWIW i used a bronze distributor gear on a billet roller , 800lb spring pressure over the nose , this engine was used on the street @ covered around 6K miles with no wear issues , high volume oil pump using 20/50 valvoline , rock solid ignition timing that never moved , most times it was sitting in traffic idleing.

Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 09:40 PM

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I'm going to carefully step around the above and state exactly what I know on this subject:
1. There are no BBM / 426 Hemi billet cam cores w/ cast-iron gears pressed on available from any core source.

2. Although there have been cast cores used for performance roller cam applications for other brands, they have been given the by many engine builders because they don't hold up as well w/ the higher spring pressures that go along w/ those applications. You can do a search on cast roller cams on SpeedTalk.com to see some examples of this.

3. The only choice I have seen offered for hydraulic or solid rollers w/ a BBM or 426 Hemi is a billet steel cam that requires using the bronze distributor drive gear. I'm not thrilled about that either, but it is what it is at this time.

Although I have been told(not verified!) that Ruben cams(grinds for others) has other core options. Again,I have no evidence to back this up.
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 09:43 PM

"If the Sadi uses a cast core then a standard distributor gear will work , some of the GM/Chevy guys use a melonized distributor gear when using steel cores , i've never seen a melonized gear for our Mopars."
Posted By: Stanton

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 10:56 PM

Ok, goldmember, I have no problem having an argument, being told I'm wrong or even admitting to being wrong - when I am! However, all along I've merely been quoting the Comp catalog. Your statement below CLEARLY absolves me of any error.

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catalog is incorrect



You owe me an apology. I don't think you're man enough!
Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 11:09 PM

"all along I've merely been quoting the Comp catalog." "Your statement below CLEARLY absolves me of any error." There's your problem. You believe everything you read,whether it's on the internet or in a catalog,it can easily be wrong. I'm not picking on you. If you think I owe you anything your sadly mistaken. A 4yr old with major ADHD can see that. I'll go down the street and borrow one(4 yr old ADHD kid) to confirm it if you like.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 11:27 PM

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Ok, goldmember, I have no problem having an argument, being told I'm wrong or even admitting to being wrong - when I am! However, all along I've merely been quoting the Comp catalog. Your statement below CLEARLY absolves me of any error.

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catalog is incorrect



You owe me an apology. I don't think you're man enough!



Posted By: goldmember

Re: sadi roller vs billet roller with bronze gear - 02/07/11 11:32 PM

Now you come along and make me spew a cola out of my nose. Thanks
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