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blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite

Posted By: wingedwarrior

blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 05:25 PM

I recently bought a 1970 Satellite that is in very good original condition. It looks to not have ever been modified or messed with. However It will not take a fuse in the Stop lamp/dome light holder in the fuse box. It pops it as soon as you try to put it in. I checked all of the taillights and made sure the bulbs were in correctly. I also checked the dome light area to make sure there was no bare wires anywhere. Dome light bulb is missing. Any common problem that this might be? Thanks in advance.
Posted By: Mopar_Country

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 05:29 PM

Check your grounds by the tail lights. If it's popping as soon as you put it in I would think something is grounding that shouldn't be.
Posted By: Shoozy

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 05:32 PM

Pull your dome light down and check for a dead short grounding out.
Posted By: repad

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 05:56 PM

You have a short somewhere in that circut, get yourself a wiring diagram and follow the wires in that circut with a tester until you find it.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 06:08 PM

To test for a brake light short unplug the turn signal switch.
Posted By: Yancy Derringer

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 06:32 PM

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To test for a brake light short unplug the turn signal switch.




THIS

You need to separate the wiring into major areas. The other handy plug you can disconnect is the harness plug in the left kick panel, right before the rear harness goes under the doorsill.

Another "quickie" is to disconnect the brake light switch right at the switch.

As someone else said, you need to get a good diagram. There are all kinds of tricks in this circuit, like feeding the ign switch key buzzer, if you have a map light or console, some of the dome light stuff goes there.

"Check your grounds." No, sorry, NOT a ground problem. This is a short somewhere.
Posted By: ProStDodge

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 08:03 PM

I will agree with Yancy. If you pull the driver side kick panel, there are connections for the harness to the dome light. Disconnecting this harness will help you determine where the short is that you are trying to find.
Posted By: Mopar_Country

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 08:30 PM

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"Check your grounds." No, sorry, NOT a ground problem. This is a short somewhere.




I always suggest checking grounds with electrical issues. I went on to say "If it's popping as soon as you put it in I would think something is grounding that shouldn't be" meaning a dead short.
Posted By: wingedwarrior

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 09:07 PM

Have been working on the problem today. I disconnected the rear harness..no help. Disconnected the stop light switch..no help. I then took the fuse panel out. I removed the terminal tree that held all of the extra lights ie; trunk light, dome light(pink wires) etc... did not help. I am now down to the black wire and the large red wire that supplies power. I am assuming the short might be in the black wire but it does not light up with tester. I have not disconnected the turn signal switch wiring harness yet. I am going to drop the column a little and do this next. I appreciate all of the help thus far.
Posted By: Yancy Derringer

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 09:26 PM

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........... I am now down to the black wire and the large red wire that supplies power. I am assuming the short might be in the black wire but it does not light up with tester.




If this is the very large black and red wires going to the fuse box, you are on the wrong track. The red is "hot" feeding anything that is live / key off. the black is the feed coming from ign in accessory/ run, such as wipers, heater, etc.

The dome light wiring goes a LOT of places, depending on options, as I mentioned.

Have you disconnected the lighter? Should be able to get to it, maybe, by pulling out the ashtray. Been a few years for me.

If this turns into a nightmare, there is a couple more tricks. You used to be able to buy a "short tracer." This is essentially just like a turn signal blinker, and I guess a limiting resistor. You clipped it across the fuse, and the "blinker" turned the circuit on/ off. Then you can use a "detector" like a compass which reacts to heavy magnetic fields--which will be surrounding the shorted wire.

http://www.amazon.com/Tool-Aid-SGT25100-Short-Finder/dp/B002XMUGZC
Posted By: stumpy

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 09:50 PM

You could save yourself a lot of time a wasted work if you used a wiring diagram to trace your problem because you are already way beyond where you should be looking. Here is a link to some diagrams. http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=18
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 10:16 PM


Check the bulb in the dome light to be sure somebody hasn't installed a single contact bulb.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/10/11 11:10 PM

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Check the bulb in the dome light to be sure somebody hasn't installed a single contact bulb.



You should have read his first post. No dome light bulb.
Posted By: Mopar_Country

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satellite - 01/11/11 01:28 AM

Good catch Stumpy, maybe the contacts are grounding within the socket without the bulb in there if they slipped out of the little plate in there.
Posted By: sooner440

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satelli - 01/17/11 07:48 AM

I am having the SAME exact problem with my '69 Satellite. Have you found anything yet? Kinda can't drive it without brake lights .
Posted By: sooner440

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satelli - 01/19/11 04:04 AM

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I am having the SAME exact problem with my '69 Satellite. Have you found anything yet? Kinda can't drive it without brake lights .


TTT
Posted By: SkynyrdTim

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satelli - 01/19/11 04:29 AM

Any holes in your headliner? I had a dome light problem once and it was caused by a bare wire leading to the dome light. Some rotten mouse had chewed a hole in my headliner and munched on the dome light wire casing. On my 72 RR, I think the pink wire powers the dome light, glove box light and cigarette lighter. I would start at the dome light wire and work back to the cigarette lighter.
Posted By: sooner440

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satelli - 01/19/11 06:16 AM

Ok, there is a hole in the headliner and there was a dead mouse in the car when I bought it. I'll start with removing the dome light bulb and see what the fuse does when I put it in. According to the factory wiring diagram this fuse also goes to the hazard flashers, glove box light, map light, clock, and trunk light. Guess I can narrow this down to which one is the problem one at a time by removing the bulb or unplugging the plug to each one and see what the fuse does. Can it be this simple?
Posted By: SkynyrdTim

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satelli - 01/19/11 07:04 PM

I'm sticking with the dome light wire. The pink wire is probably bare somewhere between the dome light and the glove box. It's shorting out because it's touching metal or the other wire that leads to the dome light. The yellow wire might have been chewed as well.

I solved this problem by ripping out the old headliner. I fixed the damaged wire and put in a new headliner. I'm sure you don't want to do that, but it may be hard to find the bare spot on the wire without taking the old headliner down. You could cut the wires going to the dome light and see if that works. Not recommended, but it might work and not having a dome light isn't the end of the world. Good luck.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satelli - 01/19/11 07:35 PM

You can eliminate the dome lamp wires by unplugging the 2 pin connector over the left wheel house accessed through the trunk.... White connector, yellow & pink wires...
Posted By: superwrench

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satelli - 01/19/11 09:17 PM

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You can eliminate the dome lamp wires by unplugging the 2 pin connector over the left wheel house accessed through the trunk.... White connector, yellow & pink wires...




That is how a Challenger is wired. I'm thinking the white 2 pin connector he should unplug is either behind the left kick panel or slightly above it on that hinge pillar. All the B Bodies I've taken apart have had the dome lite wiring go up the left windshield pillar and then rearward along the roof rail.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: blowing brake and dome light fuse in a 1970 Satelli - 01/19/11 09:21 PM

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You can eliminate the dome lamp wires by unplugging the 2 pin connector over the left wheel house accessed through the trunk.... White connector, yellow & pink wires...




That is how a Challenger is wired. I'm thinking the white 2 pin connector he should unplug is either behind the left kick panel or slightly above it on that hinge pillar. All the B Bodies I've taken apart have had the dome lite wiring go up the left windshield pillar and then rearward along the roof rail.





My b bodies have been projects for so long I'd need to go look... E bodies I know pretty well.....
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