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flushing the cooling system

Posted By: mickm

flushing the cooling system - 12/25/10 11:45 PM

ok, now that i know which hose is the return hose from the heater, ,

recommendations on the best way to do a good flush on the cooling system, without blowing freeze plugs and such out!
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 12:03 AM

in line tee in the heater hose and back flush thru open rad top engine not running till water is clean

drain and refill,burp and top off

Posted By: mickm

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 03:20 AM

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in line tee in the heater hose and back flush thru open rad top engine not running till water is clean

drain and refill,burp and top off






don't need to remove the thermostat or anything, that's enough to flush the block as well?
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 03:31 AM

i dont remove it,you can if you want

on my sb,I remove the 2 lower t-cover bolts,1 each side,to drain the block,put them back in and flush it

you can run the engine with a rad flush,then drain and back flush it

I drill the 1/8" hole in the stat to burb it on fill up

I flush it till it runs clean with the petcock open on rad,stop water flow,let drain,flush,drain..ect

i do this 3-4 times

last time it drains,I close petcock,add 1 1/2 gallons antifreeze,fill thru the tee till it at top of rad,the hole I drill in stat lets all the air burb on fill up

test run till up to temp shut down and let cool,check water lever to make sure its full...done

thats the way I duz it anyway

never had a problem this way

if the stat is not drilled,I run till up to temp and wait for the stat to open then fill the rest of the way from top of rad...not the tee

i turn the hose on about 1/2 way when flushing thru the tee
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 03:43 AM

Take the return line off at the manifold and w your rubber tipped air nozzle blow the coolant in that foot or 2 of heater hose in reverse thru the heater core. Use your hand to modulate the psi as water faucet psi is ~60 psi (at least in Nebraska) and heater core/rad are designed for ~15-20 max. If you think the rad is partially plugged best would be to take it off and back flush it the same or take it to a rad shop & let them boil it or even "rod it out" if it's really plugged w scale as chemical flushes are not stout enough to attack scale w much effectiveness. Rodding out can be dangerous to tubes that are old and your rad shop can further advise you. Back flushing is way less effective on the block/intake cause the passages are so much larger/unrestricted but if enough debris builds up in the bottom of the block cyl cyl cooling (hot spots that produce steam) will be affected but this requires core plug removal but is worth the effort. Dont know how far you want to go on your deal but throwing stuff out there
Posted By: therocks

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 12:59 PM

Pull the plugs in the block also.You will be suprised how much crud is there.Most times they wont drain because crud is over the holes.Rocky
Posted By: JDMopar

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 03:23 PM

My 71 Challenger was from California,and apparently hadn't had much antifreeze over it's life. The block was so full of crud I had to pull the motor, knock out all the freeze plugs and flush the block with a high pressure steam cleaner. Then that turned into a new cam,LD4B intake,headers, new exhaust,bang screech 727,8 3/4 in place of the 7 1/4,etc,etc!
Posted By: jbc426

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 05:01 PM

I don't have a scanner, but the 1970 Field Service Manual describes a procedure using low pressure compressed air much like Rapid Robert recommends. If you can get the original freeze plugs out, it is a safe bet they needed to be replaced with fresh ones anyway.

The process to remove an replace them all on a big block car without the engine out is not for the faint of heart. Digging around inside the block through the freeze plug holes with a hooked wire can help coax some of the inner cast passages to give up their cargo of corroded gunk.

Kelley-Moore Paints sells a product called Corro-check. It's used to stop corrosion in water-based spray equiptment, and it does! It's blue in color, cheap, is dilutable(a little goes a long way), is unhindered by heat and is an extemely long-lasting corrosion inhibitor. I use it with distilled water alone or together with anti-freeze.
Posted By: Russ H.

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 05:48 PM

Back in the day we drained the system, refilled with clean water and added 5 or 6 tablespoons of crystal drano, Ran it for 10 or 15 minutes then drained again. You would be amazed at what came out.

Russ
Posted By: mickm

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 06:29 PM

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Back in the day we drained the system, refilled with clean water and added 5 or 6 tablespoons of crystal drano, Ran it for 10 or 15 minutes then drained again. You would be amazed at what came out.

Russ




that sounds interesting, funny how things can be used, when you stop to think about it...
Posted By: mickm

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 06:30 PM

i'll probably start with the tee method in the line. i know i don't want to go for pulling the freeze plugs and all, i think i would just pull the engine and do some other stuff at that point as well.

thanks for all the responses.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 06:39 PM

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5 or 6 tablespoons of crystal drano,



that sounds interesting, funny how things can be used, when you stop to think about it...


X2 & a rad man stated that even muriatic acid will not touch some deposits. Be interesting to see what Drano would do (it is wicked & the EPA is steadily forcing shops (of any kind) to use less caustic soups). I'd wanna put some old hoses back on though
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 06:42 PM

These are some old Preston flush fittings, It always worked decent for me. Uses a garden hose running while the engine runs and pushes all the old stuff out the top of the radiator. Drain the water and add new anti freeze.
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 06:42 PM

seen my buddy do that with draino,I think he used the liqud kind

few days later he had to replace a hoses,one every day till they were all changed

the the wp went and started leaking in the weep hole

IMHO,it deff not good on the rubber

but then he is the type that thinks if a little is good a lot is better, he may have used to much
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/26/10 07:06 PM

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the the wp went and started leaking in the weep hole


forgot about the WP seal
Posted By: stubbs300

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/27/10 07:13 PM

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Back in the day we drained the system, refilled with clean water and added 5 or 6 tablespoons of crystal drano, Ran it for 10 or 15 minutes then drained again. You would be amazed at what came out.

Russ



I have done that with either muratic acid or CLR. When I bought my van it was really crustified on the inside of both block and rad. I drained the system and filled with H2O and some acid [about 1 cups worth] and drove around, flushed and back flushed it, then repeated the process 3 more times till I was happy with it. Sometimes you have to do it more than once depending on how well the system was maintained to be happy with the results.
Posted By: 440child

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/27/10 10:22 PM

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Back in the day we drained the system, refilled with clean water and added 5 or 6 tablespoons of crystal drano, Ran it for 10 or 15 minutes then drained again. You would be amazed at what came out.

Russ





That won't hurt the radiator or heater core? I've heard that white vinegar was a good flush agent, anybody ever tried that?
Posted By: Pauls69

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/28/10 12:55 AM

i flushed out my system, once. a few days later, my waterpump's bearing seized. an old-timer across the street told me that when you aggressively flush out your cooling system, you also stir up some sediment/debris that can jack up your waterpump, which would seem to make sense. i just drain the radiator & refill every 2 years & have never had a problem. my $0.0002.
Posted By: mickm

Re: flushing the cooling system - 12/28/10 02:27 AM

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i flushed out my system, once. a few days later, my waterpump's bearing seized. an old-timer across the street told me that when you aggressively flush out your cooling system, you also stir up some sediment/debris that can jack up your waterpump, which would seem to make sense. i just drain the radiator & refill every 2 years & have never had a problem. my $0.0002.




i think that's a good idea. $15 for antifreeze and no worries.

i just flushed it out quite easily, according to bob at glen-ray. put the tee in the line on the return line from the heater hose, and took off the lower radiator hose. don't need to run the engine, just turn the water on. watched the old antifreeze and gunk come out, and after a bit, nice clean water.

probably isn't the most efficient flush, but good enough!
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