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stock rockers on my 383

Posted By: copper67440

stock rockers on my 383 - 10/25/10 08:01 PM

Should there be any movement of the rockers on the shaft at all. I have some on a couple and was wondering if it is normal.
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/25/10 08:07 PM

If the engine is shut off, yes, normal. Without oil pressure to pump up the hydraulic lifters they bleed down and you have slack in the system.
Posted By: MoparforLife

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/25/10 08:07 PM

How do you mean. Side to side or up and down on the valve. After shut down the lifters may bleed down some and you will have a little play. Seems that there is usually some side to side on stock rockers. If they aren't noisy and you aren't upgrading anything leave well enough alone.
Posted By: HYPER8oSoNic

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/26/10 12:36 PM

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Should there be any movement of the rockers on the shaft at all. I have some on a couple and was wondering if it is normal.




Check for wear on the underside of the shaft/rocker arm trunnion. Any abnormal wear, replace the assemblies. Slight play is normal.

Posted By: Dean_Kuzluzski

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/26/10 02:14 PM

If there is no obvious wear at the fulcrum of the rocker to shaft area they're good.

EVERY old Mopar big block I've torn down had some play, in the fulcrum, that was taken out when the oil pressure went up. Not an area of HIGH tolerances held when manufactured as far as I'm concerned. Or maybe it didn't matter when they knew the lifters would compensate.

If you have a replacement PERFORMANCE cam it may have a "smaller base circle" of which is known to cause more valvetrain noise. The fix is longer pushrods or adj. valvetrain.
Posted By: HYPER8oSoNic

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/30/10 03:48 AM

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If there is no obvious wear at the fulcrum of the rocker to shaft area they're good.

EVERY old Mopar big block I've torn down had some play, in the fulcrum, that was taken out when the oil pressure went up. Not an area of HIGH tolerances held when manufactured as far as I'm concerned. Or maybe it didn't matter when they knew the lifters would compensate.

If you have a replacement PERFORMANCE cam it may have a "smaller base circle" of which is known to cause more valvetrain noise. The fix is longer pushrods or adj. valvetrain.




on the longer pushrods or adjustable
rocker setup with the "smaller base" cams. But
wouldn't a simpler deal in conjunction with longer
pushrods be, the "six-pack" rocker arms, shafts and hardware? Especially, if you have a complete
LOW or NO mileage set just laying around collecting dust! After all, they are the "service replacement" for the standard stamped-steel rocker factory rocker arms.

Posted By: Dean_Kuzluzski

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/30/10 06:53 PM

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But
wouldn't a simpler deal in conjunction with longer
pushrods be, the "six-pack" rocker arms, shafts and hardware? Especially, if you have a complete
LOW or NO mileage set just laying around collecting dust! After all, they are the "service replacement" for the standard stamped-steel rocker factory rocker arms.






I've seen word on this site that those replacement rockers are no beefier than the regular production items.

But, your advice has merit pending ones budget and valvespring tension. I've gotten away with the regular production pieces with a few failures. Fortunately, the pushrod either punches through the rocker or the pushrod just fell to the side. Either way, the lifters never left their bores. And this was with the 933 valvesprings.
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/30/10 07:09 PM

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I've seen word on this site that those replacement rockers are no beefier than the regular production items.




From what I've read on here, it sounds more like the mopar HD rocers are the same ones that cam on late big blocks as in mid-late 70's. Sounds like the earlier ones did come with a bit flimsier rocers.
Posted By: rbstroker

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/31/10 12:11 PM

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If there is no obvious wear at the fulcrum of the rocker to shaft area they're good.

EVERY old Mopar big block I've torn down had some play, in the fulcrum, that was taken out when the oil pressure went up. Not an area of HIGH tolerances held when manufactured as far as I'm concerned. Or maybe it didn't matter when they knew the lifters would compensate.

If you have a replacement PERFORMANCE cam it may have a "smaller base circle" of which is known to cause more valvetrain noise. The fix is longer pushrods or adj. valvetrain.




I have a set of stock ductile iron adjustable rocker arms for a big block. Do I need different rocker shafts or can I use the original hydraulic rocker shafts that were for the stamped steel rocker arms?
Posted By: Dean_Kuzluzski

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/31/10 05:58 PM

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I have a set of stock ductile iron adjustable rocker arms for a big block. Do I need different rocker shafts or can I use the original hydraulic rocker shafts that were for the stamped steel rocker arms?




I hate answer a question with a question.............

but it depends on the valvesprings pressures and cam lift you're going to use. Just my opinion, but if it's .510 or less you can probably get away with the stock rocker rails. Not sure, but that's probably what the old late 50's Long Ram and early 60's Max Wedge had.
Posted By: Junky

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/31/10 06:30 PM

FWIW, Hughes Engines offers the Whiplash cam with .518" lift. It's designed for stock heads. That's stock heads with stock valve train. That implies that the stamped steel rockers are good up to .518" lift.
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/31/10 06:58 PM

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If there is no obvious wear at the fulcrum of the rocker to shaft area they're good.

EVERY old Mopar big block I've torn down had some play, in the fulcrum, that was taken out when the oil pressure went up. Not an area of HIGH tolerances held when manufactured as far as I'm concerned. Or maybe it didn't matter when they knew the lifters would compensate.

If you have a replacement PERFORMANCE cam it may have a "smaller base circle" of which is known to cause more valvetrain noise. The fix is longer pushrods or adj. valvetrain.




I have a set of stock ductile iron adjustable rocker arms for a big block. Do I need different rocker shafts or can I use the original hydraulic rocker shafts that were for the stamped steel rocker arms?



I ran mine for while on a set of replacement shafts from Mancini Racing.I would recommend the chromed replacement shafts at the minimum.
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Posted By: HYPER8oSoNic

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/31/10 07:35 PM

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But
wouldn't a simpler deal in conjunction with longer
pushrods be, the "six-pack" rocker arms, shafts and hardware? Especially, if you have a complete
LOW or NO mileage set just laying around collecting dust! After all, they are the "service replacement" for the standard stamped-steel rocker factory rocker arms.






I've seen word on this site that those replacement rockers are no beefier than the regular production items.

But, your advice has merit pending ones budget and valvespring tension. I've gotten away with the regular production pieces with a few failures. Fortunately, the pushrod either punches through the rocker or the pushrod just fell to the side. Either way, the lifters never left their bores. And this was with the 933 valvesprings.




100%
Dean, the MAIN area of "beef" or improvement is the pushrod socket, where the pushrod had a tendency to break through on the earlier design.
Chrysler also improved the thickness of the rails
and area of the trunnion surface. This is why these pieces are factory upgrade to the earlier versions (pre-6 pack motors). And I believe there are the matching chrome shafts to go with them. Budget allowing? It IS worth the investment, even on a "gennie" motor (moderate to high mileage). Hydraulic cams only!! But as you stated, spring tension DOES set the limit on them, before going to adjustable rockers!!

Posted By: BSB67

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 10/31/10 07:46 PM

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If there is no obvious wear at the fulcrum of the rocker to shaft area they're good.

EVERY old Mopar big block I've torn down had some play, in the fulcrum, that was taken out when the oil pressure went up. Not an area of HIGH tolerances held when manufactured as far as I'm concerned. Or maybe it didn't matter when they knew the lifters would compensate.

If you have a replacement PERFORMANCE cam it may have a "smaller base circle" of which is known to cause more valvetrain noise. The fix is longer pushrods or adj. valvetrain.




I have a set of stock ductile iron adjustable rocker arms for a big block. Do I need different rocker shafts or can I use the original hydraulic rocker shafts that were for the stamped steel rocker arms?




I've used ductile iron rockers on stock hydraulic shafts - they galled-up pretty bad
Posted By: HYPER8oSoNic

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 11/01/10 04:01 AM

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If there is no obvious wear at the fulcrum of the rocker to shaft area they're good.

EVERY old Mopar big block I've torn down had some play, in the fulcrum, that was taken out when the oil pressure went up. Not an area of HIGH tolerances held when manufactured as far as I'm concerned. Or maybe it didn't matter when they knew the lifters would compensate.

If you have a replacement PERFORMANCE cam it may have a "smaller base circle" of which is known to cause more valvetrain noise. The fix is longer pushrods or adj. valvetrain.




I have a set of stock ductile iron adjustable rocker arms for a big block. Do I need different rocker shafts or can I use the original hydraulic rocker shafts that were for the stamped steel rocker arms?




I've used ductile iron rockers on stock hydraulic shafts - they galled-up pretty bad




Use the proper shaft for those ductile iron rockers. You don't want to play around with the
valvetrain by mixing parts. Unless it is recommended to do so by the factory bulletins, DON'T switch hydraulic shafts and the solid rocker shafts around unless you CHANGE ALL the components in the valvetrain.

Posted By: rbstroker

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 11/01/10 03:08 PM

I guess that is my question. Is there a different shaft for big blocks with factory solids and the shaft for factory hydraulics?
Posted By: HYPER8oSoNic

Re: stock rockers on my 383 - 11/06/10 09:47 PM

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I guess that is my question. Is there a different shaft for big blocks with factory solids and the shaft for factory hydraulics?




I would believe so, due to how the valvetrain
is lubricated, solid lifter vs. hydraulic. There is a slight difference!! Can't mix and match.

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